FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

[katydid23]

"It is IMO, so congruent that in the end he wanted to go "out" , almost delusional -as a famed terrorist (in and of itself a distorted claim to fame."


"IMO, the dude did not eve have the ability, consistencey, focus, to be a radicalized terrorist committing jihad................way to sick, and disturbed"
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I don't think anyone can be too sick or disturbed to be a violent radicalized jihadist. I think they go hand in hand. So YES, he had a dysfunctional family life and acted out as a child, then became erratic as a young adult. But none of that negates the fact that he slaughtered innocents in the name of ISIS. jmo :cow:

 

[nomoresorrow]

RE: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/orl...r-omar-mateen/

According to his wife, he spent thousands of dollars in the months before he murdered/wounded all of these innocent beautiful people; I'd like to know, besides the guns/ammo, what exactly he spent it on. Did he pay off any debts, put money aside for his son and wife's future? Anything that would indicate she knew exactly what he was planning all along...

 

[Magdalyn]

Bill Maher?

He's way funnier than Coulter. I'd hate to see him muzzled.

Thin lines between criticism and hate.

'Hate' is thrown around far more than is warranted.

For example, people who are angry at illegal immigrants coming/being allowed to come over our borders unauthorized, utilizing tax payer resources, and demanding insta-citizenship as their reward, are routinely labeled bigots, racists. haters.

My legal immigrant MIL,FIL, and the 12 other family members of mine that also legally immigrated here....are not white, are not racists (according to the love I'm afforded and the number of mixed race children in our family).. but get to hear and read repeatedly that their stance makes them.....bigots, racists, and haters. It's just awesome.

 

[Strangeworld]

ISIS is already using his likeness in recruiting propaganda! According to one article, they want to use this attack as a tool to reach other "losers" like Mateen.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...used-in-twisted-isis-recruiting-campaign.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...ruitment-strategy-losers-attracted-technology

The first rule of war is the reason we need to recognize and label terrorists as such. KNOW YOUR ENEMY.

Whether we like it or not, war has existed on this earth since the beginning of time and will continue to do so for as long as we live. We are currently fighting in a war against terrorism--literally and figuratively. We need to be able to recognize our enemies, regardless if they are affiliated with an established terrorist group or not. A lone wolf is still the enemy, and these attacks are happening at an alarming rate in every region of the world. If we ever hope to stand half a chance defending ourselves, we must recognize and know them.

And this is exactly why there needs to be the discussion of extremist terrorism in relation to the Orlando attack. It doesn't matter how pure his commitment was to the ISIS cause, the fact that he used their name means it can be used to encite more terror.

 

[Everyday Grace]

Imagine if one of them had but had no other connections to ISIS. I think that's what cvaldez was getting at. Is one single sentence enough to label something terrorism?

When is a mass shooting terrorism?



http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/opinions/pate-when-is-a-mass-shooting-terrorism/

Obviously this shooting is an exception and OM is a terrorist.

From that analysis:

"Terrorism" is determined by the nature of the crime, not the nature of the criminal.

While the legal definition of terrorism is a little vague, it does not involve any consideration of a person's faith, nationality or beliefs. If we are going to be able to fight terrorism with any degree of success, we need to first agree on what it is, and what it isn't.

Hoo-boy.

Anyway, under the terms for domestic terrorism, I am of the opinion that Dylann Roof is a terrorist as his hate crime appeared (to me) to be intended to intimidate a civilian population.

I have no qualms about this current cretin.

His hate crime was an act of terrorism.

 

[Paige SC]

I didn't realize a gun shop also notified LE about this guy.

My goodness. How many warnings did the FBI and LE need about this guy.
This is really upsetting.

2 FBI haul-ins for questioning and now a gun shop calls LE on the guy right around the time he is trying to buy weapons.

It makes me wonder if anyone even pursued that tip from the gun shop.

Yeah he's been terrorizing people for years, yet given a pass because he's an Arab muslim. I particularly liked the part where he threatened to kill all his friends at a cookout because his hamburger touched some pork. Any other person behaving like he did would have been kicked out of school, fired from their job, arrested for domestic violence and ostracized by the community at large. But he was SPECIAL, see.

 

[x_files]

From that analysis:



Hoo-boy.

Anyway, under the terms for domestic terrorism, I am of the opinion that Dylann Roof is a terrorist as his hate crime appeared (to me) to be intended to intimidate a civilian population.

I have no qualms about this current cretin.

His hate crime was an act of terrorism.

I agree.

 

[bluesneakers]

from that analysis:



Hoo-boy.

Anyway, under the terms for domestic terrorism, i am of the opinion that dylann roof is a terrorist as his hate crime appeared (to me) to be intended to intimidate a civilian population.

I have no qualms about this current cretin.

his hate crime was an act of terrorism.

Yes. This.

 

[Everyday Grace]

'Hate' is thrown around far more than is warranted.

Yes, and the inherent danger in illegalizing "hate speech."

One man's criticism is another man's hate.

 

[bluesneakers]

And this is exactly why there needs to be the discussion of extremist terrorism in relation to the Orlando attack. It doesn't matter how pure his commitment was to the ISIS cause, the fact that he used their name means it can be used to encite more terror.

It also matters how ISIS got to him, or how he got to them. I mean, if they can recruit Americans who freaking live IN the country... How do we stop that?

Scary

 

[x_files]

It also matters how ISIS got to him, or how he got to them. I mean, if they can recruit Americans who freaking live IN the country... How do we stop that?

Scary

Youtube, twitter , Facebook, websites, secret forums, discussion boards.
ISIL uses twitter to organize attacks and communicate. Social Media.
Like we found fellow sleuthers and like to chat online.
They are tech savvy and are organized.
http://www.popsci.com/terror-on-twitter-how-isis-is-taking-war-to-social-media
https://www.wired.com/2016/03/isis-winning-social-media-war-heres-beat/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27912569

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/isis-recruits-american-teens

 

[bluesneakers]

Youtube, twitter , Facebook, websites, secret forums, discussion boards.
ISIL uses twitter to organize attacks and communicate. Social Media.
Like we found fellow sleuthers and like to chat online.
They are tech savvy and are organized.
http://www.popsci.com/terror-on-twitter-how-isis-is-taking-war-to-social-media
https://www.wired.com/2016/03/isis-winning-social-media-war-heres-beat/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27912569

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/isis-recruits-american-teens

So you see what I'm talking about.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

Re: The FBI contacting the CEO of a gay dating site.

First of all, at this point in their investigation I would think investigating whether or not OM had international terrorist ties would be more important to the FBI than investigating whether or not he was an active member of a gay dating site. They really, really need to find out if there were more people than just OM involved in this crime and also whether he had any contacts with anyone who might be going to do something similar.

Secondly, when the FBI does contact anyone at a dating website, I doubt it will be a little ding-a-ling to the CEO. It would be more like appearing at the main offices with properly executed search warrants in order to gain immediate access to their records.

 

[HMSHood]

And this is exactly why there needs to be the discussion of extremist terrorism in relation to the Orlando attack. It doesn't matter how pure his commitment was to the ISIS cause, the fact that he used their name means it can be used to encite more terror.

I worry more terrorist attacks happening this year. There is also the 15th anniversary of 9/11.

 

[Strangeworld]

Re: The FBI contacting the CEO of a gay dating site.

First of all, at this point in their investigation I would think investigating whether or not OM had international terrorist ties would be more important to the FBI than investigating whether or not he was an active member of a gay dating site. They really, really need to find out if there were more people than just OM involved in this crime and also whether he had any contacts with anyone who might be going to do something similar.

Secondly, when the FBI does contact anyone at a dating website, I doubt it will be a little ding-a-ling to the CEO. It would be more like appearing at the main offices with properly executed search war in order to gain immediate access to their records.

Good points.

I'd also bet that the minute the app was mentioned in the media, the CEO got his minions to search the database. For him to say he's not familiar with Mateen means either they haven't been able to find his profile, or he wasn't on the app under his real identity (name, email or phone #).

 

[oceanblueeyes]

"According to a recent report by the Bipartisan Policy Center’s National Security Preparedness Group, statistically speaking, the one most likely to be a Muslim terrorist is the sandy-haired guy in jeans. In fact, according to the report, the majority of Muslim jihadists in America are white and born in the USA (21%) – the one exception being Somali immigrants, who top the list at 31%."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/abigail...erica-are-white-born-in-the-u-s/#4c42d7326046

I sure wish they had listed these white jihadists by name who have done terror attacks/plots on our soil.

Do they mean the ones who have gone overseas to fight with ISIS?

I am having a hard time remembering any white guy here who either did radical Islamic terrorist attacks or plotted them. Do you know any of their names?

I am interested in only the ones who have done terroristic acts or plotted to do so that was here since the subject at hand at the moment is radical Islamic terrorists attacking us on our own soil.

If they are talking about the ones who go over to fight with Isis I can only hope they are all killed while over there. Anyone who goes overseas to fight with any fanatical hate group such as ISIS shouldn't ever be allowed back into our country and their citizenship should be stripped. IMO That's one way to keep them off of our soil and out of our country.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Nancee Drue]

It is scary that Mateen looks like a normal, every day average person in may of his pictures.

 

[Renee110]

Good points.

I'd also bet that the minute the app was mentioned in the media, the CEO got his minions to search the database. For him to say he's not familiar with Mateen means either they haven't been able to find his profile, or he wasn't on the app under his real identity (name, email or phone #).

Surely they were looking at pictures too.

 

[bluesneakers]

I sure wish they had listed these white jihadists by name who have done terror attacks/plots on our soil.

Do they mean the ones who have gone overseas to fight with ISIS?

I am having a hard time remembering any white guy here who either did radical Islamic terrorist attacks or plotted them. Do you know any of their names?

I am interested in only the ones who have done terroristic acts or plotted to do so that was here since the subject at hand at the moment is radical Islamic terrorists attacking us on our own soil.

If they are talking about the ones who go over to fight with Isis I can only hope they are all killed while over there. Anyone who goes overseas to fight with any fanatical hate group such as ISIS shouldn't ever be allowed back into our country and their citizenship should be stripped. IMO That's one way to keep them off of our soil and out of our country.

Thanks in advance.

They are listed in the Forbes article.

That fact explains such figures as Colleen LaRose, aka “Jihad Jane,” and Daniel Patrick Boyd, the North Carolina drywall contractor indicted in 2009 on charges of training others to wage jihad — either of whom could easily have sat on a plane right next to José Williams, and he wouldn’t have even flinched.

And there’s the thing. Williams may have been fired unjustly from his job at NPR. He may have only said aloud what most people only think. But he was wrong in his assumptions, and so were the ladies of The View who walked out on Bill O’Reilly – and so are most of us. From Adam Gadahn, né Adam Pearlman – the California-born convert to Islam who is now a member of Al Qaeda – to New Mexico-born Anwar al-Awlaki – a known mentor to “American Taliban” John Walker Lindh, Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan and “Christmas bomber” Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab – the terrorists who form one of the greatest threats to the U.S. homeland look, for all the world, just like you and me.

What they have in common, all of them, is Islam.

 

[galiuro]

ISIS is already using his likeness in recruiting propaganda! According to one article, they want to use this attack as a tool to reach other "losers" like Mateen.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...used-in-twisted-isis-recruiting-campaign.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...ruitment-strategy-losers-attracted-technology

The first rule of war is the reason we need to recognize and label terrorists as such. KNOW YOUR ENEMY.

Whether we like it or not, war has existed on this earth since the beginning of time and will continue to do so for as long as we live. We are currently fighting in a war against terrorism--literally and figuratively. We need to be able to recognize our enemies, regardless if they are affiliated with an established terrorist group or not. A lone wolf is still the enemy, and these attacks are happening at an alarming rate in every region of the world. If we ever hope to stand half a chance defending ourselves, we must recognize and know them.

So apparently ISIS has zero problem with his 'shifting allegiances'...