FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

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  • #721
The killer's father voiced some screwy ideas in his videos, and one of those screwy ideas was supporting the Taliban. A search of the killer's computer revealed that he had been watching ISIS propaganda including beheading videos. Saying the killer wasn't an Islamist terrorist is like saying Ted Bundy wasn't a serial killer, just a guy who failed at law school and had issues with women. The killer is just the type you'd expect to fall under the influence of radical teaching and online propaganda. Posting beheading videos as a recruitment tool isn't likely to attract moral, tolerant, well adjusted people. MOO

I think the problem here is reporting him as a ISIS terrorist, when the reality moo, is this is a mass shooting, hate crime, and a domestic terrorist entity. Jmaes Holmes did the same thing and was tried in court as a mass shooter.

He too was profoundly mental disturbed, and obsessed with the Joker .

Ted Bundy became a serial killer as a reuslt of life experinces. It all imo does not have to be terrorist,
 
  • #722
Right, but I think he had some personal involvement when he watched. Not just murder 🤬🤬🤬🤬 or curiosity but fantasy. Not a regular knd of guy.

I know there was just an article about not being able to know much about him and maybe he only had these viewing sessions while manic but imo they were giving him something bad and dark and frightening.

Indeed my dear, mental illiness in conjunction with watching violent content often end up involved in our mass shootings that are domestic , lone wolf attacks

White terrists have killed more people than anyone else linked earlier.

Linked earlier toddlers actually kill more people each year than terrorists - shocking huh.

I also think our media does a lot of lumping by including the foreign islamic terrorist attacks given the impression that there are a lot here in the USA when in reality the only ones I can remeber are the San Bern and Ft Hood one that is direcly related to Islamic terrorism.
 
  • #723
Indeed my dear, mental illiness in conjunction with watching violent content often end up involved in our mass shootings that are domestic , lone wolf attacks

White terrists have killed more people than anyone else linked earlier.

Linked earlier toddlers actually kill more people each year than terrorists - shocking huh.

I also think our media does a lot of lumping by including the foreign islamic terrorist attacks given the impression that there are a lot here in the USA when in reality the only ones I can remeber are the San Bern and Ft Hood one that is direcly related to Islamic terrorism.

And Chattanooga.
 
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  • #725
Quote Originally Posted by CARIIS View Post
Indeed my dear, mental illiness in conjunction with watching violent content often end up involved in our mass shootings that are domestic , lone wolf attacks

White terrists have killed more people than anyone else linked earlier.

Linked earlier toddlers actually kill more people each year than terrorists - shocking huh.

I also think our media does a lot of lumping by including the foreign islamic terrorist attacks given the impression that there are a lot here in the USA when in reality the only ones I can remeber are the San Bern and Ft Hood one that is direcly related to Islamic terrorism.

And Chattanooga.

Respectfully BBM. Respectfully there are also the following on US Soil : http://www.dailywire.com/news/4291/here-your-complete-list-islamic-terror-attacks-aaron-bandler

Little Rock, Arkansas, June 1, 2009. Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad shot and murdered one soldier, Army Pvt. William Andrew Long, and injured another, Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, at a military recruiting station in Little Rock. Muhammad reportedly converted to Islam in college and was on the FBI's radar after being arrested in Yemen–a hotbed of radical Islamic terrorism–for using a Somali passport, even though he was a U.S. citizen. In a note to an Arkansas judge, Muhammad claimed to be a member of al-Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula, the terror group's Yemen chapter.

Boston, Massachusetts, April 15, 2013. Tamerlan and Dhozkar Tsarnaev set off two bombs at the 2013 Boston marathon, killing three and injuring over 260 people. The Tsarnaev brothers later shot and murdered Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer Sean Collier. The Tsarnaev brothers were self-radicalized through online jihadist propaganda and through a mosque with ties to al-Qaeda.

Moore, Oklahoma, September 24, 2014. Alton Nolen beheaded a woman, Colleen Huff, at a Vaughan Foods plant and stabbed and injured another person. While Nolen's motives are unclear, he appears to have been another radicalized Muslim who was obsessed with beheadings.

Queens, New York, October 23, 2014. Zale Thompson, another self-radicalized Muslim, injured two police officers with a hatchet before being shot dead by other cops. Thompson reportedly indoctrinated himself with ISIS, al-Qaeda and al-Shabab–a Somali jihadist terror group–websites and was a lone wolf attacker.

Brooklyn, New York, December 20, 2014. Ismaayil Brinsley shot and murdered two police officers execution-style and his Facebook page featured jihadist postings and had ties to a terror-linked mosque.

Garland, Texas, May 3, 2015. Two gunmen shot up the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, where a Mohammed cartoon contest was taking place, and were killed by a police officer. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack.
 
  • #726
SIX YEARS!!!

July 1, 2015 In The News
By John Lyon of the Arkansas News Bureau
Purple Hearts Presented To Soldiers Shot At Little Rock Recruiting Center
Two Army soldiers who were shot outside a Little Rock recruiting center six years ago were awarded Purple Hearts on Wednesday, one of them posthumously.

It took an act of Congress to allow the medals to be awarded to Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula of Jacksonville and the late Pvt. William Andrew “Andy” Long of Conway. Army officials presented the medals to Ezeagwula and Long’s father, Daris Long, in a ceremony at the state Capitol.

Elected officials in attendance included Gov. Asa Hutchinson; Lt. Gov. Tim Griffin; U.S. Sens. John Boozman and Tom Cotton, both R-Ark.; and U.S. Rep. French Hill, R-Little Rock. Boozman spearheaded the effort to change federal law so that soldiers killed in acts of terrorism on U.S. soil could qualify for Purple Hearts — an effort that included testimony by Daris Long before a Senate committee.

The Army said earlier this year it would award Purple Hearts to Ezeagwula and Long, as well as the victims of the Nov. 5, 2009, mass shooting at Fort Hood, Texas.

Ezeagwula was wounded and Long was killed when Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, a Memphis native then living in Little Rock, opened fire on them on June 1, 2009. Muhammad, now serving a sentence of life in prison without parole, has said he considered the shooting an act of war, or jihad, against the U.S. and has admitted that two years before the shooting he traveled to Yemen, where he had discussions with members of al-Qaida about attacking American soldiers. https://hill.house.gov/media-center...d-soldiers-shot-little-rock-recruiting-center
 
  • #727
SIX YEARS!!!

July 1, 2015 In The News
By John Lyon of the Arkansas News Bureau
Purple Hearts Presented To Soldiers Shot At Little Rock Recruiting Center
Two Army soldiers who were shot outside a Little Rock recruiting center six years ago were awarded Purple Hearts on Wednesday, one of them posthumously.

It took an act of Congress to allow the medals to be awarded to Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula of Jacksonville and the late Pvt. William Andrew “Andy” Long of Conway. Army officials presented the medals to Ezeagwula and Long’s father, Daris Long, in a ceremony at the state Capitol.

Elected officials in attendance included Gov. Asa Hutchinson; Lt. Gov. Tim Griffin; U.S. Sens. John Boozman and Tom Cotton, both R-Ark.; and U.S. Rep. French Hill, R-Little Rock. Boozman spearheaded the effort to change federal law so that soldiers killed in acts of terrorism on U.S. soil could qualify for Purple Hearts — an effort that included testimony by Daris Long before a Senate committee.

The Army said earlier this year it would award Purple Hearts to Ezeagwula and Long, as well as the victims of the Nov. 5, 2009, mass shooting at Fort Hood, Texas.

Ezeagwula was wounded and Long was killed when Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, a Memphis native then living in Little Rock, opened fire on them on June 1, 2009. Muhammad, now serving a sentence of life in prison without parole, has said he considered the shooting an act of war, or jihad, against the U.S. and has admitted that two years before the shooting he traveled to Yemen, where he had discussions with members of al-Qaida about attacking American soldiers. https://hill.house.gov/media-center...d-soldiers-shot-little-rock-recruiting-center

Well they had to change the law and one thing we know is the government (and often the military too) moves slowly.
 
  • #728
Well they had to change the law and one thing we know is the government (and often the military too) moves slowly.

This was because they did not want to call it Terrorism, wanted to call it workplace violence. I met Mr. & Mrs. Long by chance at the Ark Health Department a month after the shooting.. they were trying to get a copy of their son Death Certificate. I was getting a few for genealogy work I was doing and a copy of my new grandson birth certificate. I will never as long as I live forget the pain I saw and felt that day. Mr. Long was wearing his son's military issue hat. It had a blood stain still on it. They got the run around from the get go. Sorry for rant
 
  • #729
https://amp.twimg.com/v/a6b5eab3-0027-4250-bb09-24c488f78e70

"Death Penalty for homosexuality is not radical...It's Islam"

Here's some truth from their own mouths. We're not making it up.

Interesting. I guess all Christians must also believe that gays should be killed, since a Sacramento Baptist pastor said "he believes God has “put a death penalty” on them" and "when people die who deserve to die, it’s not a tragedy.”. These are the conclusions we come to when we assume one speaks for all.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article84068102.html

homosexuals more likely to be killed by other homosexuals
Link, please.

Brief, but touching, insights to each of the 49 victims.

Brenda Lee Marquez McCool, 49, from Brooklyn. She was attending Pulse that night with her son. She stepped in front of her son when she saw the shooter point his weapon in her son's direction.

http://features.cbsnews.com/orlando-shooting-victims/
That just breaks your heart, doesn't it? She protected her baby until the very end. These stories are overwhelming. Just when you think you've heard the saddest story, another one comes along and punches you in the stomach.

The other day a Pulse survivor was being interviewed and the mayor of Orange County joined him. They were holding hands and the mayor wrapped her arm around him as he broke down telling his story. It helps restore your faith in humanity when you see people coming together like this, but I just really hope the support is long-lasting. These people have been through something really horrible, and they will need counseling for years to help them to work through it.


 
  • #730
But that wont really stop anything --way more terrorist attacks are caused by white Americans - linked earlier.


Not in the short term. But without a way of reaching these individuals online or in print, then a visit to them is needed and that is easier to monitor. Like all 'causes', money is often a major key. It would at least feel like we were 'doing something' which is empowering. It will reduce the hate speech against the entire Muslim community. We won't have to immediately send young men overseas to fight wars we cannot win.

The rallying cry of 'the infidels are killing our wives and children' is much more effective for them than 'they cut off our internet'.

Now I personally believe that this particular gunman would have just found a different cause to use but I am still looking for ways to understand and ultimately prevent these things. It is important to me on a personal level to understand how positive parenting/mentoring can help change the outcome.
 
  • #731
Not in the short term. But without a way of reaching these individuals online or in print, then a visit to them is needed and that is easier to monitor. Like all 'causes', money is often a major key. It would at least feel like we were 'doing something' which is empowering. It will reduce the hate speech against the entire Muslim community. We won't have to immediately send young men overseas to fight wars we cannot win.

The rallying cry of 'the infidels are killing our wives and children' is much more effective for them than 'they cut off our internet'.

Now I personally believe that this particular gunman would have just found a different cause to use but I am still looking for ways to understand and ultimately prevent these things. It is important to me on a personal level to understand how positive parenting/mentoring can help change the outcome.


Judging by some recent incidents here, we seem to be having an issue with some young Aussie men/teens aligning themselves with radical Isis thinking … though there has been a young girl as well. Primarily they seem to be using the internet to access and spout the radical views. They go to great lengths to try to quietly reach Syria too.

It seems to be happening at that age where they want to ‘belong’, when they are very hormonal, when they are reaching for their independence and asserting themselves. And these are not all children who have been raised in the Muslim faith or have radicalised parents.

I get concerned when I think about how we are going to reach them, and I feel sorry for their shocked parents.
 
  • #732
Judging by some recent incidents here, we seem to be having an issue with some young Aussie men/teens aligning themselves with radical Isis thinking … though there has been a young girl as well. Primarily they seem to be using the internet to access and spout the radical views. They go to great lengths to try to quietly reach Syria too.

It seems to be happening at that age where they want to ‘belong’, when they are very hormonal, when they are reaching for their independence and asserting themselves. And these are not all children who have been raised in the Muslim faith or have radicalised parents.

I get concerned when I think about how we are going to reach them, and I feel sorry for their shocked parents.

Although I do not think it applicable in the case, (being recriuted etc) in a lot of ways joining ISIS is a lot like the role of gangs. Its usually deisenfrahshed folks who dont feel connected to society. He was like not alone, in the sense he had a kid a job, etc

Itruly, for one of many reasons, mainly the FBI not finding any ecidence, beleive that because his behavior was odd, that a group like ISIS would not have much to do with him -becasue of his oddities

No matter our feelings toward the Paris attacks , those guys had to really cognitily organized to pull off that night.

Like his job history - I think he would have been, if you will, fired!
 
  • #733
Although I do not think it applicable in the case, (being recriuted etc) in a lot of ways joining ISIS is a lot like the role of gangs. Its usually deisenfrahshed folks who dont feel connected to society. He was like not alone, in the sense he had a kid a job, etc

Itruly, for one of many reasons, mainly the FBI not finding any ecidence, beleive that because his behavior was odd, that a group like ISIS would not have much to do with him -becasue of his oddities

No matter our feelings toward the Paris attacks , those guys had to really cognitily organized to pull off that night.

Like his job history - I think he would have been, if you will, fired!

(It's 5am here...no lunesta? Or are you just waking up? :heart: )

(All nighter here, :offtobed: TGIS )
 
  • #734
Geez...had another thought that the media probably won't want to mention.

How many of the survivors will have to get tested for HIV over the next few months?

If someone was shot in a crowd with a round of .223 the bullet could have passed through another victim before hitting them. Plus a lot of these folks were trying to help victims or huddled in corners with copious amounts of blood.
 
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  • #736
Geez...had another thought that the media probably won't want to mention.

How many of the survivors will have to get tested for HIV over the next few months?

If someone was shot in a crowd with a round of .223 the bullet could have passed through another victim before hitting them. Plus a lot of these folks were trying to help victims or huddled in corners with copious amounts of blood.


Good Lord.....I hadn't thought of that. More trauma for the victims. Sigh.
 
  • #737
Itruly, for one of many reasons, mainly the FBI not finding any ecidence, beleive that because his behavior was odd, that a group like ISIS would not have much to do with him -becasue of his oddities

Would you explain why you steadfastly reject the idea that this was at least in part Muslim terrorism? I don't mean site facts, I mean why?

Do you think it would detract from the gay victims? Or the seriousness of hate crimes against gays? Or do you think it is important that this NOT be labeled as foreign inspired terrorism? There are a whole lot of people that have very good reasons for wanting this labeled "homegrown, lone wolf" domestic terrorism and that is well recognized. The label effects the potential "remedies".

Why do you feel so strongly that this must strictly be labeled as a gay hate crime and other motives MUST be rejected?
 
  • #738
(It's 5am here...no lunesta? Or are you just waking up? :heart: )

(All nighter here, :offtobed: TGIS )

Thats funny , just waking up. Its easier to stay caught up if I see what is happening and what my fellow WS ers have been thinking while I was Lunesta ing away. INteresting that you mention it however, I rarely do that but I had to take a chip of one pill after the regular dose - just was not happening

Not trying to be gross but from statements yesterday:

I could stop ruminating about what it must have reallybeen in like there and for some reason it was more intense -- like notions of the reality was. It was more like auditory and olfactory.

Just the smells had to be gruesome - the one guy who said the smell of the drying blood was horrible was hideous. They took out a AC unit had to grueling heat, sweat, some other body functions that happen when one passes, and the smell of gun powder.

Catching on to the reality, those KIDS in the bathroom watched people slowly die, while sitting cramped with corpses.

Do not remember the exact number (it was the guy who took the inside bathroom video) it was like there 17 in there, and only 5 survived. I think watching 12 people die over a three hour peroid has got to hideous

It was a bar, there was drinking, can you imagine what that would be like to be drunk, had no food , in may instances no water and going through all this.

Bleeding results in great thirst.

I think another statement yesterday , from a cop who first went in after he was dead, impacted me intensily ....when he walked in he thought a lot of people were playing dead, or shot but still alive, He said loudly like "its OK its over lets get you out". He waited Said it again. THen he said it took him a bit to realize that noone responded becausw noone remained alive.

Its just not that big a place . Nine died afterwards, so that means that he was looking at 40 deceased young people. I am not "angry" at LE. But the reality here has got to be that if he did not do that hostage cr(p, there would have been a lot less fatilities. When I went down there the hospital was super close.

There was creepy stuff. he said it was like time had instantly stopped. You could see tabs with money on them. Apparently a staff member (I assume) was eating - half a sandwhich sitting on bar. Broken booze bottles. . A round of drinks that looked as if they had just been made and left there. I got an image of a cash register open.

Half finished drinks, glasses smashed on the floor, cell phones going nuts, (that sounds horrible - but think of all the crazy different ring tones- (had to be just a chaotic "sound") the little disco ball was still going, there was a tv running, holes in the walls,from the breaches bathroom tiles all over the place, glass everywhere,some light here and there. A water pipe burst during the breach. The mess from that .....

And that triggered this:

The stop in time notion, is exactly what I experined when Vice aired like a 34 minute unedited video of MH17. Took my breath away. Because they fell from the air, a lot of them were intact, not very bloody.

The looked like "frozen " people.

It looked like still photos on video. Think about that for a second. It was unreal

Everyone of them had a facial expression frozen. In some instances it was like hands cluched. Some wide eyed. Some like ka plumb face down and arms and legs out. Some still in seats with the chair legs on them . Some seats had like oxygen masks, electrical wiring all over the place. One in a seat had his arm in the air. Lots of bruising.

I remember thinking (this sounds really weird) this would be different if they were all like Ameircan - just becasue Malaysians have some different facial features where the facial expressions would , I think, been more "understandable", if that makes sense.

Until that moment my notion was just like body parts. It was very shocking cause it was not like that at all. Clusters of people that were like in all sorts of postions, all over, and under, and sideways on each other. Some far away and alone out is a field . Some in the clusters were face up, some face down, some sideways. A "mound" of people if you will..

Extremities were in contorted and flat bizaire postions.

It was a rough attempt to sleep...................

I got the camera cord yesterday, but was emotionally unavailable to see if I could get some of the pics on here for you guys. Will try today.
 
  • #739
I think our politicians don't want to admit this was terrorism because they're more invested in social engineering and covering their own butts than they are in telling us common plebs the truth. Look at all the times he was reported and I'm betting the authorities dismissed the reporters as islamaphobes. You know what though you still have to call a spade a shovel sometimes. This was terrorism, people around him knew what he was planning, other people thought he was suspicious and did the right thing and called it in, and the system failed big time and now 49 innocent people are dead.
 
  • #740
I wonder if the Muslim man who is the head of the trauma center there in Orlando is terrified for his family and himself now?

I wonder if everytime he or his family leaves the house he thinks some person who has been stirred into a frenzy over Muslims will attack him or his family?
 
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