FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #5

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North, South Florida vastly different in attitudes toward LGBT community
Miami Beach Gay Pride


By BRENDAN FARRINGTON
Associated Press


“When it comes to attitudes toward the LGBT community, North and South Florida couldn't be more different”

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...north-south-florida-lgbt-attitudes-story.html

“Florida's Key West is one of the most gay-friendly places in the country. The Florida Panhandle — many locals call it the Redneck Riviera — is a different story.

The massacre of 49 people in a gay nightclub happened between these extremes, forcing many Floridians to reconsider their assumptions about the state's evolving culture.

Key West has a gay police chief, a lesbian county mayor and was the nation's first city to elect an openly gay mayor. It attracts 450,000 gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender tourists a year. Bumper stickers reading "One Human Family" appear on all city vehicles, including police cars, ambulances and fire trucks.

"It's a safe place; they know that they are free from judgment, free from hassle, free from physical violence," said Guy Ross, who heads LGBT sales at the Monroe County Tourist Development Council. "We do not tolerate gay bashing down here. It just doesn't happen."

Drive 780 miles north and west to the gleaming, white-sand beaches of the Panhandle, and you'll find "family friendly" towns that aren't known for welcoming gays.”​

Much more...
 
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Whether owners rebuild is uncertain. Financial interests, property values and business prospects will all likely play a role in decisions regarding the future of a building now known as the site of the largest mass shooting in U.S. history.

Sara Brady, a spokesperson for the building owners, said she also understood one of the law enforcement groups had contracted with a company to do the cleanup. She stressed that owners are interested in continuing the "mission" of the club, which catered to gay and lesbian clientele, but had not committed to rebuild it.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...do-shooting-pulse-cleanup-20160614-story.html

Clean-up/repair issues aside, stigma can attach itself to buildings where mass acts of violence occur.

The building in Waco, Texas that housed the Twin Peaks restaurant remains unoccupied and on the market more than a year later.

No one died inside that building and from what is currently known, only a single shot was fired from the patio into the parking lot.

In the case of that building, location isn't always "everything."

I'd like to think I could dance in the Pulse building in the spirit of those who were expressing the joy of living thru dance that night, but I don't know that I could actually do so.

I think the aura of the horror they experienced would probably keep me away.
 
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Basic story is about Tim Tebow visiting a high school classmate injured in the shooting, but the friend's description of that night made me cry (again).


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-nfl-qb-tim-tebow-rodney-sumter-wounded-orlando-massacre/


The two hobbled their way to police at the scene.
"So the police officer turned to me and said, 'Okay, this is what the deal is. You're going to lay down in the back of that cop car and he's going to lay on top of you, and I want you to bear hug him and try to keep all the pressure on him as you can.' So I did," McGill said. "And they were like 'Also, like keep him conscious.'"
McGill held Sumter all the way to the hospital.
 
  • #425
"It's a safe place; they know that they are free from judgment, free from hassle, free from physical violence," said Guy Ross, who heads LGBT sales at the Monroe County Tourist Development Council. "We do not tolerate gay bashing down here. It just doesn't happen."

Drive 780 miles north and west to the gleaming, white-sand beaches of the Panhandle, and you'll find "family friendly" towns that aren't known for welcoming gays.”[/INDENT]

Much more...


I have vacationed on the "red neck riviera" for years. Yes, many of the local people there are religous conservatives.

The writer of the article appears to suggest that for one to "welcome" anybody, in this case gays, one must also actively affirm sexual expressions "A", "B" and "C". No, many residents of the panhandle are not going to give those affirmations.

At the same time, gays visiting north Florida towns (sans affirmations of homosexuality in many cases) are far safer than gays visiting "tolerant" Chicago. In fact, I have suspiscion that not only is gay bashing more common in "tolerant" Chicago, but a disproportionate number of people committing those crimes vote for progressive politicians.. Of course, I cant prove my suspiscions.

Strangely, the writer of this article, though willing to make generalizations about Christians in north Florida would probably go into a hissy fit if someone were to make generalizations about mosque goers. Then again, biased people are not known for objective thinking.

Getting off of my soap box now..... .
 
  • #426
Were safe -- mostly spell checked!

This attack has led to endless references to San Bern terrorist attack, so I decided to refresh my memory in a kind compare and contrast mode; Here is what I found.

According to links below :


They spent at least a year preparing- OM bought a couple of guns the weeks before,indicating impulsive (congruent with mental illness , as opposed to a Jihad attack years in the making. i.e Paris.


What was their lifestyle like as it relates to Muslim cultural practices.?


She was born in Pakistan... OM New York..Ms. Milk returned to Pakistan ...... University in Multan, the area a center of support for extremist jihads groups, including Lasher-e-Tibia.. He took a Holiday with his parents to the middle east. According to the FBI it was a Holiday with his parents. MOO


.She chose not to drive voluntarily per custom. OM is cruising to gay bars 90 minutes away. According to Muslim beliefs she prohibited anyone from seeing her face... because she always kept it covered in their presence. Sued did’t want any fathers or brothers or brothers-in-law in the same room when she would also be there.

Om was posting his face all over gay sex sites, hoping to participate in, what the Muslim culture would describe as a big sin.. In addition, OM, as we have seen in different media pictures, Omar seemed quite up to date on the latest western fashion for his American age related counterparts MOO.


She prayed five times a day,.and . and maintained Muslim traditions in terms of fasting. He, like many Americans were running to GNC. As far as OM goes, we have conflicting information, as it relates to time periods in his life, regarding his prayer activities. This is totally congruent with bipolar symptoms. Feeling either very depressed (exaggerate feelings of shame and guilt) deep depression also results in profound periods of isolation and withdrawal, corresponding to his absence of prayer during portions of his life. MOO


Many saw no evidence of religion and or praying for long periods in his life. This too makes sense in that religion resulted in much of his shame and guilt. Makes sense he would spend a lot of his years not wanting to have anything to do with his religion because of the anguish, as a gay Muslim, he experienced when engaging in its teachings.


In other descriptions of him he is described as frequently praying. - exactly what one would expect during the manic phases of bipolar disorder. Goal directed behaviors. Feverishly. Much like his frenzied search one night on ISIS stuff online the first week in June. The guy at the guard gate also deiscribed another event in which he spent an entire evening researching meds. WIth no sleep. Picture mania like a movie where it sped up. MOO


The Sana Bern guys, over a long period of time (before they were engaged) relentlessly sent each other , messages,expressing a commitment to jihadism and martyrdom..Mr. Fa rook had posted profiles on Muslim dating websites. OM on line activity consisted of grinder and looking for gay bars.


During their attack they were in full terrorist wardrobe ; masks and military-style vests, load-bearing vests holding magazines and ammunition. OM was in a pair of American made blue jeans, a t shirt and a gun. MOO

They used assault rifles, variants of the .223-caliber AR-15 rifle, both showed signs of having been illegally modified. OM used a legally purchased assault weapon as sold.


The couple turned part of the house into a bomb-making factory. ..... where they found 12 completed pipe bombs ........... and a stockpile of thousands of rounds of ammunition.,

In their home they found several issues of Al Quada "Inspire magazine. In one edition , they used the how to make murder weapons section with the emphasis on the feature article , “Designing a Timed Hand Grenade,.” This piece had step-by-step instructions for making a delayed igniter with a Christmas tree lamps. Christmas tree lights were found in the home. Apparently they did not follow the instructions in the publication in that these failed to work as promised in the terrorist publication.

They found another edition of the publication in the home. Apparently they subscribed! From this edition they focused on the feature which provided schematics on making remote controlled devices, which can be activated by remote control, from the car These ISIS terrorists were hoping the devices would blow up emergency personal to smithereens upon their arrival by activatig them from their car. Multiple copies of the Koran was found scattered about their home.

I might guess Omars reading selection was the monthly gay travel guide! MOO

The San Bern folks went to great lengths to destroy their electronics. and tried to erase their electronic footprints, smashing etc... using a.“burner phone,” meant to be used for a short time and discarded, OM left his phone at the scene, aparently not concerned if authorities got hands on it.

In OM home they found pictures of the family on the fridge, western wall hangings, , and a couple of rooms decked out in the American motion picture Star Wars motif. There was an abundance of American perfumes, a closet adorned in Western clothing. MOO

The living room had very typical furniture found in homes across this nation. In the kitchen there was wide assortment of Kellogg's cereal products. In the sons rooms what would probably be considered, by many, was a spoiled child. MOOHis room was abundant in toys all American children enjoy. .

Americas addiction to baseball caps adorned the child's walls. A poster with the slogan "Be someone you would be proud to be" with 4 American children jumping for joy, in American attire was on Omar's sons wall. We should also take note of the weights on the floor and his attendance to the gym. IMO They assimilated to our culture. I do not know but I do not think Muslims are that into gyms.


During their attack they posted on FB their allegiance to ISIS. This was one of the first copy cat things OM did that night - he also posted an allegiance to ISIS on his page. The second copy cat deal he used was that there were people outside wearing vests (like the Paris attackers). He also copied the Boston folks by claiming there were bombs outside.MOO


i....can...........not...........................i magine...........the...........San Bern guys..............................vocationally.... ..................guarding....................an.. .........
American.......................................... ...building!

MOO


Unlike OM , at no time did the San Bern guys get confused with "whom" they were going to die for that day.

IMO, there is no correlation at all. This was a ,IMO a mass shooting fueled by revenge, self hate , and jeualousy.Much Like Charleston, its orgins, mental illiness, rage racism,and internalized homophobia

Moo

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us...366bstate.html


http://www.bustle.com/articles/12459...t-to-the-world


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_S...nardino_attack
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I've heard/read about the killer celebrating 9/11 when he was in high school, who knows when he became radicalized for sure. I understand some people don't believe he was radicalized at all, but IMO he was.
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/orlando-terrorist-said-america-deserved-911-former-classmates-say/

Another media myth! What actually happened on 911 was his class mates stated teased him about being Muslum on that day - he jumped up... One classmate wrote that Mateen “stood up in class during the 9/11 attack ..... were discriminating against him and teasing him because he was Muslim.


[FONT=&quot]As it's been reported ... Mateen also shocked high school classmates on 9/11 by bragging that Osama bin Laden was his uncle.

Not quite oriented to reality

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Tonight (Thursday) after 10:30 PM Eastern listen to the latest True Crime Radio with world-renowned body language expert Dr. Lillian Glass.

Dr. Glass will discuss the latest Orlando shooting and other current events.

Go to http://www.spreaker.com/user/triciag after 10:30 PM Eastern tonight to listen to the show.

Tricia
 
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Tonight (Thursday) after 10:30 PM Eastern listen to the latest True Crime Radio with world-renowned body language expert Dr. Lillian Glass.

Dr. Glass will discuss the latest Orlando shooting and other current events.

Go to http://www.spreaker.com/user/triciag after 10:30 PM Eastern tonight to listen to the show.

Tricia

Thank you!!
 
  • #430
Hiya CARIIS,

Great job on the gay angle. *Kiss*.
I still think he's a terrorist though...

Hmmm. I'm not sure of that friendly fire. But I am sure that if the police didn't push forward shooting at this point, the killer would have finished off the survivors and that young man wouldn't be on TV telling his story.

Enjoying your posts as usual.

Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

Hi my ninj!!

Lovin yours as well!!

What I dont understand about his (victim) account is he said when he came out of the breach, he started firing AT LE . He then said then LE started shooting at HIM Omar. Trajectory, Omar away from the breach, and LE toward the at Omar toward the breach, which is where the victim. was.

LE was aiming toward the victim near Omar...he said "that was when I was shot". There are like 28 missed shots(holes in the wall where Om exited). How could it be OM when he was aiming down the road??

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kinda peculiar that there has been no dialog about the resident that lived where he was a guard who stated that he changed his apperance that day, and described him stating to him as being agitated, Omar self reported to this stranger , that he had not slept becasue he spent the entire night before looking up anti psycotics online?

Five flavors of bipolar. Each unique and different. He moved in and out of them as he got older.

It's helpful to think of bipolar psychosis as lying on a continuum of severity from left to right. On the left side, where there is no psychosis, symptoms can range from mild to severe mania and depression. Those on the left side of the continuum may be very ill, but they have not lost touch with reality and there are no hallucinations or delusions.

When pressed, the person can at least admit there may be an illness involved and that their thinking is different from the norm. In the middle of this line is a gray area where over 50% of bipolar symptoms move into psychosis. When a person hits this gray area, they start to become unrealistic and eventually bizarre in their thinking.



Telling a total stranger, out of blue that he spent the whole night looking up anti psycotics is rather bizarie behaviors.

Obviously his behavior had become increasingly erratic, his wife never said dont go shoot up Pulse. She said "do not do anything violent". So she seems to have some concerns about his increasingly violent behavior.

Mothers tend not to , in the middle of the night , check up on 29 year old sons. Obviouly , she too knew something was about to go very bad.

When pressed, the person can at least admit there may be an illness involved and that their thinking is different from the norm.Obvilousy, that night ,he got to that realization, and began looking up drugs that might change what he had been experinceing the previous two weeks.


Before a mass shooting, is not sleeping (mania) the night before ,looking at medication that can help one not be psycotic??

In the middle of the worst mass shooting in history he is on the phone continuing his discussion with a friend regarding medication is congruent with the night before - no?

His behavior in the gun store was "off" enough for someone to refuse to make a sale and profit!!

He know he has a machine gun in his van- yet he thinks he has to go pay the cover to get in? I kinda think a machine gun would grant me entry without paying a cover charge!! Kinda a given!


Buying three airplane tickets the day before he was gonna brutally murder a bunch of gay people, indicates that in fact he was psycotic/delusional -- not in touch with reality - in that it indicates , apparently he truly believed he was gonna escape , and in a month then his wife and son would join him on a vacation is not oriented to reality at any level - its totally delusinal IMO

In the middle of holding human hostages , he goes off on a "racial" discussion of how he feels about African AMericans is not reality based.

His explaining , in the middle of all this, that he understands "what they have been through" -- if that is not a projection I can not come up with a better example!!

Rushing toward LE firing away at cops - outcome is pretty clear - suicide - by cop. Its not like they had to come to him, he came to them firing away at SWAT teams. That either indicates one of two things. He was ready to die, or delusional enough to beleive that he , by himself, can kill all the cops and get away with it ?? No contact with reality at all.

Guys......................................moo
 
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I am so surprised , this far out, people being unable to believe he was a gay man living dual lives.

I met many married men in the bars, much more in the bathhouses. - a lot in the bathhouses.


Do they announce formally that a grand jury is being is formed, or is it like sudden.There are conflicting versions out there, have they started or in the thinking phase?


moo moo the lover struck me as totally creditable, he waited and waited, was tortured about revealing, etc etc. Touching actually. He is of foreign (not sure where) and finally revealed casue he needed the world to know that it was it not terrorism

Makes total sense imo, not to want your cuture blamed for the worst atrocity thus far, when it had nothing to do with his religion moo

do you have a link to anything that actually confirmed the guy in a disguise using a fake name that some discredited media outlet paid for an interview actually ever met the shooter?
 
  • #432
The USA does not have a STATE religion. JMO
 
  • #433
humm

The lover was in disguise!

Meanwhile back in Orlando

he assistant state attorney behind a scathing Facebook post about the city of Orlando following the Pulse nightclub terror attacks has been terminated from his position, according to the State Attorney’s Office of the 9th Judicial Circuit.
After the shooting, Kenneth Lewis posted a statement on his Facebook page that read, in part, “The entire city should be leveled. It is void of any redeeming quality,” and, “It is a melting pot of 3rd world miscreants and ghetto ****s.”

charming no?

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/assi...-over-post-about-nightclub-shooting/359603351
 
  • #434
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-gay-fbi-20160623-snap-story.html

But the FBI has found no evidence so far to support claims by those who say Mateen had gay lovers or communicated on gay dating apps, several law enforcement officials said.

So far, they have found no photographs, no text messages, no smartphone apps, no gay 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and no cell-tower location data to suggest that Mateen — who was twice married to women and had a young son — conducted a secret gay life, the officials said.

On Tuesday, Univision aired a report in which “Miguel,” a man wearing a disguise to conceal his identity, alleged he had sex with Mateen after meeting him on the gay dating app, Grindr.

But investigators do not consider the man’s account credible, according to one senior law enforcement official with access to the investigation.
 
  • #435
Hi my ninj!!

Lovin yours as well!!

What I dont understand about his (victim) account is he said when he came out of the breach, he started firing AT LE . He then said then LE started shooting at HIM Omar. Trajectory, Omar away from the breach, and LE toward the at Omar toward the breach, which is where the victim. was.

LE was aiming toward the victim near Omar...he said "that was when I was shot". There are like 28 missed shots(holes in the wall where Om exited). How could it be OM when he was aiming down the road??

+++++

kinda peculiar that there has been no dialog about the resident that lived where he was a guard who stated that he changed his apperance that day, and described him stating to him as being agitated, Omar self reported to this stranger , that he had not slept becasue he spent the entire night before looking up anti psycotics online?

Five flavors of bipolar. Each unique and different. He moved in and out of them as he got older.

It's helpful to think of bipolar psychosis as lying on a continuum of severity from left to right. On the left side, where there is no psychosis, symptoms can range from mild to severe mania and depression. Those on the left side of the continuum may be very ill, but they have not lost touch with reality and there are no hallucinations or delusions.

When pressed, the person can at least admit there may be an illness involved and that their thinking is different from the norm. In the middle of this line is a gray area where over 50% of bipolar symptoms move into psychosis. When a person hits this gray area, they start to become unrealistic and eventually bizarre in their thinking.



Telling a total stranger, out of blue that he spent the whole night looking up anti psycotics is rather bizarie behaviors.

Obviously his behavior had become increasingly erratic, his wife never said dont go shoot up Pulse. She said "do not do anything violent". So she seems to have some concerns about his increasingly violent behavior.

Mothers tend not to , in the middle of the night , check up on 29 year old sons. Obviouly , she too knew something was about to go very bad.

When pressed, the person can at least admit there may be an illness involved and that their thinking is different from the norm.Obvilousy, that night ,he got to that realization, and began looking up drugs that might change what he had been experinceing the previous two weeks.


Before a mass shooting, is not sleeping (mania) the night before ,looking at medication that can help one not be psycotic??

In the middle of the worst mass shooting in history he is on the phone continuing his discussion with a friend regarding medication is congruent with the night before - no?

His behavior in the gun store was "off" enough for someone to refuse to make a sale and profit!!

He know he has a machine gun in his van- yet he thinks he has to go pay the cover to get in? I kinda think a machine gun would grant me entry without paying a cover charge!! Kinda a given!


Buying three airplane tickets the day before he was gonna brutally murder a bunch of gay people, indicates that in fact he was psycotic/delusional -- not in touch with reality - in that it indicates , apparently he truly believed he was gonna escape , and in a month then his wife and son would join him on a vacation is not oriented to reality at any level - its totally delusinal IMO

In the middle of holding human hostages , he goes off on a "racial" discussion of how he feels about African AMericans is not reality based.

His explaining , in the middle of all this, that he understands "what they have been through" -- if that is not a projection I can not come up with a better example!!

Rushing toward LE firing away at cops - outcome is pretty clear - suicide - by cop. Its not like they had to come to him, he came to them firing away at SWAT teams. That either indicates one of two things. He was ready to die, or delusional enough to beleive that he , by himself, can kill all the cops and get away with it ?? No contact with reality at all.

Guys......................................moo

I question whether the all-nighter looking up meds took place the night before or if it occurred several weeks earlier.

Reading only the introductory paragraphs of the Reuters article, it can be interpreted as the night before:

On the morning before the massacre at Orlando’s Pulse gay nightclub, shooter Omar Mateen drastically altered his appearance, shaving his head and face, and seemed agitated and surly, said an acquaintance who saw him that day.

Mateen also talked about staying up all night to do online research into anti-psychosis medication, the acquaintance said in a interview. The acquaintance requested anonymity, saying authorities had asked him to keep quiet.

However, reading further into the article, it appears that the all-nighter took place "about three weeks" before the attack:

He had passed the gate for three years, meeting Mateen several times a week and exchanging friendly small talk. About three weeks before the attack, he noticed Mateen seemed agitated and asked him if he was all right.

Mateen said he was worn out from staying up all night to research psychiatric medication, although he did not say he was taking specific drugs.

“He’d been real worried about whether or not he’d slipped into psychosis," the acquaintance said. “He wasn’t as friendly. He was obsessed with researching medication online.”

Always more at the link:
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Z82LH
 
  • #436
A dispute over the release of hundreds of 911 calls, radio transmissions and recordings of Omar Mateen during the Pulse shooting drove the City of Orlando and two dozen media outlets to court on Thursday, prompting both parties to file separate lawsuits over the public records.

The Orlando Sentinel and 24 news outlets across the country filed a complaint in Orange County Circuit court, demanding access to 603 calls made to Orlando police and fire departments and 28 minutes of phone conversation between Mateen and Orlando Police crisis negotiators.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...o-lawsuit-pulse-911-calls-20160623-story.html

About two dozen media organizations including The Associated Press, CNN and The New York Times filed a lawsuit Thursday seeking disclosure of city of Orlando phone recordings stemming from the Pulse nightclub shooting.

The city, meanwhile, claimed in its own court filing that the recordings are exempt under Florida public records law and that the FBI insists releasing them may disrupt the ongoing investigation.

"The FBI considers information obtained from state and local law enforcement agencies in furtherance of its investigation to be evidence, or potential evidence," says the letter dated Monday from Paul Wysopal, special agent in charge of the FBI Tampa field office.

The FBI and city claim the recordings are exempt from disclosure under Florida public records law because they pertain to the ongoing investigation, could endanger witnesses and might disrupt any possible future prosecutions. The city also cites other exemptions, including any recording that depicts "the killing of persons" that may include gunshot sounds and victim voices.

More:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/victims-center-street-party-offer-normal-orlando-40076384
 
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I heard about it around 8 sun morning. Wanted to see more of how it broke. Go to minus -103.00 really good reporter here

https://www.facebook.com/wftv/videos/vb.72447968144/10153972854768145/?type=2&theater

Club owner was actually drawing on a sheet of paper for LE where everything was.

When they finally killed him and went in they could sloshing around their feet as they walked through.

-52.00 is the entire text exhange between mom/daughter - I had only seen clips, heartbraking
 
  • #439
While the article seemed to focus specifically on the issue of "gayness" I noticed this was not incuded in your post:

“But law enforcement sources did say that investigators have not uncovered any direct links between Mateen and members of Islamic State.”

I'm sure there were lots of things in that article not included in my post. I was posting snippets which supported the headline.

There's a 10% rule when posting articles .... sorry I didn't pick the highlights you were hoping for? :waitasec:
 
  • #440
do you have a link to anything that actually confirmed the guy in a disguise using a fake name that some discredited media outlet paid for an interview actually ever met the shooter?
Forbes doesn't seem to think Univision is some discredited media outlet.

#159 Univision Communications
Revenue. $2.9 Billion
Industry Media
Founded 1961
Country United States
President and CEO Randell Falco
CFO Andrew W Hobson
Website www.univision.net
Employees 4,200
Fiscal Year End Dec 31, 2014
Sales $2.91 B
Headquarters New York, New York

Univision Communications on Forbes Lists
#159 America's Largest Private Companies
Univision Communications is a diversified Spanish-language media company, with interests in television, radio and the internet. The Univision Network is the most-watched Spanish-language television network in the U.S., reaching 97% of Hispanic households. The company issued shares to the public in 1996; in 2007, an investor group including Madison Dearborn Partners and Providence Equity Partners, took the company private again. In July 2015, Univisision announced an intention to go public via an IPO.

http://www.forbes.com/companies/univision-communications/

~ ~ ~

Do you have a link that can back up your claim that Univision paid for the interview with Miguel?
 
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