FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

[CARIIS]

Could this have acutally been a suicide?

He visited his dad recently (rare)

He juat spend hours watching happy gays (worthless)

He became a unarmed guard ( disspaointment)

He put his affairs common in suicide

• Talking about suicide: Statements like “I’d be better off dead” or “If I see you again…,”
• Seeking the means: Trying to get access to guns, pills, or other objects that could be used in a suicide attempt.
• No hope for the future: Feelings of helplessness, hopelessness, and being trapped, or believing that things will never get better.
• Self-loathing: Feelings of worthlessness, guilt, shame, and self-hatred.
• Getting affairs in order: Giving away prized possessions or making arrangements for family members.
• Saying goodbye: Unusual or unexpected visits or calls to family and friends; saying goodbye to people as if they won’t be seen again.

Bipolar disorder is the sixth leading cause of disability in the world.

one in five patients with bipolar disorder completes suicide.

Speculation : This could be related to her comment not to do anything "violent"


I think it might be reasonable for her to slowly get what might be happening resulting possiblity calling his friend. In the last several weeks let say he was getting more agiated, got his finacils in order, folks who live with bipolar loved ones in some instances has seen the "spending sprees. She just might have receenlty become aware that he had been doing a lot of the precursers to suicide Specualtion of course

Could be relevant to one text being "Ilove" you

Cound be a friend in the field calling to assess for suicidal ideation.

I think it might be reasonable

http://www.dbsalliance.org/site/PageServer?
pagename=education_statistics_bipolar_disorder



http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/suicide-often-not-preceded-by-warnings-201209245331

 

[barcode]

Orlando gunman had turned over share of house to relatives for $10

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...ndo-gunman-stalked-her-almost-decade-ago.html


Perhaps signs of advanced planning!

 

[Montjoy]

Reports said he only fired 202 rounds. Some of those were surely fired at police. It is almost hard to believe as that is less than 2 shots a person and they say many had multiple.

"...only fired 202 rounds". Sheesh. That's probably more than the collective LEOs and perps of some countries fire in a year.

 

[i.b.nora]

‘Clerical error’ on Orlando killer’s psychological eval named wrong doctor

“Nine years ago, the state of Florida received documentation from a security firm vouching for the mental health of Omar Mateen, who launched a bloody attack this week on Orlando nightclub patrons.

But the psychologist whose name appears on the document in state records said Friday that she never evaluated a man who now ranks as the worst mass killer in American history. In fact, she wasn’t even living in Florida when the evaluation was supposedly completed.

The revelation Friday became another source of scrutiny for the G4S security firm, which was known as Wackenhut at the time. The psychological evaluation done for the company, which is required under state law, cleared Mateen to carry a firearm as a private security guard.

“What I do know is that in September 2007, I was not living or working in Florida, I was not performing any work for Wackenhut, and I did not administer any type of examination to Omar Mateen,” Dr. Carol Nudelman, who now lives in Colorado, said in a statement released through her attorneys to the Miami Herald and other papers who had published her name.

The company on Friday called the discrepancy a “clerical error” and said that Mateen was indeed evaluated, but by a different psychologist.​

More...

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article84490302.html

 

[bluesneakers]

Clerical error. Have they told us who they really used? (Tapatalk doesn't like the link for some reason.)

Perhaps the clerical error was "we want to hire this guy so let's fake it and skip the eval." He's probably not the only one.

 

[Everyday Grace]

Clerical error. Have they told us who they really used? (Tapatalk doesn't like the link for some reason.)

Perhaps the clerical error was "we want to hire this guy so let's fake it and skip the eval." He's probably not the only one.

In an email on Friday, the company said Mateen was indeed evaluated by the firm that bought Nudelman’s practice, Headquarters for Psychological Evaluation, owned by Dr. Joanne Bauling. She could not be reached for comment on Friday.

The company also said Friday that Mateen was not interviewed by a psychologist, but rather, the psychologist evaluated the results of a standard test used in job screenings.

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[i.b.nora]

Clerical error. Have they told us who they really used? (Tapatalk doesn't like the link for some reason.)

Perhaps the clerical error was "we want to hire this guy so let's fake it and skip the eval." He's probably not the only one.

“In an email on Friday, the company said Mateen was indeed evaluated by the firm that bought Nudelman’s practice, Headquarters for Psychological Evaluation, owned by Dr. Joanne Bauling. She could not be reached for comment on Friday.

The company also said Friday that Mateen was not interviewed by a psychologist, but rather, the psychologist evaluated the results of a standard test used in job screenings.”​

Sorry their link doesn't work for you.

 

[Everyday Grace]

In a chilling twist, Orlando shooter Omar Mateen wrote in a handwritten police academy application [11-2014] how much he appreciates being raised in a "safe country and society" and detailed his "respect and admiration" for law enforcement, according to records from Indian River State College.

His parents told him to "appreciate these blessings of being raised in a safe country and society," Mateen wrote, adding that he wants the streets to be "safe" for his son, the way it was for him growing up. He also stressed that he's a family man, who likes to attend family dinners on weekends and spend time with his nephews.

More (including images of the handwriting):
http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-sh...-chilling-statements-police/story?id=39944185

 

[CARIIS]

I do not understand how statements like this

He “was not fit to serve as a member of the FDC (Florida Department of Corrections)

do not result in media following up on mental. He was not in a wheelchair, he was not missing a leg-- so exactly what are folks refering to when they say "not fit".

Certainly not a physical entity moo

I just see so many judgement calls on his part that are "off". Two days after Virginia tech, this is a wildly inapproriate question IMO

inquired about whether a fellow cadet would say anything if he brought a gun to the school.

That is not clear thinking, nor is it funny - so I would assume it has to relate with some other issues.


http://wtvr.com/2016/06/17/omar-mateen-behavior-had-long-been-an-issue/

 

[Everyday Grace]

The man who killed 49 people and wounded 53 at an LGBT nightclub in Florida on Sunday was dismissed from the state department of corrections in 2007 after joking about bringing a gun to a training class, according to records released on Friday.

The Guardian can also report that G4S, the security company that employed Omar Mateen just months after his dismissal, did not carry out a check on his employment record at the department, which could have raised further red flags about his state of mind.

Within months of his dismissal, Mateen passed a background check to begin work for G4S, but company spokesman Nigel Fairbrass told the Guardian that an employment check with the department of corrections was cancelled after another employer – understood to be a local gym – confirmed Mateen had worked for them in the same period of time.

Mateen had told G4S he was sacked by the corrections department but said he had lost his job for taking “two days off due to a fever”. This story appears not to have been verified by the company.

More:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-fired-gun-joke-state-department-corrections

More on the 2007 incident:

In 2007, the Department of Corrections employed Mateen and financed his schooling at Indian River State College to become an officer. But it lasted only six months.

One of his peers said that on April 14, Mateen, who was 20, talked about bringing a gun to school.

“While the class was given a 15-minute break, Omar Mateen approached me laughing saying that if he was to bring a gun to school would I tell anybody,” another trainee wrote. “I looked at him and turned away.”

The Virginia Tech shootings happened two days later.

Mateen likely would have been kicked out of the program for other inappropriate behavior, Skipper said.

More:
http://m.palmbeachpost.com/news/new...ting-prison-warden-feared-mass-shootin/nrh4W/

Additional reporting on the 2007 incident:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-orlando-shooter-dismissal-memo-20160617-story.html

Until Friday, it had been a mystery why Mateen was dismissed by the state Department of Corrections. The agency said it found the warden's memo after "an extensive and ongoing hand search" of the Department of Corrections archives.

Despite the warden's concerns, Mateen was listed in state records as being dismissed "without misconduct," and he was able to obtain a special firearms permit just six months after his dismissal.

 

[CARIIS]

More (including images of the handwriting):
http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-sh...-chilling-statements-police/story?id=39944185

It struck me as "off". On a job application why would a empoyer be interested in pizza and BBQ?

Why would one include an entry about being transfered to to a school for children with mental health problems?

Spectrum Center schools and programs have a qualified team of behavioral and mental health . professionals.

Placement in those programs require mental health evaluations, so obvously he was flagged as having mental health issues, screened and admitted to such a setting. Space is limited so the degree of impairment usually needs to signifigant.

That population also experiences many feelings of self esteem issues after being placed in a program like that moo

http://www.spectrumschools.com/

Vountary discolsure of trying pot , when applying for a postion in LE. Its biazaire thinking patterns?? There is cognitive issue moo

attempted to become a state trooper in 2011

more distant and rejection

 

[Everyday Grace]

Experts stress much of the initial profiling of Mateen amounts to informed speculation. They say it’s too early to draw conclusions from the evidence collected by federal agents, who are still combing through the killer’s computer and other electronics and probing his past relationships and employment.

“No one knows exactly why Mateen singled out the Pulse nightclub,” said Miami defense lawyer David Weinstein, former chief of counter-terrorism in the U.S. Attorney’s Office in South Florida.

But this much is certain: the killer’s “motivation for the selection of his specific target to act out on his plan would make this case unique amongst all of the homegrown terrorism cases that we have seen since 9/11,” Weinstein said.

Dr. Harley Stock, a Broward clinical psychologist who has profiled terrorists and taught at the FBI Academy, cautioned that still too little is known about Mateen to fit him into an easy profile.

Questions about Mateen's possibly repressed sexuality turning into violence may be overblown, Stock said, because there is no credible research linking the two.

“The majority of individuals who commit violent crimes, including terrorists, are not mentally ill,” Stock said. “The guy is a bad actor. He's not crazy.”

He also cautioned that law-enforcement profiling is often misunderstood by the public as being some foolproof way to foil terrorist plots: “It's virtually impossible for the U.S. government, with 100 percent specificity, to be able to identify who is on the pathway toward terrorism.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article84511132.html#storylink=cpy

 

[CARIIS]

“In an email on Friday, the company said Mateen was indeed evaluated by the firm that bought Nudelman’s practice, Headquarters for Psychological Evaluation, owned by Dr. Joanne Bauling. She could not be reached for comment on Friday.

The company also said Friday that Mateen was not interviewed by a psychologist, but rather, the psychologist evaluated the results of a standard test used in job screenings.”​

Sorry their link doesn't work for you.

IIRC that was in 2007 -bipolar tends to be a progressive illiness with age.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Why did he put things in his brother in laws name, you'd think he'd just leave it to his wife right? Or was she potentially going to be killed / arrested too?

http://dailym.ai/1UTddGO

 

[CARIIS]

"...only fired 202 rounds". Sheesh. That's probably more than the collective LEOs and perps of some countries fire in a year.

That would address the friendly fire angle - which is understandable the place was dark, and the final barrage was overkill in high gear. They were blasting away at the hole in the wall where people were coming out of the breach, in pitch black environment from what looked to be some what a distance away from the beach

Visualize inside as well. People were running to bathroom areas as was he in a tight hallway moo

 

[CARIIS]

Why did he put things in his brother in laws name, you'd think he'd just leave it to his wife right? Or was she potentially going to be killed / arrested too?

http://dailym.ai/1UTddGO

They said one of the marriages was an arranged one, which fits in with IMO, wanting to appease dad, while appearing to be heterosexual. Happens all the time with closeted gay folks, its a cover..

 

[bluesneakers]

Sorry their link doesn't work for you.

Thanks for the snippet.

Every once in awhile this refuses to let a page load.

 

[deoneta]

The killer's father voiced some screwy ideas in his videos, and one of those screwy ideas was supporting the Taliban. A search of the killer's computer revealed that he had been watching ISIS propaganda including beheading videos. Saying the killer wasn't an Islamist terrorist is like saying Ted Bundy wasn't a serial killer, just a guy who failed at law school and had issues with women. The killer is just the type you'd expect to fall under the influence of radical teaching and online propaganda. Posting beheading videos as a recruitment tool isn't likely to attract moral, tolerant, well adjusted people. MOO

 

[CARIIS]

The killer's father voiced some screwy ideas in his videos, and one of those screwy ideas was supporting the Taliban. A search of the killer's computer revealed that he had been watching ISIS propaganda including beheading videos. Saying the killer wasn't an Islamist terrorist is like saying Ted Bundy wasn't a serial killer, just a guy who failed at law school and had issues with women. The killer is just the type you'd expect to fall under the influence of radical teaching and online propaganda. Posting beheading videos as a recruitment tool isn't likely to attract moral, tolerant, well adjusted people. MOO

The way they are reporting this angle gives the impression that he was regularily ( CNN) viewing this material , when the reality of it was he (mania) he went through a spurt and flurry of viewing on an occasion or two.

It was not pattern of support for ISIS . IN some cases here we have searched and posted here graphic pictures from stories, I certainly hope that does not mean that we are serial killers, terrorists etc .

Could also be a rubber necking activity like we all do when we pass a big car wreck or something. When that bunch of beheadings was was going on many folks worldwide watched the beheadings on You Tube - it is just human nature to some degree

I am sure we all remeber the video of heads on like fences, does not translate IMO to being a internationial terrorist

 

[bluesneakers]

The way they are reporting this angle gives the impression that he was regularily ( CNN) viewing this material , when the reality of it was he (mania) he went through a spurt and flurry of viewing on an occasion or two.

It was not pattern of support for ISIS . IN some cases here we have searched and posted here graphic pictures from stories, I certainly hope that does not mean that we are serial killers, terrorists etc .

Could also be a rubber necking activity like we all do when we pass a big car wreck or something.

Right, but I think he had some personal involvement when he watched. Not just murder or curiosity but fantasy. Not a regular knd of guy.

I know there was just an article about not being able to know much about him and maybe he only had these viewing sessions while manic but imo they were giving him something bad and dark and frightening.