FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #5

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  • #401
So the lover is making it up as well as the hotel that says OM was there?

I am so surprised , this far out, people being unable to believe he was a gay man living dual lives.

I met many married men in the bars, much more in the bathhouses. - a lot in the bathhouses.


Do they announce formally that a grand jury is being is formed, or is it like sudden.There are conflicting versions out there, have they started or in the thinking phase?


moo moo the lover struck me as totally creditable, he waited and waited, was tortured about revealing, etc etc. Touching actually. He is of foreign (not sure where) and finally revealed casue he needed the world to know that it was it not terrorism

Makes total sense imo, not to want your cuture blamed for the worst atrocity thus far, when it had nothing to do with his religion moo
 
  • #402
I'm not sure if I can post the photo now that I cannot find the actual link...but in the video taken of inside the killer's home there is a calendar on the side of the fridge...On June 7th...there appears to have "D Day" written? Maybe it is a P?

D-Day is June 6th. Ramadan began on June 7th.
 
  • #403
That's fair, but I'm thinking it's about 95% likely she understood that a bag of guns can kill people or she wouldn't have tried to talk him out of it in the first place. she'd have just told LE she saw him leaving with guns.


Or you may have been too worried about bleeding to death or in horrible pain or trying to survive to video anything, or more worried about assisting your friends who were close to death. Or you could have not wanted to p**** off a madman with a gun by taping his every move. I can't imagine why on earth you'd want to keep that memory on film, and I wouldn't be thinking of making recordings to give to TMZ if I were in the midst of such a truly horrifying situation. There are about 101 videos of the scene outside, which makes perfect sense to me because the ones taking those videos generally weren't directly involved in the tragedy.


Very true, but I think most people were regulars so they'd likely be aware of the security cameras already. I'm thinking there may be a few that took video for evidence, but most probably were busy just trying to stay alive and assumed the police knew who the shooter was and let the security cameras do their job..



BBM
Nope. If they were referring to the window period in which the virus can be detected, it takes three months after exposure for you to be 97% sure that you don't have HIV. It can take up to six mos for the virus to show itself in some people, but people that take that long for the virus to be detected in a test tend to have other problems (cancer, lupus, whatever else immune system-related). If you mean how long does it take to get your results, it depends. They have instant tests now that take a few minutes, and they have traditional tests they send out that take longer to get the results, about a week or two, I believe.

Btw, I find this story to be complete hogwash. Of course I have heard of these "down low" men contracting HIV because they don't want to admit they're gay or don't want to carry condoms to raise suspicion, but come on. His wife was definitely not wearing the pants in this family. With all the rumors of Mateen being an abusive bully (which are 100% believable, btw) I doubt she'd have noticed or dared to say anything if she did if he kept a box of condoms in his car. Not to mention this fellow is "stocky". Nothing against full-figured people (I could lose more than a few myself, believe me), but Mateen strikes me as about as vain as they come. I would think he'd want a nice fit "friend with benefits" that shared his love of fitness.

I definitely think OM may have had gay leanings, but I think he was too ashamed of those feelings to have actually done something about it. I think these claims of him being on all these gay apps are just cases of mistaken identity at best, at worst outright lying for 15 minutes of fame. We've already had the officials at one app come out (sorry!!) with the information that they cannot find any proof of OM having a profile, and one person has already been proven to be a phony that made a fake screenshot to look like OM sent it when he never even had an account. A bunch of witnesses say he was a regular at Pulse, which I totally buy. The ones claiming he was a regular say he talked about his wife, ex-wife, father, and kid. None yet, IIRC, have said he came on to them, just that he got drunk and weird.I fail to see how someone that was supposedly so ashamed of his secret gay trysts would plaster his face all over gay apps. If you've ever looked at one of those gross apps, e.g. Tinder, Grindr, Hot or Not, etc, you'd see that more often than not it's someone showing off their body trying to get laid. I'd think he'd be like half the people there that post a bunch of body pics to hide their identity if he did have an account on one of those apps, so no one would have ever known they were talking to him at all unless they'd actually met him.


I think it's pretty much common knowledge that they screen donated blood to the moon and back
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I can't imagine anyone with HIV trying to infect people by giving blood when they know it would be immediately thrown out, not to mention that if he had HIV he wouldn't want a random blood bank to know. IMO if he truly wanted to get revenge on all gays because one gave him HIV, he could pass it to about 20 or more in one week by posting a picture of his muscles on Grindr.


He is not thinking, feeling clearly.
His brain ,imo , is sprialing.
He is in the middle of an acute manic episode - might have hit psychos dont know yet

[FONT=&amp]A manic episode is characterized by period of at least 1 week where an elevated, expansive or unusually irritable mood, as well as notably persistent goal-directed activity is present. The mood disturbance associated with manic symptoms should be observable by others guy at the gate,wife,mother(e.g., friends or relatives of the individual) and must be uncharacteristic of the individual’s usua l state/behavior.

These feelings must be sufficiently severe to cause difficulty or impairment in occupational, lifelong social, lifelong leducational lifelong or other important functioning.

Symptoms also cannot be the result of substance use or abuse (e.g., alcohol, drugs, medications) or caused by a general medical condition. Three or more of the following symptoms must be present:[/FONT]


  • Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity def a narcissit
  • Decreased need for sleep (e.g., one feels rested after only 3 hours of sleep)
  • More talkative than usual or pressure to keep talking
  • Flight of ideas or subjective experience that thoughts are racing
  • Attention is easily drawn to unimportant or irrelevant items



  • Increase in goal-directed activity (either socially, at work or school, or sexually) or psychomotor agitation: sell house, do insurance,buy jewelry, bur airline tickets, shave body,do gay days twice, flutter of intense internet ISIS searching,driving to pulse several times, going to mosque with his son,getting one gun, on sex aps visiting wiht his father, getting another gun,trying to get a vest. He is working all this time, . And thiese activiteies are only what we have discovered what he had been doing. He obviously is not sleeping
  • Excessive involvement in pleasurable activities that have a high potential for painful consequences (e.g., engaging in unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions, or foolish business investments)
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  • #404
I'm not sure if I can post the photo now that I cannot find the actual link...but in the video taken of inside the killer's home there is a calendar on the side of the fridge...On June 7th...there appears to have "D Day" written? Maybe it is a P?

Oh, PS! The image is too big to put in a comment (at least for me) but you can see it here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nside-home-Orlando-terrorist-Omar-Mateen.html

And here:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016...D_Day_on_a_Mickey_and_M-a-8_1465843592172.jpg
 
  • #405
Thinking about it, I have come to realize that our government just does not have the tools and enforcement of laws already in place to stop any terrorist. OUR defenders hands are tied.
Right from the top of those who have sworn to protect us. Right from the top.

I am pretty angry that as a small business owner of less then 8 employees that I have been audited over 13 times over the last 9 years.
Yes. That is true and I'm tired.

Why are illegals pouring into our country without any vetting?
Why spend money attacking small businesses, in the USA, instead of spending money to keep us safe?

I really do not know the Why.
I just know the it is happening, every single day.

I don't think illegals can get,in the country without vetting. They just come. If you mean immigrants, Britskate had an excellent explanation of how immigration works.

Here is an article re audits. You may wish to contact an attorney.

http://law.freeadvice.com/tax_law/i...s-busiess-and-personal-income-tax-returns.htm
 
  • #406
Oh my goodness...that's right. Thanks so much.
 
  • #407
I've been watching live and I couldn't be more proud of what he and others are trying to do. IMO

Watching C-Span right now and I'm proud of all of them.
 
  • #408
What a total crock!

[FONT=&quot]was only psychologically tested by the security company he worked for one time — nine years ago,[/FONT]the Guardian reported exclusively Tuesday[FONT=&quot]. G4S records reviewed by the news outlet showed Mateen got an "above average rating" on the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory test

There is no such thing as an [/FONT][FONT=&quot]"[/FONT]above average rating"[FONT=&quot] ! Maybe showed nothing to notice nine years ago but saying someone got an above average rating on the MMPI ..........................

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Here is what the results look like

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[/FONT]http://www.ibtimes.com/was-omar-mateen-mentally-ill-orlando-shooters-employer-psychologically-evaluated-him-2382371
 
  • #409
What a total crock!

[FONT=&quot]was only psychologically tested by the security company he worked for one time — nine years ago,[/FONT]the Guardian reported exclusively Tuesday[FONT=&quot]. G4S records reviewed by the news outlet showed Mateen got an "above average rating" on the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory test

There is no such thing as an [/FONT][FONT=&quot]"[/FONT]above average rating"[FONT=&quot] ! Maybe showed nothing to notice nine years ago but saying someone got an above average rating on the MMPI ..........................

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Here is what the results look like

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[/FONT]http://www.ibtimes.com/was-omar-mateen-mentally-ill-orlando-shooters-employer-psychologically-evaluated-him-2382371

Isn't the MMPI the one with statements like I enjoy being outdoors or I like reading woodworking magazines? I thought that was more of a personality predictor than an IQ test.
 
  • #410
Supposed to help finding people with issues of the mind
 
  • #411
IMO, What we are getting confused is the goal of "terrorism" first and foremost, is to draw attn to or change our policies. Core goal of a "terrorist" attack"

These mass shootings they had no "agenda - they were personal .

----Batman------ was thre Joker, doing what the Joker does, There was no want /need /desire to change a govt policy - mass murder , not a terrorist attack.Motivation key. Result: Terror

----Virgina Tech---- Untreated mental illiness. There was no want /need /desire to change a govt policy - mass murder , not a terrorist attack.Motivation key. . Result: Terror

-----Sandy Hook------undiagnosed schizophrenia. There was no want /need /desire to change a govt policy - mass murder , not a terrorist attack.Motivation key. . Result: Terror

----Washington Navy Yard---- belief that he was being controlled or influenced by radio waves. There was no want /need /desire to change a govt policy - mass murder , not a terrorist attack.Motivation key. . Result: Terror

-------Lubys Cafiteria -----motivation --He hated blacks, Hispanics, gays. He said women were snakes" and "always had derogatory remarks about women, especially after fights with his mothe--passed over men to shoot women. There was no want /need /desire to change a govt policy - mass murder , not a terrorist attack.Motivation key. Result: Terror

----The tv anchors-----
motivation revenge and jeolousy , and feeling inferior. There was no want /need /desire to change a govt policy - mass murder , not a terrorist attack.Motivation key. Result: Terror

----Charleston---- --Motivation disdain for AA. There was no want /need /desire to change a govt policy - mass murder , not a terrorist attack.Motivation key. Result: Terror

---Pulse----Motivtation self hatred/revenge. There was no want /need /desire to change a govt policy - mass murder , not a terrorist attack.Motivation key. Result: Terror
What is happening now is they are putting the religion of the shooter, in terms of importance, over the motivation for the act

All mass shootings terrorize. So do serial killers. Rapists.These are the resultant consequences . Eat too muct get fat. Same thing moo
 
  • #412
Hi Cariis.


I don't agree that the goal of "terrorism" is regime change or change of government policies.

The stated goal of Islamic terrorists is to kill infidels. They want to KILL us, because our religion is not the same as theirs, and they believe that their deity commands them to kill non believers. They also want to KILL all moderate Muslims, because they perceive that they are not sufficiently devout enough. Their ideology commands them to kill apostates.

OM stated allegiance and loyalty to this cause, and its leader. He believed he was doing his deity's bidding by shooting over 100 people at a nightclub. He may have been conflicted, perpetually aggrieved and angry, and gay, which may have contributed to his motivations to kill. But his primary motivation to commit mass murder as a terrorist act is his belief and loyalty to the ideology of the radical Islamic terrorist cause, and KILL. He said so himself. He studied the ideology carefully, and carried out his loyal plan in a detailed manner, right down to shaving his body hair so he would be "clean" and purified when he met his deity. He intended to die, IMO.

It's the killing of the apostates and non believers that precede the goal of "global theocratic domination".

There is no negotiating with that ideology. That is why they have to be utterly eliminated with military force, IMO.

Terrorists don't "snap" and go from being normal, to radicalized, overnight. There are clear signs. This is another case where the signs were clear, but was grossly mishandled, due to the enforced ideology of our potus, and his policies that have produced a disorganized and impotent terrorism monitoring system. IMO.
 
  • #413
Congress recessing for July 4!! This is such an important bill (barf) -oppppsss vacation time! Dont ya all wish your July 4 vacation lasted 16 days.

Lets hope something nucelar does not happen near one of their extended vacations!!

Laughing stock of the world IMo, this was not even a terrorist attack and this is the one that causes them to finally act. Even tho it is useless. Won't imo change a darm thing.

While ignoring the authentic realaity that there are so many already out there. Look at weed. Less violence out there when legal.

Look at prohibition!

THe irony here is it is an attempt to reduce violence! Folks that are at the point IMO where they are prepping to do a mass shooting, are not really law abiding folks!

They will get one!

Terrorists connected with ISIS can easily get them .

So where are we going? Gonna have to wait , this will pass, and when the next one happends it will start again!

IMO unless we address the core the reason (bombing their families/mental illiness/disenfrachment wear a bullet proof vest!!

This bill is all election time dance. Makes people feel better- while doing nothing to address the problem e moo
 
  • #414
Hi Cariis.


I don't agree that the goal of "terrorism" is regime change or change of government policies.

The stated goal of Islamic terrorists is to kill infidels. They want to KILL us, because our religion is not the same as theirs, and they believe that their deity commands them to kill non believers. They also want to KILL all moderate Muslims, because they perceive that they are not sufficiently devout enough. Their ideology commands them to kill apostates.

OM stated allegiance and loyalty to this cause, and its leader. He believed he was doing his deity's bidding by shooting over 100 people at a nightclub. He may have been conflicted, perpetually aggrieved and angry, and gay, which may have contributed to his motivations to kill. But his primary motivation to commit mass murder as a terrorist act is his belief and loyalty to the ideology of the radical Islamic terrorist cause, and KILL. He said so himself. He studied the ideology carefully, and carried out his loyal plan in a detailed manner, right down to shaving his body hair so he would be "clean" and purified when he met his deity. He intended to die, IMO.



It's the killing of the apostates and non believers that precede the goal of "global theocratic domination".

There is no negotiating with that ideology. That is why they have to be utterly eliminated with military force, IMO.

Terrorists don't "snap" and go from being normal, to radicalized, overnight. There are clear signs. This is another case where the signs were clear, but was grossly mishandled, due to the enforced ideology of our potus, and his policies that have produced a disorganized and impotent terrorism monitoring system. IMO.

Hi!
What was IRA goal? Isreal conflict?

Totally disagree! OM motivations were , in the follwoing order ; IMO internalized homophobia, acute mental illiness, Duel dx, revenge.

He is 29, and was fully aware that social media is scrutinized after both a mass murder and terror attack.

He was fully aware that his electronic footprint certainly is not a radicalized terrorist. Hence the need for multiple declarations of his ISIS motivation near the end of his life.

WIth his Mulim upbringing and his father, what he is going to announce to the world that he got exposed to Hiv, and is really pissed off about it. He has been attracked to Latino men and they rejected him?

The role his lifelong mental illiness has in this will slowly emerge, that comes up number two on the list

Can you imagine the San Bern folks guarding american govt buildings for a living!

The Fort Hood dude was being treated for mental illiness. Suicide is a result of mental illiness, whereas blowing yourself up is martyr. Flying airplanes into immovable buildings is martyr.

Suicide is very prohibited in Muslim culture. Walking into a hail of bullets is suicide by cop but not suicide in the shaming way of Muslim faith.

IMO 911/San Bern were authentic Islasmic terrorists. London bombings, Madrid, Brazil. Paris for sure, both times.

The irony here IMO, is by making mass shooters into terrorists, allows Americans as a society not to address the mental illiness issues that are escalating as result of $$ cuts.

If we make the problem external Muslim, and not keep it here, mental illiness, then it really is not our fault.

If one looks back, in the earlier mass shootings the focus was mental illiness. But as a society we ignored that reality and here are today.

The notion that the Muslim religion is about killing infidels, is such a small % of the Muslim religion. There are 1.6 billion human beings who follow the faith. The notion that that is a real compnent of the faith, is not borne out by the number of folks who practice the faith without machine guns!

It is also a way for us to dodge the role our wars have in this. How fond would you be of a country who murders your mom,dad,sister,grandmother,grandfather, aunts, uncles, nepwhews, neices, friends,living spaces,food and water supplies,?

That IMO is the reason for the escalating hate. Folks tend to get pretty upset when generations of their family members are slaughtered.

We dont look like hypocrites?? - with the CHeney torture stuff? But expect others to be humane? God knows what we dont know what else CHeneys gang did! Barbaric.

The esential truth here is :

What we call war, they call terror
What we call terror, they call war

What is the difference between a terrrosit killing 12, or one of our shoulder missles killing 12? I find none. Are Americans pissed about Paris, you bet. Are they pissed about our activities in their homeland, you bet!

They are not thinking we are at terror wiht Americans !
They believe they are at war with Americans

moo!
 
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Hi Cariis.


I don't agree that the goal of "terrorism" is regime change or change of government policies.

The stated goal of Islamic terrorists is to kill infidels. They want to KILL us, because our religion is not the same as theirs, and they believe that their deity commands them to kill non believers. They also want to KILL all moderate Muslims, because they perceive that they are not sufficiently devout enough. Their ideology commands them to kill apostates.

OM stated allegiance and loyalty to this cause, and its leader. He believed he was doing his deity's bidding by shooting over 100 people at a nightclub. He may have been conflicted, perpetually aggrieved and angry, and gay, which may have contributed to his motivations to kill. But his primary motivation to commit mass murder as a terrorist act is his belief and loyalty to the ideology of the radical Islamic terrorist cause, and KILL. He said so himself. He studied the ideology carefully, and carried out his loyal plan in a detailed manner, right down to shaving his body hair so he would be "clean" and purified when he met his deity. He intended to die, IMO.

It's the killing of the apostates and non believers that precede the goal of "global theocratic domination".

There is no negotiating with that ideology. That is why they have to be utterly eliminated with military force, IMO.

Terrorists don't "snap" and go from being normal, to radicalized, overnight. There are clear signs. This is another case where the signs were clear, but was grossly mishandled, due to the enforced ideology of our potus, and his policies that have produced a disorganized and impotent terrorism monitoring system. IMO.
This is a very good post! Ty.

His being gay and ashamed of it because of his religion, gave him a clear target. I do believe the two are intertwined, gay/radicalized, and together it was the "perfect storm".

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  • #417
Hiya CARIIS,

Great job on the gay angle. *Kiss*.
I still think he's a terrorist though...

Hmmm. I'm not sure of that friendly fire. But I am sure that if the police didn't push forward shooting at this point, the killer would have finished off the survivors and that young man wouldn't be on TV telling his story.

Enjoying your posts as usual.

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Seeking to give those affected by the mass shooting at Pulse nightclub a place to go for support services, the city of Orlando and Orange County will open a new facility called the Orlando United Assistance Center.

It replaces the city's Family Assistance Center set up at Camping World Stadium in the days after massacre as a temporary hub for services ranging from grief counseling to funeral arrangements.

"Our community is transitioning out of the immediate response phase of this horrific tragedy," the statement said. "Now we must look at the long-term recovery needs of the victims, including all those who were impacted."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ing-orlando-united-center-20160622-story.html
 
  • #420
Apologies if this was already linked. I ignored the politics, but there is interesting info about OM, by a Muslim man who reported him to the FBI.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...trump-is-wrong-that-muslims-dont-do-our-part/

This is an interesting bit of information (BBM):

After my talk with the FBI, I spoke to people in the Islamic community, including Omar, about Moner’s attack. I wondered how he could have radicalized. Both Omar and I attended the same mosque as Moner, and the imam never taught hate or radicalism. That’s when Omar told me he had been watching videos of Awlaki, too, which immediately raised red flags for me. He told me the videos were very powerful.

After speaking with Omar, I contacted the FBI again to let them know that Omar had been watching Awlaki’s tapes. He hadn’t committed any acts of violence and wasn’t planning any, as far as I knew. And I thought he probably wouldn’t, because he didn’t fit the profile: He already had a second wife and a son. But it was something agents should keep their eyes on. I never heard from them about Omar again, but apparently they did their job: They looked into him and, finding nothing to go on, they closed the file.

It seems to me that Mateen's radicalization process began at least as early as 2014 rather than recently.
 
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