FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #3

[CARIIS]

found the friendly fire video so people are coming out of the hole in the wall, and then the perp comes out also

starts around :16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A23fqxJEHE0#t=19.562157

animation

[video=youtube;SFJQH6c6eac]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFJQH6c6eac[/video]

 

[wendybtn]

Did anyone know when the second tower was hit what was going on and that is was guys from Saudi Arabia?

I realized it was a terrorist attack and correctly guessed what region of the world the hijackers were from. I saw their pictures on the 6 o'clock hour news.

 

[SweetT]

Interesting that he considers Afghanistan HIS COUNTRY and not the place where he was born. Kind of nullifies all of the arguments about him being an Amercan Born Citizen and all that.

True, and what happens when you have thousands with the same mind set? Not a good recipe.

 

[rsd1200]

I understand that but the law is rarely used and there's stiffer charges she could be charged with that might fit her part much better.

About Disney Springs, one of the links I posted a little while ago said they went in June to scout Disney Springs & Pulse out. I had only read about the one in April.

Oh, if there's stiffer charges, then I say throw the book at her! If my s.o. had my driving around buying AR-15s and bulk ammo, scouting out a gay bar 2 hours from our home, ranting like a maniac, I'd definitely be seeking out some sort of assistance when I could get time alone. No ifs, ands, or buts. I realize their marriage may have been very different, based on their religious beliefs, than many other folk's marriage, but, we can't give people a pass for that. I understand patriarchal religions but we're talking the slaughter of 49 people and lifelong ramifications to so many others. It's just so sad. If she knew, and she's sad she did, then they should give her the fullest punishment.

 

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[SophieRose]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/politics/noor-zahi-salman-omar-mateen.html?_r=0

In Northern California, neighbors of Ms. Salman’s family gave a similar account of Mr. Mateen’s controlling ways.

Ms. Salman’s mother, Ekbal Zahi Salman, had complained to a neighbor that Ms. Salman, her eldest daughter, wanted to come home to visit her parents and younger sisters, but that Mr. Mateen had forbidden her. Only once did he allow her to return to her family home in Rodeo, a San Francisco suburb, and that was a few years ago when her father was dying, neighbors said.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

"Federal prosecutors have convened a grand jury to investigate the wife of the Orlando nightclub shooter, seeking to charge her as an accessory to 49 counts of murder and 53 counts of attempted murder as well as with failure to notify law enforcement about the pending terrorist attack and lying to federal agents, a federal law enforcement source confirmed Tuesday to FoxNews.com.

FBI agents have interviewed Omar Mateen's wife, Noor Salman, in the days since Sunday's massacre that killed 49 and wounded 53 more.

A federal law enforcement source additionally told Fox News that Salman knew of her husband's deadly plans and did nothing to stop him.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...visits-to-nightclub-attacked-reports-say.html

I hope they make the right decision and is charged and sentenced to the fullest extent of the law. Doing nothing is inexcusable.

How is this case being covered in the media in the U.S? Has there been much criticism of the FBI?

OT: gregjrichards, thank you so much for also being a supporter of banning the Yulin Dog and Cat eating Festival. I am also a big opponent. :loveyou:

 

[CARIIS]

potent


[video=youtube;SEV4pgksLDs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEV4pgksLDs[/video]

 

[Magdalyn]

Muslim leaders said it was unusual for Mateen to have made two visits to Saudi Arabia in consecutive years -- the first when he was just 24.

"It's not cheap to do so and people that young usually don't go twice,” said Adnan Khan, former leader of the Council of Pakistan-American Affairs. “And especially considering he appeared not to have come from a staunchly religious background."

"The fact that Mateen made two of those would suggest that he felt he had many sins needing rectifying and/or he was not engaged solely in religious activity but meeting with someone in Saudi Arabia," Furnish said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...udi-arabia-raise-suspicions.html?intcmp=hpbt1

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/w...-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?_r=0

These people are not like us. They don't want to be. Their lifestyle is totally unknown to us.
Disgusting.

It is incomprehensible to me to know many of these middle eastern pedophiles are the very ones who believes homosexuals deserved to be murdered. Yet this goes on everyday and no one stops them. They are the ones who should burn in hell and are the epitome of evil.

It is also unbelievable that anyone in our military would be told to look the other way as they see children raped/beaten before their very eyes. What about courage, honor? How do they expect them to serve honorably but allow this to happen? Have we become so politically correct it now covers heinous cover ups for pedophile sex crimes which are diminished as if the child victims mean nothing? To expect our military to say nothing or do nothing is morally corrupt itself and anyone demanding they look the other way to such brutalization is also morally flawed/decayed.

Instead of being discharged, anyone who stops a rape/beating of an innocent victim from happening should be given a medal of honor instead. These Commanders from these middle eastern countries are allowed to do whatever they want to and to whom they want to. Yet our military sheds blood, guts, and tears trying to bring a better life to all who have suffered under Islamic terrorists especially young innocent boys and girls.

Sometimes I truly think some in our country have gone mad where terrible wrongs are seen as right and right is seen as wrong. How in the hell did we get this far down in the cesspool?

I am so glad due to the outcry of the American people's total support of Sgt. Charles Martland the Army backed off from ousting him. Anyone with an ounce of morals and decency would have done the same thing.

Charles Martland had picked up the support of several people, including Rep. Duncan Hunter. He also happens to be a former Marine and was in both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. He feels like Martland now has a future in the Army. After the decision about Martland came down, Hunter shared his thoughts:

“This is the absolute right decision and I commend the Army for showing true leadership. Charles did what anyone in a similar situation should do, he stood up for a defenseless child. That should never put his career in jeopardy.”

I hope now this is all out in the open more and more of our military will not be afraid to do what is just and right for the abused children.

http://americanactionnews.com/artic...-to-public-pressure-to-reinstate-sgt-martland

 

[SophieRose]

A poster asked earlier how the media got into Mateen's apartment.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/n...vestigating-break-in-at-orlando-shoote/nrfsB/

The public got a look into the Fort Pierce home of Mateen, the mastermind of the worst mass killing in the nation’s history, because of a break-in on Monday morning, according to Fort Pierce police.

Federal law officials had searched the apartment and left the scene by Sunday night. When reporters arrived early Monday morning, the back door was open

 

[Magdalyn]

A poster asked earlier how the media got into Mateen's apartment.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/n...vestigating-break-in-at-orlando-shoote/nrfsB/

The public got a look into the Fort Pierce home of Mateen, the mastermind of the worst mass killing in the nation’s history, because of a break-in on Monday morning, according to Fort Pierce police.

Federal law officials had searched the apartment and left the scene by Sunday night. When reporters arrived early Monday morning, the back door was open

Uh-huh. It was just standing ajar. :waiting:

 

[barcode]

Am I accusing NO, am I implying.... yes have no doubts that media broke in in a rush for a story.

 

[Everyday Grace]

Pledging allegience to ISIS can in fact get one's citizenship revoked. The courts already decided that someone who fights with, or pledges allegience too, an enemy state during wartime has "chosen to relinquish their citizenship".

Now that ISIS is losing the war Western ISIS recruits are beginning to plead for help to return "home" to their Western birth countries. One American born fighter that went over there a few months ago is already on his way back after surrendering to Kurdish forces (they should have pulled his US citizenship and let him rot there, let the locals deal with him).

http://bmkllp.com/newsletters/immigration/loss-of-citizenship-for-u-s-born-citizens/

True dat, but due process must still occur.

http://bmkllp.com/newsletters/immigration/loss-of-citizenship-for-u-s-born-citizens/

Belief in a religion (repugnant to others, or not), is not an expatriative act.

If one's religious beliefs motivates one to commit a potentially expatriative act, it is the specific action of that individual, not their choice of religion, that is the offense.

No legal basis exists to strip citizenship from anyone based solely upon the religion they choose to believe in.

That's all I'm sayin'.

Agree to disagree with anyone on whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.

God bless the First Amendment.

 

[CARIIS]

The gun ---it folds in half

Some may not to watch the commericial for it - kinda repulsive

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/7iuA/sig-sauer-mcx-new-era

 

[gregjrichards]

OT: gregjrichards, thank you so much for also being a supporter of banning the Yulin Dog and Cat eating Festival. I am also a big opponent. :loveyou:

Off Topic - Many thanks for supporting this important cause I am very upset and angry about it starting again next week. The Yulin "festival" needs to be eradicated ASAP.

 

[LonghornSpeakEasy]

The gun ---it folds in half

Some may not to watch the commericial for it - kinda repulsive

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/7iuA/sig-sauer-mcx-new-era

Wish I had taken your advice Cariis. I can't describe how watching that commercial made me feel...nauseous, angry, and sorrowful all rolled together! I don't know whether to throw up, scream, or cry!

 

[CARIIS]

MSNBC

He bought the guns in the previous 12 days before the murders...

 

[Hatfield]

I know. I feel for that poor child.

Catching up. I know. The poor child growing up with this knowledge of what his father did is horrible to think about.

Did anyone see the interview on CNN last night where Don Lemon interviewed the father.

JMO
IMO the father came across way too casual about what his son did. He was not very emotional at all about it and just way too casual and matter of fact about everything. He did not come across as credible to me with his answers. I felt he was just trying to cover his butt.

I did not believe him in some of the responses and I think the father was very sly with his responses.

Don did a good job in trying to get some information from him. The most amazing thing to me was how non emotional and casual he was.

It also amazes me he did a televised interview in the first place which kind of proves how non emotional he is. A lot of people would have been too upset if their son or daughter did such a thing and they would not want to grant a televised interview so soon after the murderous rampage. But for him he had no problem with it.

 

[barcode]

MSNBC

He bought the guns in the previous 12 days before the murders...

Radical Islam.....If OM was really radical, one would think he would have made a gun purchase closer to his travels to Saudi Arabia say by two to three years ago.