FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

[i.b.nora]

[h=1]Orlando gunman tied to radical imam released from prison last year, say law enforcement sources[/h][FONT="]
“It is no coincidence that this happened in Orlando,” said a law enforcement source familiar with Robertson’s history of recruiting terrorists and inciting violence. “Mateen was enrolled in [Robertson’s online] Fundamental Islamic Knowledge Seminary.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...on-last-year-say-law-enforcement-sources.html
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From that article, I think it is important to highlight this:

“After he was arrested in 1991 along with most of the other members of the gang, prosecutors cut a deal with Robertson, and let him serve four years in prison before going to work undercover for the FBI between 2004 and 2007 to document terrorists’ plans and networks in Africa, Egypt and the United States.”​

So, he spied for the FBI and maybe still was spying until Mateen went on his rampage and Robertson's latest endeavor became spotlighted.

 

[tehcloser]

From ages 6 -13 years of age he was violent, threatening to kill people, attacking people, making up stories, gun in school, etc.

I do not think he was an islamic terrorist at 6 years old. This was a acutly mentally disturbed man since birth. Mental illiness has a genetic component.

Maybe if he was a well behaved peron when younger we might be able to say their were some influnces later in life.

A look at his school records indicate a budding antisocial personality disorder with a severe mood disorder IMO.

I know that many think mental illiness is an excuse. IMO, most who suffer are not violent. But there certainly is a huge correllation in the folks who evolve into violent beharviors typically have issues moo


Just speculation:

antisocial personality disorder


Personality is the combination of thoughts, emotions and behaviors that makes everyone unique. It's the way people view, understand and relate to the outside world, as well as how they see themselves. Personality forms during childhood, shaped through an interaction of inherited tendencies and environmental factors.

Adults with antisocial personality disorder typically show symptoms of conduct disorder before the age of 15.

• Being consistently irresponsible and repeatedly failing to fulfill work or financial obligations -check

• Disregard for right and wrong --check
• Persistent lying or deceit to exploit others -check
• Being callous, cynical and disrespectful of others -check
• Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or personal pleasure -check FIrst wife report
• Arrogance, a sense of superiority and being extremely opinionated -check
• Recurring problems with the law, including criminal behavior -check
• Repeatedly violating the rights of others through intimidation and dishonesty -check
• Impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead -check
• Hostility, significant irritability, agitation, aggression or violence -check
• Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others -check
• Unnecessary risk-taking or dangerous behavior with no regard for the safety of self or others -check
• Poor or abusive relationships -check
• Failure to consider the negative consequences of behavior or learn from them -check
• http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/dxc-20198978

Or maybe....He was just influenced by his radical father his whole life. You know his father, the wanna be , make believe Prez of Afghanistan.

 

[Hatfield]

Enterprise comes and picks you up. That's a possibility. Or a cab could have taken him there.


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He would not want to gain more attention to his terroristic plans so the odds of him doing either of those things would be slim to none IMO

More likely he had either his wife or father drive him or another close person.

 

[CARIIS]

MSM finally found the quit claim deed he did on his house in April for $10 to his sister. (FOX) I was wondering when they would come out with this.

They average 72 hours after us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How did they know he was speaking Arabic? There are so many languages on earth.

This imo is just the media making their own story!! He never said Arabic - he said foreign

See something, say something. It doesn't matter if the specific behavior in question was illegal or not. The gun shop was right to report him.

IMo in the climate we live it is a good idea to do such.

But the reality is unless a citizen has broke a law .............

Now watch the media is going to turn him selling the house etc as martyr.

How many suicide folks want to be taken out by LE. It fits in with the cowardess stuff in instnatly running to hide in a bathroom

Why the wives third statement that he was bipolar was totally ingnored by the media has been interesting. She lived with him.

Just passing along some info:

HE also went on a wild spending spree , which is actually a symptom of bipolar (its very common to have both a personality disorder and a mood disorder). Apparently he bought his wife a real expensive piece of jewelry.

[FONT=&quot]The disorder can also lead to [/FONT]impulsive spending [FONT=&quot]sprees, usually during manic episodes. These can extend to cars, holidays and computers, costing thousands of dollars, as irrational decision-making takes hold. It may be wild “self-medicating” shopping sprees, unwise investments, extravagant gifts to family, friends or charity, or spending a fortune on gambling.

[/FONT]http://psychcentral.com/lib/spending-sprees-in-bipolar-disorder/

One of mine went out and bought a corvette! No joke . The next morning the husband called me and asked me talk with dealership! They took it back right away!!

 

[alsleuther]

He would not want to gain more attention to his terroristic plans so the odds of him doing either of those things would be slim to none IMO

More likely he had either his wife or father drive him or another close person.

I guess he could have taken Uber, Cab, Enterprise pickup, etc, rented the car and then returned to his house to pick up the weapons and ammunition. But the fact that he got a rental car at all, instead of just driving his Toyota Camry to the rental place or straight to Orlando makes me think the wife was in on it.....he wanted to leave her with possession of the car, at her house.....not impounded as evidence in an Orlando parking lot....she'd never see it again.....

 

[jjenny]

In an interview broadcast on CNN about a half hour ago, he said "foreign language".

Who knows what he said when he first reported it? He had no information about the identity of the person and no video. (You would think a gun store would have cameras, but apparently this one does not.)

Exactly. No name, no video (or grainy video), no license plate. If they were so suspicious why no identifying information?

 

[Hatfield]

I guess he could have taken Uber, Cab, Enterprise pickup, etc, rented the car and then returned to his house to pick up the weapons and ammunition. But the fact that he got a rental car at all, instead of just driving his Toyota Camry to the rental place or straight to Orlando makes me think the wife was in on it.....he wanted to leave her with possession of the car, at her house.....not impounded as evidence in an Orlando parking lot....she'd never see it again.....

I agree. Especially in leiu of finding out he deeded the house to the sister for 10$

If LE knows others knew and didn't report him then charges should be filed against any and all of them who knew his plans.

It is very upsetting that the strong arm of the law does not seem willing to use the existing laws fully to hold family and relatives responsible for their knowledge in this atrocity. I don't get it.

Well actually i do get it. Its political correctness at its finest again I am afraid. We saw it with the Boston Bombers family and friends to an extent.
When is LE and the government going to realize that political correctness is costing lives.

 

[Everyday Grace]

Regarding the 4-5-2016 real estate transaction.

If you follow the "quitclaim deed" link in the Fox News article, it takes you directly to the transaction in the St. Lucie County records here:

http://oncore.stlucieclerk.com/oncorewebnew/ShowDetails.aspx?id=5722774&direct=1

The transfer document itself can be viewed through an image/thumbnail.

To answer a previous question, OM's wife did not sign the document as an ownership interest, but she did sign as a witness.

An address is given for the grantees. No indication if that is for the property transferred without looking further into the land record. Time consuming so I am not going to look closer at this point. Just sharing what I can easily see.

Again, no way to discern if one of the properties mentioned below is the same, but thought I would include it as it is possible considering an address provided in the quitclaim deed.

Thin ice due to family who has not been publicly identified as being under investigation, but maybe relevant regarding finances of the identified perp? As far as I'm aware, investigators are looking at finances of OM's father so I'm assuming the following is not a TOS violation?

Anyhoo:

S and S Mateen both are listed on property tax records for two homes, one in the 900 block of Southwest Bayshore Boulevard and the other in the 500 block of the same street in Port St. Lucie.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/special/...59-e053-0100007fd093-382987451.html?d=mobile#

ETA: Changed two names to first initials.

 

[cady]

Wife and father are a puzzle. Why would they help bring on all this scrutiny on themselves? I believe I heard on CNN that both are not allowed to leave the country, so maybe GJ for both? Also, I think that Mateen did call his mother during the attack and she called the wife, who texted him. JMO

 

[jjenny]

How did his wife brought scrutiny on herself? The one interviewed on tv is the ex-wife, she hasn't seen him in years.

 

[CARIIS]

We don't have any laws that say it's illegal for middle eastern men to buy guns or ammunition.

Thank god!!!!

 

[Hatfield]

The terrorists are exploiting the unwillingness of FBI and LE to aggressively pursue them as much as they could.

How come we never see LE bash down the doors like they normally would for any other typical drug house under suspicion.

Instead just the other day we see LE politely outside the shooters relatives home waiting for him to come home.
Lets ignore the fact the relative could have been involved with the shooters terroristic ways and lets politely wait outside the home till he gets home. Sheeesshhhh

 

[human]

Unfortunately all of these barbaric ways to murder are carried out by jihadists. They believe what they believe no matter how sadistic and perverse we view it. The laws in many middle eastern countries concerning homosexuality being punishable by death is based on their Muslim religion and beliefs. So it isn't just terrorists who believe in murder or advocates for it to happen, but anyone who kills someone because of their sexual orientation is a murderer, imo. Yet some of these countries are our allies.

It is one of the strangest religions I have ever read about. I still have no clue why anyone would want to follow a Profit who tells people they are to murder others. Why wouldn't they want a loving God? A God of forgiveness for all? I just don't think I will ever understand it and then knowing Imams are teaching this type of hate right here is even more mindboggling that it is allowed.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/bible-verse-homosexuals-heard-house-gop-prior-vote

 

[CARIIS]

I guess he could have taken Uber, Cab, Enterprise pickup, etc, rented the car and then returned to his house to pick up the weapons and ammunition. But the fact that he got a rental car at all, instead of just driving his Toyota Camry to the rental place or straight to Orlando makes me think the wife was in on it.....he wanted to leave her with possession of the car, at her house.....not impounded as evidence in an Orlando parking lot....she'd never see it again.....

Was it rental? Inever saw a report on that?

 

[jjenny]

"Sources characterized the video -- pulled from cameras deployed in multiple rooms of the nightclub -- as chilling and unnerving. The video portrays Mateen as a relentless assassin, reloading his weapon more than once as he murdered his victims."

http://abcnews.go.com/ABCNews/cold-...lance-video-pulse-nightclub/story?id=39942771

 

[cady]

How did his wife brought scrutiny on herself? The one interviewed on tv is the ex-wife, she hasn't seen him in years.

I meant if she (current wife) is complicit..............I do not know if she is, but she seems to not be totally in the dark about his activities, even if she didn't know anything about his plans for that particular night. Reportedly he told her he was going to visit friends. Maybe, she didn't believe him but was afraid to alert authorities and be wrong in her suspicion. Just don't know. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

White Extremists Have Killed More Americans in the U.S. Than Jihadists



white terrorists killed more Americans than jihadists,......twice as frequent, killing almost twice as many

[FONT=&]Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski, Jared Loughner, [/FONT]

James Von Brunn.​

[FONT=&]John Patrick Bedell,. Andrew Joseph Stack, . Daniel Cowart, . Anders Behring Breivik, . Byron Williams, Roger Eliiot, Jmaes Holmes, Dylan Roof

http://newsone.com/1417755/top-10-white-christian-terrorists/

http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/

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Well, of course they have. Jihadists started hitting our country in the 2000s.

It was 20 radical Muslim terrorists who were the ones involved in 911 and murdered close to 3000 thousand people.

And then add the mass shootings of Fort Hood, the ones who have happened at other bases or recruiting stations, the one where a Muslim man cut the head off of a co-worker, and tried to do the same to another co-worker, the two out in CA and now this one. Plus there have been more and some have been stopped for carrying out what they had planned to murder us.

Some of those that is listed in your post wasn't even done because they had twisted fanatical religious beliefs either. Most of them had no party affiliation one way or the other.

Even back in 1973 in CA there were multiple murders done by four Muslim Black Brotherhood along with rapes and one decapitation. All of the victims were white and the murders were race motivated. They were known as the Zebra Killers.

Plus you have to take into consideration we weren't having problems with Islamic terrorists on our own soil until the 2000s so the article doesn't take that into the equation meaning it is misleading. They sure have done enough devastation once they started their terror attacks here and it will get worse. Give them more time.........they are trying hard to catch up.

And some listed certainly weren't right wing extremists either but I see that both sites are liberal sites.

 

[human]

The terrorists are exploiting the unwillingness of FBI and LE to aggressively pursue them as much as they could.

How come we never see LE bash down the doors like they normally would for any other typical drug house under suspicion.

Instead just the other day we see LE politely outside the shooters relatives home waiting for him to come home.
Lets ignore the fact the relative could have been involved with the shooters terroristic ways and lets politely wait outside the home till he gets home. Sheeesshhhh

I would imagine they had a ton of LE surrounding the place.

As a teacher, I had to go on home visits. On one, the police came to arrest a major drug dealer who I was meeting with re his child ( I did not know he was a major dealer). The LE knocked and waited outside while we finished our school talk. The dealer asked if they would wait. Just one of the many fun stories as a teacher .

 

[Everyday Grace]

Well duh, of course they have. Jihadists started hitting our country in the 2000s.

It was 20 radical Muslim terrorists who were the ones involved in 911 and murdered close to 3000 thousand people.

And then add the mass shootings of Fort Hood, the ones who have happened at other bases or recruiting stations, the one where a Muslim man cut the head off of a co-worker, and tried to do the same to another co-worker, the two out in CA and now this one. Plus there have been more and some have been stopped for carrying out they had planned to murder us.

Some of those that is listed in your post wasn't even done because they had twisted fanatical religious beliefs either. Most of them had no party affiliation one way or the other.

Even back in 1973 in CA there were multiple murders done by four Muslim Black Brotherhood along with rapes and one decapitation. All of the victims were white and the murders were race motivated. They were known as the Zebra Killers.

Plus you have to take into consideration we weren't having problems with Islamic terrorists on our own soil until the 2000s so the article doesn't take that into the equation meaning it is misleading. They sure have done enough devastation once they started their terror attacks here and it will get worse. Give them more time.........they are trying hard to catch up.

And some listed certainly weren't right wing extremists either but I see that both sites are liberal sites.

1993 World Trade Center

1993 CIA Headquarters

 

[CARIIS]

Or maybe....He was just influenced by his radical father his whole life. You know his father, the wanna be , make believe Prez of Afghanistan.

The father had no issue with western society - it was against Pakinstan.

Dad totaly embraced Western values. Being born in Afganstan does not mean western hate.

Lived in upper middle class home
wore suits and ties
noone in the family system females covered there faces
etc etc.

Nothing to do with America

Dadis a fringe political commentator who rails against Pakistan and Afghan President Ashraf Ghani

Dozens of YouTube videos show him hosting the “Durand Jirga Show” on a TV channel broadcast from California. The name of the show refers to the “Durand Line,” the long-disputed border that separates Afghanistan and Pakistan.......denounces the Pakistani government

The guy Dad was hassling is born in Lebanon. He was againist someone who was againist AMerica

relations between the two countries soured briefly following accusations of double standards owing to American aid to Israel against Hezbollahinsurgents during the 2006 war.

http://in.reuters.com/article/florida-shooting-father-idINKCN0YZ07K

Now his dad made his homosexual hate clear throughout his life --and he goes to a gay bar and shoots a 100 gay people. The son also assimilated as well . His apt was very Western. No place to pray, no Islam pictures etc.

The only thing he was obessed with was the American blockbuster Star Wars!!!!! He assimalated !

Thats far different than the Paris folks, the San Bern folks etc

In addition:

Afghanistan and the United States have a very strong and friendly strategic partnership. In 2012, relations became even closer when the President of the United States, Barack Obama declared Afghanistan a Major non-NATO ally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan%E2%80%93United_States_relations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashraf_Ghani#Personal_life