FL - Michelle Mishcon, 53, & John Stevens, 59, brutally murdered, Tequesta, 15 Aug 2016 - #2

[Flatbush]

Oh I am sure they got the best attorneys... gonna try every thing in the book to get this fellow off.
I am confused. IF he used drugs.. he stands trial as anyone else would, am I correct?
But IF he truly has mental illness.... (hoping the state has some good doctors who can tell the difference)... if he has mental illness, what happens then.. do they have to prove he was mentally ill at the time the crime occurred ? He cannot be allowed to walk the streets again..he's not real safe...
I just want to say I don't mean to sound mean, I do want justice for the family.

 

[glf]

It would take the collaboration of several qualified docs to diagnose true mental illness. And if they try and use that as a way to a lighter sentence, he could end up in a state hospital. That is, if the jury believe him, too. :banghead::worms:

 

[SpanishInquisition]

When Austin Harrouff was at St. Mary’s Medical Center, after authorities say he killed two people and attempted to kill another man, he spit out a piece of human flesh, according to Martin County court documents.

“Help me, I ate something bad,” Harrouff said, according to Martin County Sheriff’s deputies.

“What did you eat?” a sergeant asked.

“Humans,” Harrouff replied.

http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news...emerge-in-austin-harrouff-murder-face-/nsz8w/

 

[Curious Me]

http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news...emerge-in-austin-harrouff-murder-face-/nsz8w/

I have to keep reminding myself, this happened in real life. This is not about a television program. The Stevens couple were kind, happy people in their own garage.

When deputies found Harrouff at the scene Aug. 15, he was choking and biting Stevens in the driveway of the home. One deputy ordered Harrouff off Stevens at gunpoint and when a second deputy arrived, he used a Taser on Harrouff but Harrouff wouldn’t let Stevens go. The deputy said he then kicked Harrouff in the head several times and he got off of the man for a minute, but immediately got back on him and began to chew his face again, according to the report.

After deputies were finally able to get him off of Stevens, Harrouff yelled at the deputies, “(Expletive) kill me, (expletive) kill me, shoot me now, I deserve to die.”

:waitasec: IMO, he said things to LE that were quite astute. He seemed aware and to know what was going on.

http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news...emerge-in-austin-harrouff-murder-face-/nsz8w/

 

[SpanishInquisition]

More details:

Fisher told deputies he was about to go to bed that evening when he heard a female screaming. He stated he entered the Stevens' garage and found Austin Harrouff hitting Michelle Mischcon who was lying in a pool of blood on the ground unresponsive, according to the report.

Harrouff reportedly told Fisher, "you don't want to, you don't want this, you don't want a part of this." That is when the teen attacked Fisher.

http://cbs12.com/news/local/face-bi...deputies-he-ate-humans-in-gruesome-new-report
This case just gets stranger and stranger. It increasingly seems like whatever he was doing was deliberate, like at first telling the neighbor to leave. I also continue to wonder that if he did take something and or drink something, if he didn't do it at his mom's. If he walked to his mom's he could have filled the tea bottle from his mom's garage and drank there as well as taken any drugs then. I don't think anyone really knows what all he did the first time he left the restaurant to go his mom's.

 

[glf]

Sounds like to me, that if he had something similiar to a "blackout" alcoholics describe, by the time the police got him off of John, he had snapped out of the blackout and knew exactly what he had done. I'm really beginning to wonder how much was true and how much was crapola where his breathing, throat problems, and organ disfunction are concerned.

 

[Flatbush]

I learn new stuff every day on these forums. I will say this, the legal process is SO SLOW... like this case, murder takes place...we wait...wait wait...(hospital..).. he gets released and arrested.. we wait wait wait....
I would not be a good attorney, I don't have the patience to wait so dang much.

 

[TTF14]

I learn new stuff every day on these forums. I will say this, the legal process is SO SLOW... like this case, murder takes place...we wait...wait wait...(hospital..).. he gets released and arrested.. we wait wait wait....
I would not be a good attorney, I don't have the patience to wait so dang much.

I'd make a better attorney than family member of a crime victim, though!

 

[wildebeest]

I'd make a better attorney than family member of a crime victim, though!

Yes, I can't even imagine how the victim's family members can stand the slow wheels of justice. Also, how does the neighbor, who was brutally attacked, feel about this?

I just get the sense there is sympathy going out to this heinous murderer. I don't get it!

IMHO

 

[Jax49]

From the 29th of October (apologies if already posted):

http://cbs12.com/news/local/sheriff...l-show-excuse-for-not-airing-harrouff-episode

An exclusive interview with the Dr. Phil Show was scheduled for Friday, but it was postponsed. Producers may state the reason for postponement was because of “new development in the case.”However, Martin County Sheriff William Snyder tells CBS12 that is just not the case.
“There are no new developments in this case since his arrest,” said Sheriff William Snyder of the Martin County Sheriff's Office. "We have not been in any contact with the Dr. Phil Show."

 

[Curious Me]

The new development I'd expect next would be for the tox results to come back sheading light on whether this kid took flakka or some crazy drug or maybe he was in a steroid rage. When will the test results come back and be revealed?

Before I can listen to any mental illness excuses, I need to know if this young man was playing around with substances. AH could've been on something when he left the restaurant the second time. His father spent time with him that day, but it was at the restaurant the second time that I think his father grabbed him by the collar demanding to know "What's wrong with you?" Why didn't his father go after him when he left the restaurant?

 

[glf]

Probably thought he was acting like a stupid kid and the walk might calm him down.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Probably thought he was acting like a stupid kid and the walk might calm him down.

I do think something is up, like I've really got to wonder about any father who publicly assaults his son in a restaurant and then says the son was embarrassed over his own actions rather than the father's public assault. It did seem like the public assault was the immediate proximate cause, like if the father hadn't have done, AH may not have left the restaurant like how did where all this may never have happened. If the father is willing to publicly grab his adult son, I wonder what he did to his son in private and if AH thought he was killing his father in his rage rather than the people he killed. With what AH initially telling the neighbor to leave, it seems like it was targeted, but there's been nothing to indicate that he in any way knew the people he killed to have a reason to want to target them.

 

[Curious Me]

:shakehead: Headline is so bizarre, but actually true.

Face-biting attacker: 'I ate something bad ... humans'
Associated PressNovember 01, 2016
https://www.yahoo.com/news/face-biting-attacker-ate-something-bad-humans-145425242.html

Harrouff is charged with second-degree murder in the Aug. 15 attack on Stevens, 59, and his 53-year-old wife, Michelle Mishcon, outside their Tequesta home. Prosecutors say they will ask a grand jury to indict him on first-degree murder charges. That would make him eligible for the death penalty.

 

[bwill24]

I apologize for not having the story to link (I can't find it now) but I read last night that Austin refused to speak to investigators during his hospital stay and, once arrested, wrote them a note that said "I want my attorney. I do not want to talk to you". Seems to me that he would have to be pretty lucid to understand the consequences of speaking to someone.

 

[Jax49]

I apologize for not having the story to link (I can't find it now) but I read last night that Austin refused to speak to investigators during his hospital stay and, once arrested, wrote them a note that said "I want my attorney. I do not want to talk to you". Seems to me that he would have to be pretty lucid to understand the consequences of speaking to someone.

That quote was in several articles.

Even then, Snyder said investigators tried to get some kind of a statement.He would not speak, but instead, he wrote a message on paper.
“At some point toward the end when we finally arrested him and took him out of there, he did write down on a sheet of paper, ‘I want my attorney, I don’t want to talk to you.'"

 

[SeesSeas]

You know what I bet happened - he had not been arrested yet, was probably not read his Miranda rights and lawyers yanked it. The interview was conducted Oct. 3, the day before he was arrested.

. . . Dr Phil interview could lead to Harrouff incriminating himself.
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...-face-biting-attacks-appear-dr-phil/92828390/
Austin Harrouff interview for 'Dr. Phil' removed from TV lineup
7:29 p.m. EDT October 27, 2016
Harrouff, a Florida State University student and Jupiter resident, spoke to the show by phone while he was hospitalized at St. Mary's Medical Center in West Palm Beach, Martin County Sheriff's officials said. The interview was conducted Oct. 3, the day before he was arrested.
Sheriff William Snyder said Tuesday he didn't know what was said during the interview, but it could lead to Harrouff incriminating himself.

 

[Curious Me]

:thinking: Thoughts to ponder. It's all so weird. It's almost like he thought about doing something like this before in a revenge fantasy. I keep thinking about how his twitter had that banner of teeth and that pic of a guy with razor sharp teeth in an evil grin. His father is a dentist. His father is the one that grabbed him by the collar just before he took off to commit murders. Not sure how to express the idea of someone allowing themselves to become unhinged, but still have an ugly plan going on in their mind subconsciously. But then, I'm not sure he expected to survive either, so maybe this was in a way a suicide attempt too. I don't know. I think he did give big hints he needed help in the weeks leading up to the horrible crimes, but all he probably got was advice to shape up.

It's a tragedy to think this could've been avoided before he killed a really nice man and woman, and attacked their good neighbor. I think that's why we are here trying to learn how to stop these horrible crimes from happening all the time.

 

[GutInstinct]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/face-biting-attacker-ate-something-bad-humans-145425242.html


Whoa - we never knew about this part of the entire scenario. Geeez.

 

[GutInstinct]

Why, why, why wouldn't some of these details have been released earlier? What's up with that?