FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #10

[Angelonline]

We didn't see it anywhere along that route. We saw it on the toll road there at Alafaya Trl around 4pm... But everything I've heard is that she was never there. Unless there is some other black Hummer running around with a GLOW sticker across the back window I can't explain this.

Very interesting. Thanks for your reply. Do you know how far as in distance or time that is from the "route"?

 

[Ironhorse]

Very interesting. Thanks for your reply. Do you know how far as in distance or time that is from the "route"?

If she was headed home as has been speculated then the fastest route would be the 417... Now as to why her vehicle would have been on the 408 I don't know. That is a little off the beaten path for someone heading back to the Oviedo/Genva/Sanford area...However getting from where she dropped off the kids to where we saw the vehicle wouldn't be all that difficult. It's only about a 20 minute drive from where she dropped off the twins to the 408/Alafaya trail exit...

 

[nobodynoz]

If she was headed home as has been speculated then the fastest route would be the 417... Now as to why her vehicle would have been on the 408 I don't know. That is a little off the beaten path for someone heading back to the Oviedo/Genva/Sanford area...However getting from where she dropped off the kids to where we saw the vehicle wouldn't be all that difficult. It's only about a 20 minute drive from where she dropped off the twins to the 408/Alafaya trail exit...

Let's say someone drove the Hummer up that way to make it look like Michelle was going to stop by Waterford on the way up Alafaya Trail to home. I think you said that you might have seen the Hummer exit at Alafaya. If you take that exit from the 408, can't you turn either right or left on Alafaya after you've exited 408?

Left would be toward Waterford, of course, but right would take the Hummer down Alafaya to Curryford, where the driver could just head on to take care of the rest of his "task," thinking he's maybe been observed or electronically recorded (on the 408) heading toward Waterford.

Of course, I can't fit Michelle's cell phone into my scenario yet.

 

[SleuthDecay]

Hi, I am a long time reader, first time poster.

I have a peripheral connection to Michelle Parker so I have followed the case very closely. This site has me spell bound! Thanks for all the great info and opinion.

 

[Bravo]

Hi, I am a long time reader, first time poster.

I have a peripheral connection to Michelle Parker so I have followed the case very closely. This site has me spell bound! Thanks for all the great info and opinion.

:wagon:

 

[captdj]

We didn't see it anywhere along that route. We saw it on the toll road there at Alafaya Trl around 4pm... But everything I've heard is that she was never there. Unless there is some other black Hummer running around with a GLOW sticker across the back window I can't explain this.

You saw her hummer near waterford that day?
Sorry if I missed this in an earier thread if discussed.

Thats really interesting...

oK A Theory what if her hummer was there at that time but her phone was not...
Whatever happened had happened by then and the cover up plan had begun.

 

[Ironhorse]

When was the car dumped again and how did no one see it being dumped if they knew she was already missing?

If the phone died from being in water, then yes, it could be a small radius. Especially if the car was dumped near the same time. Of course, it two were involved in covering up whatever happened, then one person could have been dumping the cell phone and heading home, while the other hid Michelle, somewhere else.

I wonder if senior had a cell phone? I wonder what sr. and jr.'s cell phone pings show, if anything.

True there is lots of different scenarios... But if we consider the time line then this greatly limits to when it must have happen. It's been reported friends last seen her at around 2:30pm and that the New boyfriend got a text from her around 3:18pm. It was around the 3:18pm time when she was supposedly dropping off the kids. LE has confirmed a text was sent by her phone at around 4:30pm to her brother saying 'Waterford'. However LE has also stated they believe the 4:30pm text was bogus. If we take this into account then whatever occurred happened between 3:18-4:30pm... By 6:50pm an alert was well underway by the family and law enforcement about her missing. It wasn't probably till 10pm before more of the public learned of MP disappearance from TV News. So up till then much of the public wasn't aware to be on the lookout for the vehicle. Seeing how the vehicle was discovered a few hours afterwards and in the coming days it was said her phone went dead at 8pm that same evening. Then it's all together easy to estimate that the phone was tossed into the water while the vehicle was being taken to be ditched. No one reported what time the vehicle was parked where it was later found. However One witness did say she saw the vehicle setting where it was later found as early as 10:30pm when she took her dogs for a walk. So the vehicle could have been setting there as early as 8:20pm and that's well in the time frame when few knew to be on the lookout for it. One could easily toss the phone from where it was found and get the vehicle to the place where it was found from 8-8:20pm...

 

[Ironhorse]

You saw her hummer near waterford that day?
Sorry if I missed this in an earier thread if discussed.

Thats really interesting...

oK A Theory what if her hummer was there at that time but her phone was not...
Whatever happened had happened by then and the cover up plan had begun.

Yes... And the decal was on the rear window.

Now I myself can't say I saw her in person just the vehicle. However according to my passenger he said he recalled seeing a female behind the wheel and she looked to be alone... Please remember at the time neither my passenger nor myself had any cause to be suspicious. To us it was just another car on the road and the only reason we took notice is that it was a nice looking vehicle that had a huge odd decal across the rear window...

We would have likely forgot all about it had it not been for the news about here disappearance and them showing the vehicle with rear window sticker... Yes, we did inform the law of our encounter but it seemed to fall on deaf ears. All we've seen on the news is about how she was never in the Waterford area. So, what are we left to assume other than we are mistaken or there is another Hummer out there with a big 'Glow' decal on the rear window...

 

[nobodynoz]

You saw her hummer near waterford that day?
Sorry if I missed this in an earier thread if discussed.

Thats really interesting...

oK A Theory what if her hummer was there at that time but her phone was not...
Whatever happened had happened by then and the cover up plan had begun.

Hi captdj--see my scenario above. I thought of the idea that the cell phone wasn't with the Hummer then, but I couldn't figure out how the driver could then get it and text "Waterford" at 4:30. Unless there was an accomplice, of course.

 

[SleuthDecay]

:wagon:

Thank you so much for the welcome.

 

[nobodynoz]

Ironhorse posted:
However according to my passenger he said he recalled seeing a female behind the wheel and she looked to be alone

Okay, that basically shoots down my scenario. Unless the accomplice was a woman, of course.

 

[hollyblue]

So now I wonder why the 11 year old didn't call someone sooner if he always called his mother when he got home from school?

Also, why didn't the 11 year old call his aunt sooner, if this is what is normal in this household?

There is a piece missing here.

Maybe he rec'd "a text" saying she was running late and some other msg that would delay him calling??? Another diversion. ?

 

[nobodynoz]

I was catching up, reading through the end of the last thread and the beginning of this one, and trying to get straight on the time thing with the eleven-year-old arriving home/calling his mom on 11/17.

Do I understand correctly--that the only statements made about this on the NG show you referenced were that he usually got off the bus/arrived home around 3:30, and that he usually called his mom when he got off the bus to walk to his house?

So we still don't know for sure when he actually did get off the bus on 11/17, and we also don't know for sure that he called his mom, and what time he might have done so?

I just wanted to bump the above comment that I posted earlier. I don't want anyone to think I was blaming the boy. I was actually trying to get some info to update my question list that I posted a little earlier.

 

[katydid23]

Well first like I said "is it possible she was headed that way"? Do we know what direction she was headed? If she was 6 miles away then how do we know what way she was heading. As far as what happened next well I'm not sure if you mean you would like me to give you more of a scenario as to what I think assuming she made it to Waterford Shopping Center, but the what happened next question applies no matter where she was going and we unfortunately don't know what happened next what ever direction she was headed.

What I was getting at is that your question, " maybe she was heading towards Waterford, so she sent that text," implies that she was actually driving along in her car and had the use of her phone.

So I asked what happened next, because I wonder what changed all of that. How did her car end up where it was and her phone end up in the lake?

Personally, I don't believe she was in control of her car, her phone or her life at that point.

 

[hollyblue]

So, are they seeing the grandkids? I missed that.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Patty G
So now I wonder why the 11 year old didn't call someone sooner if he always called his mother when he got home from school?

Also, why didn't the 11 year old call his aunt sooner, if this is what is normal in this household?

There is a piece missing here.

Quote:
3:30 p.m. -- Parker's 11-year-old son arrived home from school. Shortly thereafter he called his grandmother, Stewart, and notified her that his mom was not there
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/05/michelle-parker-timeline_n_1126752.html

This was in one of the first article from the very first pages here at WS. I'm thinking since it hasn't been mentioned much in media since, they are wanting to keep all the info about any calls/texts (especially the 11 yr old's) pretty hush. I'm betting there's only a 15-20 min "window" and the reason he was named a SUSPECT and not just a POI. JMO

 

[SmoothOperator]

What makes me curious of the timeline is that I feel like two things have got to be pretty certain..
A) that Michelle was never deceased in any other vehicle but her own.. meaning I believe that ONLY HER HUMMER WAS USED FOR DISPOSING IF HER BODY.. this of course would be done for the logical reasons of only hAving evidence of a deceased human in the deceased humans car therefor no direct link to the perp via human decomp hit by a cadaver dog in their own personal vehicle.. I feel rather certain of this only due to an assumption that when LE searched Dale Jr's property(that I know of twice) Im assuming they would have had the dogs to alert for any signs of human decomp in the condo or his vehicles.. Would they not have done this?? IMO at this point it appears as tho that is typically the SOP in the missing persons cases these days..

Therefor that's why I've leaned so heavily toward Michelle's Hummer being used to carry and dispose of her body..

And then the other thing I feel quite certain of is that Michelle's phone was tossed off the bridge right around 8pm thus causing it to appear as powered down for the last time amd the last ping coming from literally less than two mes from where the phone was located.. I feel pretty certain that her phone was disposed of PRIOR TO DISPOSING of her body.. My main reason for this is due to logistics as well.. We know the phone did not power off until 8pm.. Therefor in knowing that up until 8pm the phone was charged and still on I feel that if the body had been disposed of prior to the phone being tossed that the ping trail likely would have given LE a quite possible good idea of the location she was disposed.. Unless one thinks that he went and disposed of the body while leaving Michelle's phone at his condo then after disposing of her in her Hummer he then goes back to his condo again to retrieve the phone and then en route to his fathers and/or dumping the Hummer he then tosses the phone off the bridge.. It seem very unlikely to me that Dale would have returned back to his condo after having disposed of her to retrieve her cell.. In fact it's just not possible or else there would be surveillance video of the Hummer again returning to Dales at some point in that evening.. I just don't see it..

Anyone know anything about the use of dogs when searching Dale Jr's?? I know that theres video that dogs were used in searching dads so I assume they dis so with Jr, no?

TIA to anyone who may know more

 

[beach]

Hi, I am a long time reader, first time poster.

I have a peripheral connection to Michelle Parker so I have followed the case very closely. This site has me spell bound! Thanks for all the great info and opinion.

:welcome:

So happy you decided to come out of lurkdom and join the discussion!

 

[SleuthDecay]

If there is a routine, it goes on daily. They know what they need to do and to say "oops, didn't call Mom after 3 hours and 20 minutes, nope, not buying that one.

I can go with maybe an hour, because by then he will realize, Mom didn't call me to say she would be late and soon it will be dinner time, etc., etc.

IMO, why does this even matter? Neither Lauren or the 11 year old is under suspicion, obviously. So, while it would be nice from a web sleuther's point of view to be able to nail down the timeline, I just don't see this as a critical detail. Maybe he DID call his mom and we just didn't hear about it. Or maybe he DIDN'T call her for whatever reasons an 11 year old might have. At any rate, I don't see how it's really relevant to his mother's disappearance. Maybe I'm missing something?

 

[beach]

IMO, why does this even matter? Neither Lauren or the 11 year old is under suspicion, obviously. So, while it would be nice from a web sleuther's point of view to be able to nail down the timeline, I just don't see this as a critical detail. Maybe he DID call his mom and we just didn't hear about it. Or maybe he DIDN'T call her for whatever reasons an 11 year old might have. At any rate, I don't see how it's really relevant to his mother's disappearance. Maybe I'm missing something?

I understand. Right now it doesn't really seem relevant. However, I can tell you from sleuthing the ping and cell phone records of all the players during the Casey Anthony case, it might be very relevant later on.

For instance, if we see records that indicate her 11 yr. old son was blowing up his mom's phone and she never answered, it would be a huge red flag. Likewise, if there were no calls made from Michelle's phone TO her son's cell after she knew he should be home, that too would be a big clue.

Make sense now?


eta: As to the relevance regarding the timeline, after we got the records in the Anthony case, sleuthers could account for her whereabouts for almost every minute of those 31 days. She loved her cell, just like Michelle is said to love hers. Cell phone records & pings are terrific tracking devices now. Especially now that so many are equipped with a GPS feature.

 

[telemag]

What I was getting at is that your question, " maybe she was heading towards Waterford, so she sent that text," implies that she was actually driving along in her car and had the use of her phone.

So I asked what happened next, because I wonder what changed all of that. How did her car end up where it was and her phone end up in the lake?

Personally, I don't believe she was in control of her car, her phone or her life at that point.

I tend to agree bout her not being in control at that point but not entirely convinced. Way too many variables and no real solid info to back up any theories. Kind of drives you nuts right? Sadly I would bet money we will never know even when the right person is caught. They all tend to deny till the end sadly.