FL - Michelle Mishcon, 53, & John Stevens, 59, brutally murdered, Tequesta, 15 Aug 2016 - #2

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What is with all of these crazy people doing drugs that make them want to eat people's faces etc. I do not see that as a big selling point for a drug. When they come down off of it, do they have remorse? It's disgusting to even imagine. Or is it the fact that maybe they have an underlying illness and the drugs react differently with them. It's scary to think you are sitting under your carport one minute and the next minute you are being mauled by a human... not an animal. Well... he is an animal after what he did.
 
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Caution --somewhat all over the place!!!

Know what just struck me? IF he was really hanging with his buds that day (I dont know why I just do not think they were at Duffies - that was not "bought up" for several days).

The intial stuff he was with dad in the media. Then from mom call to 911 mentioned daughter there. BUT she said something I have contacted several of his friends. Why would you need to "contact" them if they were sitting there - theywould know more than you.

And in the beginning we all commented on how hard could it have been for the "friends" to go after him. If you think about it in group dynamic way - it would make much more sense for peers to go after their friend follwing watching a father/son fight.

What the peers are gonna stay in the restaurant with dad? How uncomfotable is that? If the same thing happened and I was there, after my friend walked out I would say something , to dad, something like "let me go talk to him". For two reasons, too find out whats up with my friend, AND to seperate from my firends dad. What exactrly are my friends dad and I gonna chat about after a scene like that?

Drinking druggin tend not to be "solo" activites. So I would think if theywere hanging out earlier, and it does come back a designer drug those friedns who were with him that day might have been high themseves, were with him when the drugs were bought .

Sooooo that would explain why "supposedly" the friends could not find him when they went out "looking" I wonder if that actually translates to too high to do mcuh other than be high!

Collage kids- if they in fact knew he got/did some drugs together it would be pretty wise to stay as far away from the event (which they have - media) because they might know a lot...............................

The other guys friend came clean, cooperated, that can be looked at two ways IMO. Think about it I cannot get arrested if I am drinking with you (not illigal) and you get into trouble. ath salts and flakka are not illigal if they changed a molecule . That is why I think he (friend in other incident) was not charged - and they say they are waiting , in that case also , for the results.

If it comes back that what those guys (other case) bought has not been made illigal yet they have nothing to charge his friend with - he broke no laws!

I think we all are veiwing the drugs as illigal! If they change the molecule it is not if I am understanding this correctly - am I?

From inital screening we know he was not drinking which does "fit" with the few peers who had spoken that he did not drink. IIRC , only one peer ,thus far, has shared that he got into some things, when he started FSU, that he "should not have".

I am puzzled somewhat that noone wants to know where he was living last semester, which could have implications in terms of envirment he was exposed to last semester.

Do any of us know where he lived? They have said not in the dorm like he"once" did, and not in the frat house (which also can be percieved as he really was not all that connected with the frat guys).


Have no clue if it is typical not to live in the frat house your in, but would assume that is a big part of the "male" bonding (relentless chat about girls, who hooked up (hate that term- getting hooked up, to old little me sounds entangled!)


We know the other guy lived with his sister, we know James Holmes lived in an apt. We know Roger Elliot lived in an apt. We know where Omar lived, we know where Virgina Tech dude lived. We know where Lanza lived. We know where San Bern guys lived. We know where Nice truck guy lived. We know where Dallas shooter lived. It is just part of the story.

How come we do not know where he was living last semester. All that has been said is "with" mom. And maybe since they all referred to him acting strangly "the last two weeks" we got it blurred that he had only been there "two weeks", when in fact , if thinking about it , he probably was with mom formonths - Starting to wonder if he took a semester off, with the deal being he would bulk up and return , and dad just found out he wanted another semester off - just speculating- he had to be somewhere for a semester!

You Tube channel started 5 months before the event. would that not correlate to spring break - maybe he was out longer than just the summer, being around family triggered stuff for him.

guesses all...................
 
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AH's family have to wake up to a completely different reality now where their son has killed two people and the headlines call him a "face eater". I wouldn't wish that on any parent or sibling. No one knows how this 19 yr. old turned into a murderer in a matter of hours from leaving the restaurant. People want to understand. Did he take something that turned him into an unstoppable killer, and what made him drink some kind of caustic fluid that damaged his own insides internally?

Now, everyone is looking at his family for answers and I'm not sure the parents know how their son became that unhinged. Clueless. It's hard to accept just his father's word that this happened due to his son's mental illness which came on so suddenly that no one took him to a mental health professional in time. It must be impossible for his father to continue working, and I'm sure it's going to be strange for any of his dental patients to see him crying on t.v. this week. What can he possibly say? What does he hope to accomplish on national television? Doing tv interviews can back fire...I remember the "mark my words" said by Jodi. I'll try to listen with an open mind, but it's going to be hard not to yell at the t.v.

MOO, there's no conclusive answers until LE questions AH and gets those tox results back. It's possible there won't ever be any answers that make sense.
 
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When it comes to mental illness, the symptoms are never across the board for most. You'll see symptoms that fit in with more than one diagnosis. My mom suffers from cerebral atrophy. It is caused from three TIA's, which are mini strokes. When I visited at length with her doctor, we decided it would be best to start her on Aricept, a medication especially good for Alzheimer's disease. Cerebral Atrophy does not mimic Alzheimer's, but it does minic dementia. And, as we discussed, there are fine lines between the three and sometimes harder to diagnose one from the other but Aricept seems to benefit all three. So no mental illness rare!y fits one diagnosis.
There has been significant changes in treating mental illness in the past 50 years, but it's a learning process with each pt. My aunt by marriage had mental problems, becoming bad enough that she had to be hospitalized for a couple of months at a time, at least three times. That was back when they still did shock tx's, and put her through that Lord knows how many times. I was so very happy and relieved when they got the right medicine for her, and she didn't have many problems after about three or four years
 
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CARIIS, took another look at YT videos - he is in a garage. You can see garage door opener complete with ceiling plug in during some of the videos.

Caution --somewhat all over the place!!!

Know what just struck me? IF he was really hanging with his buds that day (I dont know why I just do not think they were at Duffies - that was not "bought up" for several days).

The intial stuff he was with dad in the media. Then from mom call to 911 mentioned daughter there. BUT she said something I have contacted several of his friends. Why would you need to "contact" them if they were sitting there - theywould know more than you.

And in the beginning we all commented on how hard could it have been for the "friends" to go after him. If you think about it in group dynamic way - it would make much more sense for peers to go after their friend follwing watching a father/son fight.

What the peers are gonna stay in the restaurant with dad? How uncomfotable is that? If the same thing happened and I was there, after my friend walked out I would say something , to dad, something like "let me go talk to him". For two reasons, too find out whats up with my friend, AND to seperate from my firends dad. What exactrly are my friends dad and I gonna chat about after a scene like that?

Drinking druggin tend not to be "solo" activites. So I would think if theywere hanging out earlier, and it does come back a designer drug those friedns who were with him that day might have been high themseves, were with him when the drugs were bought .

Sooooo that would explain why "supposedly" the friends could not find him when they went out "looking" I wonder if that actually translates to too high to do mcuh other than be high!

Collage kids- if they in fact knew he got/did some drugs together it would be pretty wise to stay as far away from the event (which they have - media) because they might know a lot...............................

The other guys friend came clean, cooperated, that can be looked at two ways IMO. Think about it I cannot get arrested if I am drinking with you (not illigal) and you get into trouble. ath salts and flakka are not illigal if they changed a molecule . That is why I think he (friend in other incident) was not charged - and they say they are waiting , in that case also , for the results.

If it comes back that what those guys (other case) bought has not been made illigal yet they have nothing to charge his friend with - he broke no laws!

I think we all are veiwing the drugs as illigal! If they change the molecule it is not if I am understanding this correctly - am I?

From inital screening we know he was not drinking which does "fit" with the few peers who had spoken that he did not drink. IIRC , only one peer ,thus far, has shared that he got into some things, when he started FSU, that he "should not have".

I am puzzled somewhat that noone wants to know where he was living last semester, which could have implications in terms of envirment he was exposed to last semester.

Do any of us know where he lived? They have said not in the dorm like he"once" did, and not in the frat house (which also can be percieved as he really was not all that connected with the frat guys).


Have no clue if it is typical not to live in the frat house your in, but would assume that is a big part of the "male" bonding (relentless chat about girls, who hooked up (hate that term- getting hooked up, to old little me sounds entangled!)


We know the other guy lived with his sister, we know James Holmes lived in an apt. We know Roger Elliot lived in an apt. We know where Omar lived, we know where Virgina Tech dude lived. We know where Lanza lived. We know where San Bern guys lived. We know where Nice truck guy lived. We know where Dallas shooter lived. It is just part of the story.

How come we do not know where he was living last semester. All that has been said is "with" mom. And maybe since they all referred to him acting strangly "the last two weeks" we got it blurred that he had only been there "two weeks", when in fact , if thinking about it , he probably was with mom formonths - Starting to wonder if he took a semester off, with the deal being he would bulk up and return , and dad just found out he wanted another semester off - just speculating- he had to be somewhere for a semester!

You Tube channel started 5 months before the event. would that not correlate to spring break - maybe he was out longer than just the summer, being around family triggered stuff for him.

guesses all...................
 
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Caution --somewhat all over the place!!!

Know what just struck me? IF he was really hanging with his buds that day (I dont know why I just do not think they were at Duffies - that was not "bought up" for several days).

The intial stuff he was with dad in the media. Then from mom call to 911 mentioned daughter there. BUT she said something I have contacted several of his friends. Why would you need to "contact" them if they were sitting there - theywould know more than you.

And in the beginning we all commented on how hard could it have been for the "friends" to go after him. If you think about it in group dynamic way - it would make much more sense for peers to go after their friend follwing watching a father/son fight.

What the peers are gonna stay in the restaurant with dad? How uncomfotable is that? If the same thing happened and I was there, after my friend walked out I would say something , to dad, something like "let me go talk to him". For two reasons, too find out whats up with my friend, AND to seperate from my firends dad. What exactrly are my friends dad and I gonna chat about after a scene like that?

Drinking druggin tend not to be "solo" activites. So I would think if theywere hanging out earlier, and it does come back a designer drug those friedns who were with him that day might have been high themseves, were with him when the drugs were bought .

Sooooo that would explain why "supposedly" the friends could not find him when they went out "looking" I wonder if that actually translates to too high to do mcuh other than be high!

Collage kids- if they in fact knew he got/did some drugs together it would be pretty wise to stay as far away from the event (which they have - media) because they might know a lot...............................

The other guys friend came clean, cooperated, that can be looked at two ways IMO. Think about it I cannot get arrested if I am drinking with you (not illigal) and you get into trouble. ath salts and flakka are not illigal if they changed a molecule . That is why I think he (friend in other incident) was not charged - and they say they are waiting , in that case also , for the results.

If it comes back that what those guys (other case) bought has not been made illigal yet they have nothing to charge his friend with - he broke no laws!

I think we all are veiwing the drugs as illigal! If they change the molecule it is not if I am understanding this correctly - am I?

From inital screening we know he was not drinking which does "fit" with the few peers who had spoken that he did not drink. IIRC , only one peer ,thus far, has shared that he got into some things, when he started FSU, that he "should not have".

I am puzzled somewhat that noone wants to know where he was living last semester, which could have implications in terms of envirment he was exposed to last semester.

Do any of us know where he lived? They have said not in the dorm like he"once" did, and not in the frat house (which also can be percieved as he really was not all that connected with the frat guys).


Have no clue if it is typical not to live in the frat house your in, but would assume that is a big part of the "male" bonding (relentless chat about girls, who hooked up (hate that term- getting hooked up, to old little me sounds entangled!)


We know the other guy lived with his sister, we know James Holmes lived in an apt. We know Roger Elliot lived in an apt. We know where Omar lived, we know where Virgina Tech dude lived. We know where Lanza lived. We know where San Bern guys lived. We know where Nice truck guy lived. We know where Dallas shooter lived. It is just part of the story.

How come we do not know where he was living last semester. All that has been said is "with" mom. And maybe since they all referred to him acting strangly "the last two weeks" we got it blurred that he had only been there "two weeks", when in fact , if thinking about it , he probably was with mom formonths - Starting to wonder if he took a semester off, with the deal being he would bulk up and return , and dad just found out he wanted another semester off - just speculating- he had to be somewhere for a semester!

You Tube channel started 5 months before the event. would that not correlate to spring break - maybe he was out longer than just the summer, being around family triggered stuff for him.

guesses all...................

CARIIS - your question about where he was living and why he 'may not' have been living in the dorm; I found the following :

http://uproxx.com/news/fsu-student-killed-florida-couple/

I hope this is considered MSM and ok to post. in this article there is a bullet that says the following:

'He previously lived on campus in the Rogers Hall dormitory, but university officials could not elaborate on whether he faced any disciplinary actions at FSU.'

Could mean nothing, IDK. Just FWIW.
 
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This news article doesn't mention the truly frightening pic on his Twitter of the guy with those filed sharp pointed teeth. It almost seems as though some of his thoughts were violent and devious under the surface. I know it just seems this way now, after the fact, but it's almost as if AH left a trial leading to his being in the headlines for these bizarre murders with a built-in insanity defense.

Foggy memory, but Holmes left a string on odd onlines leading up to his horrendous crimes. Didn't Holmes ask some girl on a dating site if she'd visit him in jail?

Inside Austin Harrouff's bizarre online persona
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...in-harrouffs-bizarre-online-persona/88918500/

Go to Austin Harrouff’s Twitter page and a banner photo of teeth is pasted across the top. On his YouTube page, videos show what could be a menacing side.
His online presence is scant save for a now deleted Facebook page and an infrequently used Twitter account. But his YouTube channel, activated five months ago, provides a glimpse into the teen's more personal side.

In the channel’s description, Harrouff writes: “I’ve got a psycho side and a normal side. I’ve lost my mind. Help me find it.”

Like this--

In a July 11 rap video titled, “You Do You Freestyle,” he sings: “I’d rather cut using a knife and slit my own throat. I’m like Bugs Bunny, I stick my teeth in because it’s funny. I’m like a Looney Tune, I take a lot of shrooms.”
 
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CARIIS - your question about where he was living and why he 'may not' have been living in the dorm; I found the following :

http://uproxx.com/news/fsu-student-killed-florida-couple/

I hope this is considered MSM and ok to post. in this article there is a bullet that says the following:

'He previously lived on campus in the Rogers Hall dormitory, but university officials could not elaborate on whether he faced any disciplinary actions at FSU.'

Could mean nothing, IDK. Just FWIW.

Thank You. I don't think that link has been posted yet.

I'm confused too. I've seen it reported AH lived with his mother, but I don't completely believe it because the father's neighbors also mentioned him there quite often lately. It's also in question if he was still a student and living on campus, and only home the last couple of weeks.

•He was interested in playing football in college, according to his statement on the National Collegiate Scouting Association’s website. He is not a member of the FSU football team.

•At FSU, he was studying Exercise Science.

•He previously lived on campus in the Rogers Hall dormitory, but university officials could not elaborate on whether he faced any disciplinary actions at FSU.

•Multiple social media photos show him at the Heritage Grove house, a fraternity and sorority housing complex about a mile from the FSU Tallahassee campus.

•He does not have any prior arrests in Florida and has had no run-ins with FSU campus police.

http://uproxx.com/news/fsu-student-killed-florida-couple/3/
 
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CARIIS - your question about where he was living and why he 'may not' have been living in the dorm; I found the following :

http://uproxx.com/news/fsu-student-killed-florida-couple/



I hope this is considered MSM and ok to post. in this article there is a bullet that says the following:

'He previously lived on campus in the Rogers Hall dormitory, but university officials could not elaborate on whether he faced any disciplinary actions at FSU.'

Could mean nothing, IDK. Just FWIW.

I TY -

its driving me bonkers! Its a basic part of background- IMO it is just strange. Generally I think when people are asked something like did he have any discipline history - if there was none why not say "no" , but the answer leaves the seed planted - we dont need any no seeds that are not going to blosom into anything.

Just gets Pike county every 24 hours that goes by--where are we heading in to a month

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does have the pukey green paint in the backgroud of a lot of his YT videos:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/fsuhousing/6851949805/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/fsuhousing/6807099311/

Actually this color and cinder block looks more like the background moo

https://www.flickr.com/photos/fsuhousing/6743367559/
 
  • #72
This news article doesn't mention the truly frightening pic on his Twitter of the guy with those filed sharp pointed teeth. It almost seems as though some of his thoughts were violent and devious under the surface. I know it just seems this way now, after the fact, but it's almost as if AH left a trial leading to his being in the headlines for these bizarre murders with a built-in insanity defense.

Foggy memory, but Holmes left a string on odd onlines leading up to his horrendous crimes. Didn't Holmes ask some girl on a dating site if she'd visit him in jail?




Like this--

I looked at his Twitter and just wanted to make note that the picture of him---the evil toothy picture (on the left hand side of the page) is dated April 27. My point being if his father "didn't have time to get him help"... I don't buy that, since something has been going on for some time. I just wanted to throw this in here in case anyone had not seen it. I found that in itself telling.
This is just nuts.
 
  • #73
CARIIS, took another look at YT videos - he is in a garage. You can see garage door opener complete with ceiling plug in during some of the videos.


was the garage a mess - in the boating it was totaly disaray but you guys are getting some info and I thnk you!

If it looks like the garage in the boating video, well then he was recording stuff from dads house?

Humm maybe tomm I will check his YT if it is still up and see if they were recorded on weekends?????
 
  • #74
I looked at his Twitter and just wanted to make note that the picture of him---the evil toothy picture (on the left hand side of the page) is dated April 27. My point being if his father "didn't have time to get him help"... I don't buy that, since something has been going on for some time. I just wanted to throw this in here in case anyone had not seen it. I found that in itself telling.
This is just nuts.

I agree, Flatbush, it's telling. That's one creepy, scary pic! I couldn't find his twitter link, but CARIIS posted a huge pic of that evil grin on Thread #1.

It's not actually him, but a larger pic of that evil toothy guy from his twitter page can be seen in Post #815 here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...evens-III-15-Aug-2016&p=12774886#post12774886

.........I'm asking for nightmares looking at that pic......and watching Sweeney Todd on Netflix..........:offtobed:
 
  • #75
I agree, Flatbush, it's telling. That's one creepy, scary pic! I couldn't find his twitter link, but CARIIS posted a huge pic of that evil grin on Thread #1.

It's not actually him, but a larger pic of that evil toothy guy from his twitter page can be seen in Post #815 here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...evens-III-15-Aug-2016&p=12774886#post12774886

.........I'm asking for nightmares looking at that pic......and watching Sweeney Todd on Netflix..........:offtobed:
Well the green paint which I would call avocado green was probably used because, guys would like it, and it's really rather neutral. You could put cream, brown, gold, navy, and a couple of soft yellows with it. And his mom, like most mom's would have helped him decorate his room. That awful picture was probably from some little known actor making a "B" horror movie. But nevertheless, disgusting. Remember the clown from "IT!" That's what comes to mind when I see it.
 
  • #76
I agree, Flatbush, it's telling. That's one creepy, scary pic! I couldn't find his twitter link, but CARIIS posted a huge pic of that evil grin on Thread #1.

It's not actually him, but a larger pic of that evil toothy guy from his twitter page can be seen in Post #815 here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...evens-III-15-Aug-2016&p=12774886#post12774886

.........I'm asking for nightmares looking at that pic......and watching Sweeney Todd on Netflix..........:offtobed:

Those teeth were so scary I went searching--they aren't real. That may have been obvious to everyone else but I did wonder. It is a grill and the guy looks normal without it.
 
  • #77
LE still isn't able to get a statement from AH, which since they've been trying this week after week, I think something is up:
http://cbs12.com/news/local/austin-harrouff-remains-unable-to-speak-to-detectives
In this latest article they say they'll take a statement in any format, so it's not having a sore throat that is preventing a statement. I think his liver failure is causing ongoing problems with the bleeding esophagus and/or that he has some level of brain damage. The way he's been describe as just nodding could be describing someone who has brain damage, which the closest they've described him as having any level of actual awareness is they think he smiled at his mother. You'd think he'd be at least talking to his family in some way, just by like writing them questions and comments on a tablet even he isn't ready to make a statement to LE.
 
  • #78
Been close to 3 weeks now, yep something definitely is up. If unable to talk, by now he would be able to write on a notepad, or even something like a kindle device to communicate. I do wonder how badly he has gotten himself messed up.. and WHAT ALL did he take. Waiting.. tap tap tap.... :waiting:
 
  • #79
Been close to 3 weeks now, yep something definitely is up. If unable to talk, by now he would be able to write on a notepad, or even something like a kindle device to communicate. I do wonder how badly he has gotten himself messed up.. and WHAT ALL did he take. Waiting.. tap tap tap.... :waiting:

Agreed....Something is amiss....Thinking he has brain damage, and there won't be any communicating. Daddy will be interviewed today by Dr. Phil. Get your DVR set!!!

IMHO
 
  • #80
Somebody stated the time is 4p. Is that central time?
 
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