FL - Markeis McGlockton shot and killed in front of family, Clearwater, July 2018

[Cryptic]

That is not the legal definition of threat. She was not threatened, and she was not attacked.

Verbal threats? Neither of those two elements are part of the legal definition of a threat. In short, a threat can exist with out verbal threats being made and wth out being attacked.

MMwas killed because he ATTACKED a man, not because he said something to him.

Attacked a man who had confronted his wife while in an angry state, using profanity and.... had one hand near his WAISTBAND.

At the end of the day, if broad rights of self defense are given to one man, then broad rights of self defense (or defense of family) must be given to both men.

If not, then the slippery slope leads to.....

Self Defense (n): People who think like I do have broad rights of self defense. Moat people who think like I do, look like I do.

Eventually, this practice is going to result in push back that is going to get people killed. Another way to get off the slope is to modify Florida's law to state one cannot provoke or incite the other party. Juries can decide what constitutes provoking or inciting.

 

[bluesneakers]

I think Zimmerman was shoved down or punched to the concrete first too. Then straddled, punched, and his head turned into a jelly

"Open wound of scalp" is not "head turned into jelly." Martin did not use deadly force against Zimmerman. Zimmerman went looking for a fight (why else did he disobey instructions to stay in his truck and not approach?) and he got one. He wanted Martin to pay and he got his wish. How lucky for him.

 

[bluesneakers]

He said, after he had killed a 16 year old.

He must have been so embarrassed, wanting to take some mythical gang-banger off the street only to end up having murdered an unarmed teenager.

 

[bluesneakers]

Why the days of 'stand your ground' self-defense laws may be numbered
the fatal July shooting of 28-year-old Markeis McGlockton is slowly gathering political momentum that could roll backself-defense statutes some say are little more than a racially discriminatory license to kill.

“That is the prayer and that’s what we’re fighting for,” said veteran civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump, who is representing McGlockton’s family. “If this law isn’t repealed there are going to be more people killed senselessly because people believe they have a right to shoot first and ask questions later.”
...
“‘Stand your ground’ uses a reasonable-person standard. It’s not that you were just afraid,” Baxley said. “It’s an objective standard.”

Critics argue that, even with a proper interpretation, SYG is flawed and dangerous. Unlike in a home invasion – where the initiating party is quite clear – the statutes give individuals the latitude to initiate a confrontation, and then respond with deadly force once it escalates.
....
Drejka “was the one who was responsible for creating the incident in which he used self defense”, said Allison Anderman, a managing attorney with the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Critics also point to research like a 2013 analysis from the Urban Institute which found that SYG laws seem to exacerbate racial bias in the criminal justice system. Over the period examined, shootings with a white gunman and a black victim were found justified about ten times more often than the inverse, and SYG states saw that proportion climb. The UN civil rights commission found similarly the following year.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

Good thing D was armed, or he may be dead today.

RSBM: No "may be" for MM. No "maybe" in this situation at all.

And if this isn't a great example of a case that would certainly need a professional jury, I don't know what is.

 

[Jade]

The way MM came charging out of that store and attacked without hesitation I maintain that he was already of the mind to defend their parking place selection if needed.

MM, imo, knew just exactly what was going on when he dropped his intention of purchasing snacks and rushed out of the store in attack mode.

BJ demonstrated by arguing [Jacobs said the conversation grew heated] they were not going to take any lip about parking in handicapped.

It’s unreasonable to assume a physical attack is in order over a row.


all imo

 

[Jennifer17]

The way MM came charging out of that store and attacked without hesitation I maintain that he was already of the mind to defend their parking place selection if needed.

MM, imo, knew just exactly what was going on when he dropped his intention of purchasing snacks and rushed out of the store in attack mode.

BJ demonstrated by arguing [Jacobs said the conversation grew heated] they were not going to take any lip about parking in handicapped.

It’s unreasonable to assume a physical attack is in order over a row.


all imo

He was defending his family from an armed man yelling at them, not the parking space.

 

[Jim G]

He was defending his family from an armed man yelling at them, not the parking space.

Very sexist and misogynistic statement. It implies
a woman is not responsible or independent enough
to handle a disagreement or dispute with someone
of the opposite gender.

 

[Hraefn]

Very sexist and misogynistic statement. It implies
a woman is not responsible or independent enough
to handle a disagreement or dispute with someone
of the opposite gender.

I did not get that at all from the statement...

 

[Jade]

He was defending his family from an armed man yelling at them, not the parking space.

BJ was yelling and cursing at MD.

They were yelling about the parking space.

I don't think there is any debate that the whole thing was over a handicap parking space.

What makes you think MM knew MD was armed? If he did know that he should have called 911 instead of attacking.

It is not reasonable to immediately shove someone down unless you are already know whats going on.

Its Clearwater Florida in a busy parking lot not a lawless 3rd world country.

IMO

 

[Jennifer17]

BJ was yelling and cursing at MD.

They were yelling about the parking space.

I don't think there is any debate that the whole thing was over a handicap parking space.

What makes you think MM knew MD was armed? If he did know that he should have called 911 instead of attacking.

It is not reasonable to immediately shove someone down unless you are already know whats going on.

Its Clearwater Florida in a busy parking lot not a lawless 3rd world country.

IMO

And you don't know that he didn't know that MD was armed. He had his hand by his waistband and as it turns out, he was armed and willing to shoot, MM could have reasonably suspected he was armed.

 

[Jade]

And you don't know that he didn't know that MD was armed. He had his hand by his waistband and as it turns out, he was armed and willing to shoot, MM could have reasonably suspected he was armed.

Then he would be all the more foolish to take the matter into his own hands.

 

[Jennifer17]

Very sexist and misogynistic statement. It implies
a woman is not responsible or independent enough
to handle a disagreement or dispute with someone
of the opposite gender.

There would not be so many women killed or assaulted by men if that were the case.
You are big on the 'small older man' theory, but a woman is not weaker than a man?

 

[Jade]

BJ presents as very capable of fighting her own fights.

She was getting out of the car not fleeing in the car to protect her children.

 

[Jim G]

With only 4 seconds to react, it's hard to believe MD was motivated by anything other than self-defense. Remember, he was blindsided and had no idea what or who had hit him.

 

[cybervampira]

Twice as old and half as small as whom? M could have perceived D as a threat to his family, IMO. Especially since he was armed and confrontational and had past run ins at that exact convenience store.

Exactly. This guy is a nut job with a gun.

Kelly asked Drejka if his mom was nearby and offered to move his tanker. That’s when he says Drejka became furious.

"He flipped out on me called me every n-word, said he's going to shoot me," Kelly said. "He said he was going to kill me, and he went back to his truck, got something out of his truck and walked back up on me."

Salous says Drejka has a history of confrontations in and around his store.

"He told me I can't help it. Every time I do this I get in trouble, and I can't help it. I keep doing it," Salous said.

Kelly said Drejka called his job and left a threatening voice mail on the answering service.

MM‘s girlfriend was scared, her own words:

Jacobs, who was waiting in the vehicle with the couple’s two younger children -- an infant and a 3-year-old -- said she started feeling “scared” when she noticed how fast the argument was escalating.

“By this time a witness pulls up and everybody hears us going back and forth with one another. ... A witness goes in the store and he let the owner know that there was somebody out there messing with a woman in a car,” she said. “My man hears what’s going on, sees the guy yelling at me and I’m sitting in the car. My man is defending me and his children, so he pushes him down.

 

[cybervampira]

I just can’t.

 

[iridized]

Records show road rage, gun threats in stand your ground shooter’s past

 

[bluesneakers]

It is designed to look like a swastika, even using the same color scheme. To barter the lives of 6 million Jews to make a cheap political statement is reprehensible.

Do you not know what it means when something is under a red circle with a line through it?

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No symbol
The international prohibition sign (official name), also known as a no symbol, no sign, circle-backslash symbol, nay, interdictory circle or universal no, is a red circle with a red diagonal line through it (running from top left to bottom right), completely enclosing a pictogram to indicate something is not permitted.

HTH.

 

[bluesneakers]

Records show road rage, gun threats in stand your ground shooter’s past

From the link:
Since 2012, according to records and interviews, 47-year-old Michael Drejka has been the accused aggressor in four incidents. Investigators documented three cases in police reports.

The other was not shared with authorities at the time but involved the same handicap-reserved parking spot outside the Circle A Food Store near Clearwater and another shooting threat.

Two involved allegations of Drejka showing a gun. In another, a trooper accused him of aggressive driving and cited him after a crash when Drejka braked hard in front of a woman driving with two children.