FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #10

[tiff07]

Hi captdj--see my scenario above. I thought of the idea that the cell phone wasn't with the Hummer then, but I couldn't figure out how the driver could then get it and text "Waterford" at 4:30. Unless there was an accomplice, of course.

Came out of lurking....I'm trying to google if Hummers have automatic door locks once one leaves vehicle? I cannot locate an answer. However, they have automatic door locks once the car is placed into gear. This is where my thoughts are going.....Did someone have the opportunity to get into MP's car while she was inside DS's condo dropping off the kids? If so, such a person could hide in back seat until out of complex, and possibly get her to comply to orders by threatenig with a gun. Also, the note on the Hummer had DS's name on it, so would he have had a key?

I rang up my dealer just now because mine is an Australian modified version of the same car, black too coincidentally, he says your American counterparts don't auto lock either.

 

[SleuthDecay]

I think it matters because it narrows the timeline enough to show whether she ever drove away from her ex's condo or not. He says she arrived at 4 pm.
But the timestamp on the surveillance camera says 3:18 pm. So IF her son did call her at 3:30 or 3:45, it is quite surprising that she did not pick up. Most moms always pick up the phone for a child that is home alone. It is automatic.


So that tells me that she was already indisposed, imo.

Oh and :welcome: :fireworks:

Thanks to you and all who replied! I guess I wasn't very clear. My post was meant to convey only that it doesn't matter at this point if her son did or didn't call his mom exactly when he might have been expected to (i.e. 3:30pm). If he DID indeed call around 3:30, then LE no doubt has that info and it will be forthcoming as more info is released. But even if he didn't call until 6:50 pm, I don't see it as a big deal. He may have just been being an 11 year old and forgot to call. That's all I'm saying. The other poster Patti G. was IMO making it seem like there was something suspicious about the son not calling his mom until 6:50 pm, and IF that's what she implied, I disagree. JMO. I hope that makes sense.

 

[BritsKate]

They came out from almost day one and stated we have our man. Now almost a month in nothing. IF you want to make someone slip then in my mind don't let them know you are watching them!! After naming him the one and only prime suspect why do that and then wait for him to make a mistake! That to me would show they have nothing. OK we have nothing so let's name him PS and hope he slips or we have some stuff, but not enuff so let's name him PS and hope he gives us more now that he knows we suspect him. Sorry, but none of it makes sense to me. But like you said, they know what they are doing so guess we gotta wait and see.

What do they benefit from making an early arrest? If they do not have enough evidence to prove to a jury that a murder was committed without the addition of a body then he could well be acquitted.

I don't believe LE named him a suspect in hopes he would make a mistake. I tend to think they know he was involved in a probable murder and are simply waiting for a more likely conviction with a body. (I am so sorry, Sparky )

Scott Peterson was not arrested until Laci was located. Doug Stewart was however convicted without Venus being recovered. Josh Powell has yet to be arrested and Susan remains missing to this day.

The mere fact that LE has not arrested Dale for murder does not satisfy my mind that no murder was committed nor relinquish his, imo, probable involvement.

 

[SindyBill]

FWIW: a random carjacker/rapist/kidnapper/souless creature/whathaveyou wouldn't bother to text "Waterford" to her brother, given that they most likely wouldn't know that was her brother..

only someone close and familiar, and not wanting to chance that the brother would worry would send that misleading text.

 

[Private Dallasite]

Thanks to you and all who replied! I guess I wasn't very clear. My post was meant to convey only that it doesn't matter at this point if her son did or didn't call his mom exactly when he might have been expected to (i.e. 3:30pm). If he DID indeed call around 3:30, then LE no doubt has that info and it will be forthcoming as more info is released. But even if he didn't call until 6:50 pm, I don't see it as a big deal. He may have just been being an 11 year old and forgot to call. That's all I'm saying. The other poster Patti G. was IMO making it seem like there was something suspicious about the son not calling his mom until 6:50 pm, and IF that's what she implied, I disagree. JMO. I hope that makes sense.

Welcome! The reason its important is merely to peice the time line together, which is obviously incomplete even at this point.

 

[tiff07]

Ok, your dropping off your kids to your exes for a visitation. Keys and phone in hand or on person probably and if car is out front and your going to be quick, purse can stay in the car. Purse is recovered in car. Phone turns up in water, disposed of for evidentiary reasons most likely. Car turns up in good condition minus decal and wheel cover? Wheel covers are waterproof, handy things. The decal might have been removed to buy time, disguise the car a little. But the side decals weren't removed. Maybe that wasn't necessary or the perp ran out of time or was interrupted doing so. No attempt was made to destroy the car, probably due to lack of time and / or opportunity. Car was used for both business and personal use. My question is, how was it insured? The decals may have needed to come off for another reason. If the car was owned by or being paid for by DS for example and it was insured for personal use yet Michelle was using it for both business and personal and something happened to that car when it was disposed of at the apartments after Michelles disappearance, recovered later with decals advertising a business on it, then insurance mightn't pay if the insurance laws are the same in your country as they are here. Iirc someone said that where the vehicle was recovered wasn't the best part of town? I wonder if the GLOW decals were news to DS or what the arrangement was between them regarding the car, whether it was a point of contention?

 

[tiff07]

The people's court was a financially advantageous way for Michelle and DS to finalize things in regards to the engagement ring. I really want to know what the arrangement was in regards to the Hummer, if in fact it wasn't solely Michelle's vehicle. Looking at how things got heated on the people's court show I don't think it would have been pretty to watch them try to resolve other property issues without a mediator. JMO.

 

[Mr. Noatak]

What makes me curious of the timeline is that I feel like two things have got to be pretty certain..
A) that Michelle was never deceased in any other vehicle but her own.. meaning I believe that ONLY HER HUMMER WAS USED FOR DISPOSING IF HER BODY.. this of course would be done for the logical reasons of only hAving evidence of a deceased human in the deceased humans car therefor no direct link to the perp via human decomp hit by a cadaver dog in their own personal vehicle.. I feel rather certain of this only due to an assumption that when LE searched Dale Jr's property(that I know of twice) Im assuming they would have had the dogs to alert for any signs of human decomp in the condo or his vehicles.. Would they not have done this?? IMO at this point it appears as tho that is typically the SOP in the missing persons cases these days..

Therefor that's why I've leaned so heavily toward Michelle's Hummer being used to carry and dispose of her body..

And then the other thing I feel quite certain of is that Michelle's phone was tossed off the bridge right around 8pm thus causing it to appear as powered down for the last time amd the last ping coming from literally less than two mes from where the phone was located.. I feel pretty certain that her phone was disposed of PRIOR TO DISPOSING of her body.. My main reason for this is due to logistics as well.. We know the phone did not power off until 8pm.. Therefor in knowing that up until 8pm the phone was charged and still on I feel that if the body had been disposed of prior to the phone being tossed that the ping trail likely would have given LE a quite possible good idea of the location she was disposed.. Unless one thinks that he went and disposed of the body while leaving Michelle's phone at his condo then after disposing of her in her Hummer he then goes back to his condo again to retrieve the phone and then en route to his fathers and/or dumping the Hummer he then tosses the phone off the bridge.. It seem very unlikely to me that Dale would have returned back to his condo after having disposed of her to retrieve her cell.. In fact it's just not possible or else there would be surveillance video of the Hummer again returning to Dales at some point in that evening.. I just don't see it..

Anyone know anything about the use of dogs when searching Dale Jr's?? I know that theres video that dogs were used in searching dads so I assume they dis so with Jr, no?

TIA to anyone who may know more

My opinions only, no facts here:

Well, my friend, we meet again on the field of honor. I have only tangentially followed this case. And with the discovery of the cell phone, this case may well be moot in a few days. But in the interim, I wish I had a tad more information. I will assume that we do not know, nor may ever know where the daycare center is. But, where does Michelle actually live 24-7? I am unclear about this address. Where does her current boyfriend live? (I need this info to complete a full day timeline, not because he is of further interest to me). Did, or did not Michelle visit the MAC store on the day of her disappearance?

What is the perceived motive in this case? If this is an inside job, the motive should be something better than simple revenge or anger.

Frankly, if the recently-discovered phone location turns out to be accurate AND is not planted, I find it dang odd. Why even throw away a dead phone? Drop it into a storm sewer, or just smash it with a hammer, put the pieces into an empty beer-can, and throw it into a random dumpster or a pond. Or put it in a fireplace and melt it into a blob (and a million other ways I could conceal this trivial evidence). But- do not throw the intact and dead phone mid-way geographically in the chain of developed evidence. IF the unconfirmed phone location turns out to be accurate, it would seem to be more than serendipitous to me.

One thing I want to point out to my fellow sleuthers is that polygraphs are fairly accurate. But, YOU could be asked during the test: "are you responsible for this crime"? If you feel in any way that your lack of responsibility or oversight contributed to the crime- you could well fail the test. You could be asked: "have you ever committed a crime in your life"? The problem with polygraphs is not the science, it is the structure of the questions asked and the possible prejudices of those who ask them. Secondly, there is the problem that results of polygraph tests are not just 'passed' and 'failed'. There is also the little detail of 'inconclusive' results of a polygraph test, which essentially are interpreted as guilty by the public. But what is the quantitative scientific basis for an 'inconclusive' result?

Recall the 'missing bride' case in 2005- the husband refused to take a polygraph from the police unless it was filmed- and the police refused! And recall that it turned out he was totally innocent since his fiancee was still alive and had only fled. I point this out so you can understand why an attorney might automatically recommend that all of their clients refuse a polygraph test.

 

[hollyblue]

You can read his legal docs online here:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/106513655/Dale-Smith-Legal-Documents

Wow. First time of reading this and it really confirms my first thoughts.
He was possessive.

I truly believe he was not happy at all about her comments to the reporter after the case was heard and judgement was made. He was quite upset when he exited the court room...wanting to find and show the text she had sent him the night before (the court was to tape) saying she was confused about their relationship,etc--- because she had stated "It's over" in the courtroom to the judge. Plus the fact he truly made an arse of himself in doing so. He may not have heard what she said to the reporter until the airing on Nov 17 --and also may have recently become aware of the new (serious) bf. I think he was still hoping to manipulate her back into his life and met reality again with the airing of the case and the added knowledge of the new bf, NM. I think the twins were very much a part of that obsession and his ideological thinking.

The argument during the DV case of Dale and his second wife in Sept '00 pretty much seals it for me from her testimony. All this talk about how he was going to kill himself...or her along with him ....because he couldn't live without her. He's in the stockade, she returns to her parents, then 3 weeks later she returns to Orlando to live with Dale's parents again awaiting his release and then OD's while partying 7 mos later.

I don't know why he was continually slapped on the wrist for many of his failings.(except in the Marines)..especially the aggravated assault..surrounding a murder, but this with his attitude and anger problems has me very much concerned for the twins. He has learned nothing, imo, proved by the incident with the reporter being knocked to the ground. He's a manipulating bully when things don't go his way and still emotionally immature. JMO

NG tonight was pretty good on touching many different areas of the investigation tonight. Now if she could only get the first wife's input.

 

[LostOldUserName]

I was so hoping to wake up to good news ths morning! Finals are kicking my butt. I really wish there was something I could do to help Micheele's family.

 

[Sparky]

Help! I'm working on something and I'm looking for a MSM link for a search by OPD of Dale Smith's condo on Nov 17.

Does anyone remember seeing it? TIA

ETA I can't find one.

 

[Talina]

Help! I'm working on something and I'm looking for a MSM link for a search by OPD of Dale Smith's condo on Nov 17.

Does anyone remember seeing it? TIA

ETA I can't find one.

The only thing I remember seeing about that was DS's facebook posting where he says at 11:08 on 11/17 that LE had just left and had been searching his condo.

I don't think I've ever seen anything other than that facebook post.

 

[Dee in MD]

I rang up my dealer just now because mine is an Australian modified version of the same car, black too coincidentally, he says your American counterparts don't auto lock either.

Here are the 3 modes of lock for Hummers;

The following are the available modes:
Lock 1 (default): On vehicles with an automatic
transmission, this mode locks all of the doors when the
vehicle is shifted out of PARK (P) and unlocks all of
the doors when the vehicle is shifted into PARK (P).

On vehicles with a manual transmission, this mode locks
all of the doors when the vehicle speed is greater
than 15 mph (24 km/h) and unlocks all of the doors
when the key is removed from the ignition.

Lock 2: On vehicles with an automatic transmission,
this mode locks all of the doors when the vehicle
is shifted out of PARK (P) and unlocks the driver’s door
when the vehicle is shifted into PARK (P).

On vehicles with a manual transmission, this mode
locks all of the doors when the vehicle speed is greater
than 15 mph (24 km/h) and unlocks the driver’s door
when the key is removed from the ignition.

Lock 3: On vehicles with an automatic transmission,
this mode locks all of the doors when the vehicle
is shifted out of PARK (P). The doors will not
automatically unlock.

On vehicles with a manual transmission, this mode
locks all of the doors when the vehicle speed is
greater than 15 mph (24 km/h). The doors will not
automatically unlock.

 

[Sparky]

The only thing I remember seeing about that was DS's facebook posting where he says at 11:08 on 11/17 that LE had just left and had been searching his condo.

I don't think I've ever seen anything other than that facebook post.

Me either...

Ok what about a MSM link for Michelle's mom calling Dale Smith on Nov 17, or a time when she was reported missing?

I know I should know all this, but I can't find the MSM links and I've searched all over. Thought I could jog someone's memory here.

 

[Patty G]

Thanks to you and all who replied! I guess I wasn't very clear. My post was meant to convey only that it doesn't matter at this point if her son did or didn't call his mom exactly when he might have been expected to (i.e. 3:30pm). If he DID indeed call around 3:30, then LE no doubt has that info and it will be forthcoming as more info is released. But even if he didn't call until 6:50 pm, I don't see it as a big deal. He may have just been being an 11 year old and forgot to call. That's all I'm saying.

The other poster Patti G. was IMO making it seem like there was something suspicious about the son not calling his mom until 6:50 pm, and IF that's what she implied, I disagree. JMO. I hope that makes sense.

BBM

I feel and still feel there is a piece missing more so then making it appears there is something suspicious that the child did or didn't call.

Personally, I feel the child called and this is what I want to know.

Time-lines are very important in cases like this, and perhaps there are calls that we are not even aware of, of which, are missing pieces to the case.

I am not sure if you read this post in response to your post to me that explains why time-lines are so important.

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[~n/t~]

Me either...

Ok what about a MSM link for Michelle's mom calling Dale Smith on Nov 17, or a time when she was reported missing?

I know I should know all this, but I can't find the MSM links and I've searched all over. Thought I could jog someone's memory here.

IIRC, it was on Nancy Grace or Jane Velez Mitchell. Michelle's sister was the one who spoke about the phone calls. Michelle's mom called DS and his mother answered. A little while later he called her back and she told him that Michelle was missing.

I don't recall the day it aired though. Perhaps if you check CNN transcripts or someone else remembers or has it handy.

HTH

 

[cherilewis]

Help! I'm working on something and I'm looking for a MSM link for a search by OPD of Dale Smith's condo on Nov 17.

Does anyone remember seeing it? TIA

ETA I can't find one.

This was one I found that talks of it.


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...o-police-homicide-detectives-megacon-facebook

 

[imamaze]

Just a Reminder...

We are only sleuthing DS Jr. and Sr. at this time. Thanks.

Ima

 

[cherilewis]

Help! I'm working on something and I'm looking for a MSM link for a search by OPD of Dale Smith's condo on Nov 17.

Does anyone remember seeing it? TIA

ETA I can't find one.

Here's another one. More reliable, probably. JMO

http://abcnews.go.com/US/peoples-court-missing-mom-police-search-home-michelle/story?id=15035267

 

[Patty G]

Help! I'm working on something and I'm looking for a MSM link for a search by OPD of Dale Smith's condo on Nov 17.

Does anyone remember seeing it? TIA

ETA I can't find one.

I can't find an article that OPD searched Dale's condo on 11/17, however, I found one that shows they were there on 11/18, of which, matches the short video that was out there where you blew up the picture of the van.

WFTV was also there on Friday night when police took items from Smith's home. Investigators will not say if any evidence was taken from the home.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/police-search-33-year-old-missing-woman/nFg3d/

What is confusing about the above article, it states that the police were there Friday night, however, the time that the article was posted is:

Posted: 11:47 a.m. Friday, Nov. 18, 2011

You can't state Friday night and post the article Friday morning. Could this actually have been Thursday night especially because of the time of this article?