FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #10

[Sparky]

I can't find an article that OPD searched Dale's condo on 11/17, however, I found one that shows they were there on 11/18, of which, matches the short video that was out there where you blew up the picture of the van.

WFTV was also there on Friday night when police took items from Smith's home. Investigators will not say if any evidence was taken from the home.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/police-search-33-year-old-missing-woman/nFg3d/

What is confusing about the above article, it states that the police were there Friday night, however, the time that the article was posted is:

Posted: 11:47 a.m. Friday, Nov. 18, 2011

You can't state Friday night and post the article Friday morning. Could this actually have been Thursday night especially because of the time of this article?

I don't think the article was update. The reason I say this is because the video starts out with Michelle missing for over 30 hrs.

 

[Sparky]

Here's another one. More reliable, probably. JMO

http://abcnews.go.com/US/peoples-court-missing-mom-police-search-home-michelle/story?id=15035267

Thank you I have that one also.

 

[Patty G]

I don't think the article was update. The reason I say this is because the video starts out with Michelle missing for over 30 hrs.

I think the video was just put in there way after the article was written and added bits and pieces of earlier reports.

 

[Patty G]

Today Show
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45610738#null

 

[SuziQ]

I understand. Right now it doesn't really seem relevant. However, I can tell you from sleuthing the ping and cell phone records of all the players during the Casey Anthony case, it might be very relevant later on.

For instance, if we see records that indicate her 11 yr. old son was blowing up his mom's phone and she never answered, it would be a huge red flag. Likewise, if there were no calls made from Michelle's phone TO her son's cell after she knew he should be home, that too would be a big clue.

Make sense now?


eta: As to the relevance regarding the timeline, after we got the records in the Anthony case, sleuthers could account for her whereabouts for almost every minute of those 31 days. She loved her cell, just like Michelle is said to love hers. Cell phone records & pings are terrific tracking devices now. Especially now that so many are equipped with a GPS feature.

A few of the Anthony sleuthers accurately predicted where Caylee would be found based on the pings.

Welcome to WS SleuthDecay!

 

[Patty G]

Me either...

Ok what about a MSM link for Michelle's mom calling Dale Smith on Nov 17, or a time when she was reported missing?

I know I should know all this, but I can't find the MSM links and I've searched all over. Thought I could jog someone's memory here.

In this video, starting around ~18:30 is Lauren talking about the timeline. Now it doesn't have a specific time in it, but it appears everything started to roll after the 11 year old called at 6:50 PM.

Michelle Parker: News 11/30/11 - YouTube

Still looking for earlier MSM articles because the above video is from November 30, 2011

 

[Ironhorse]

Very good point! Another problem with DS is refusing a polygraph, thats never a good sign

I don't see that as meaning anything. The machines are totally unreliable and I wouldn't even submit to one if I was only to be asked if the sky is blue.

The aurora such a machine create is all negative, there is no innocence ever obtained from them.
1. Person refuses to take one (Implied guilt is assumed)
2. Person takes test and passes (Implied guilt is assumed, that they was just cleaver enough to trick their way by)
3. Person takes test and fails (Implied guilt is assumed, and it becomes a situation of see I told you so.)

Where and when does a person get any innocence with such machines?

 

[Sparky]

In this video, starting around ~18:30 is Lauren talking about the timeline. Now it doesn't have a specific time in it, but it appears everything started to roll after the 11 year old called at 6:50 PM.

Michelle Parker: News 11/30/11 - YouTube

Still looking for earlier MSM articles because the above video is from November 30, 2011

It sounds to me that Lauren may have called the police around 8:30 pm, give or take a few?

She says the police drove by and her vehicle wasn't there. Doesn't say the condo was searched.

Also, he was at his parents all evening per Dale to Lauren.

 

[TxLady2]

This IS NOT directed toward you because I have said this before, but I think that it is extremely dumb for LE to go on national TV and name a suspect. What the heck were they thinking????? How in God's name did that EVER help the investigation???? Now after searching one home, raiding another with a swat team and tank, multiple subpoenas and finding a phone they still have not arrested anyone. With all of this is there one shred of proof that Dale had anything to do with Michelle's disappearance? Not saying he didn't, but would really like to know. Maybe I have missed something in all these posts? I know a lot of people here keep saying don't worry they must have all kinds of evidence that they are not telling us about. One drop of blood, just one in Dale's home or his parents or anything half way damaging towards Dale would be enuff to arrest him.

It might not help the investigation, but it won't hurt it, or they would not have named him a suspect. We don't know everything they have on him, and that's the way they want to keep it until they know they've got a solid case. Once he's arrested, the Sunshine law kicks in, and his lawyer will be able to get everything they have on him. The clock is ticking.
He knows he's the prime suspect, it's making him nervous, he's going to slip up and say or do something stupid and that's all they will need. I believe they're waiting until they find Michelle, which is only a matter of time, unless he took her body hundreds of miles away. But even if they don't find her, they may have enough evidence that he killed her to make it stick.
We just don't know what they do have. Either way, it may be a smart move to name him a suspect, because that lets him know he isn't going to get away with it. They have reasons for what they do, it might not make sense to most of us, but it does to them. And that's all that matters.

 

[Talina]

It sounds to me that Lauren may have called the police around 8:30 pm, give or take a few?

She says the police drove by and her vehicle wasn't there. Doesn't say the condo was searched.

Also, he was at his parents all evening per Dale to Lauren.

Then I have some questions. On his facebook that evening he says police just left his condo after searching it. So how does he say that if he was at his parents all evening?

Also, when Michelle's mom called and got Dale's mom, she was told Dale wasn't there and then he called her back. So where was he when she called and so far I don't think we know what time that was either.

 

[Sparky]

This is only my opinion based on the information found below.

From the video link that Analyze This and Smooth have so kindly provided for me,


http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/video-report-police-continue-search-for-missing/vFHHr/

it is timestamped 11/18/2011. It starts off saying Michelle has been missing over 30 hrs. At 2:58 of the video the reporter says (paraphrasing) they were here about 10:30. Tonight when we stopped by his condo he was no where to be found.....

So if Dale Smith's condo was searched on Friday 11/18/2011, Michelle has been missing over 30 hrs, crime scene unit was there around 10:30 pm, and the reporter stopped by and no one was home....then why did

Dale Smith post on Thursday 11/17/2011 at 11:08 pm

Oh man, oh man, (expletive) Michelle the mother of my kids is missing, her mother called me and said she never showed up for work after dropping the kids off with me. The police just came by and searched my whole house, this isn't good. My kids need their mother.

At this link:

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/police-search-33-year-old-missing-woman/nFg3d/


WFTV was also there on Friday night when police took items from Smith's home. Investigators will not say if any evidence was taken from the home.

I realize this article was Posted: 11:47 a.m. Friday, Nov. 18, 2011
but if you read it, it's like it was updated and WFTV didn't stamp it as updated.

From ABC News

Smith Jr.'s condominium was similarly searched on Nov. 18.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/peoples-co...-home-michelle/story?id=15035267#.TuH9InMbVIM


In this video Lauren says she called the police and they drove by Dale Smith's condo and Michelle's vehicle wasn't there. She never says his condo was searched.

Michelle Parker: News 11/30/11 - YouTube
(Thank you Patti G)

So what am I missing here. Did OPD search on DSjr's condo on Thursday 11/17/2011 or was it Friday 11/18/2011
OR
Is Dale Smith lying?

 

[Ironhorse]

I believe I remember reading somewhere that by 6:50pm 11-17-11 the family had gotten LE involved in finding MP. Naturally the LE would go to the last place she was known to have been and that being DS Jr's home.
11-17-11
2:30pm friends last see MP
3:18pm new boyfriend receives text from MP
3:18pm MP drops off kids
4:30pm mysterious text sent from MP phone (Phone was traced to a cell tower in Belle Isle area)
6:50pm Family can't contact her and gets LE involved in finding her.
8:00pm MP phone is no longer transmitting a signal.
10:00pm? LE speak with DS jr at his home and ask if he knows of MP whereabouts
10:30pm Witness claims to have seen MP Hummer parked at Apartment Complex

11-18-11
12:30am LE find MP Hummer at apartment complex.

12-7-11
LE announce MP phone found

If we use that time line and take in account MP was headed home after dropping off the kids at DS Jr. Then there is but only one route she could have taken and that's Lee Vista Blvd going east to the toll road 417. To go any other route would not get her home to be there for her child coming home from school. If we estimate that she indeed traveled in the direction she needed to get home. That's a very short window because in order for the mysterious text to be sent from the Belle Isle area by her cell phone at 4:30pm, she couldn't have gotten far from DS Jr's home before whatever happen happened?

 

[What'sThatClue]

The only thing I can find is an OS article that references DS's FB posting. I'll keep looking.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...o-police-homicide-detectives-megacon-facebook

 

[TxLady2]

I don't see that as meaning anything. The machines are totally unreliable and I wouldn't even submit to one if I was only to be asked if the sky is blue.

The aurora such a machine create is all negative, there is no innocence ever obtained from them.
1. Person refuses to take one (Implied guilt is assumed)
2. Person takes test and passes (Implied guilt is assumed, that they was just cleaver enough to trick their way by)
3. Person takes test and fails (Implied guilt is assumed, and it becomes a situation of see I told you so.)

Where and when does a person get any innocence with such machines?

Never, because they don't prove innocence or guilt. It's only an investigative tool. It sometimes helps LE in determining who to look at during an investigation. If someone refuses to take one, we take that as a guilty sign, rather than believing they may have good reason for refusing. I don't know Dale Jr's reasons for not taking one, but it does make him look bad, IMO.
I had to take one years ago as a requirement for a job and I was scared spitless. They are intimidating, to say the least.
BTW, most LE will tell you that there is no "pass" or "fail", it's just percentages of deception on certain questions.

 

[Patty G]

I have such little faith with the media and getting dates accurate, and have seen this so often in many cases. Most of the media takes stuff from other articles and just makes it their own as fact.

IMO, either Dale was back at his condo OR OPD contacted Dale and asked him to come back to his condo and at that point, perhaps around 10:00 PM they searched his condo and then at 11:08 PM Dale posted on his Facebook page.

ETA: I also feel that the police came back to do a more extensive search on 11/18/11.

 

[Sparky]

Dispatched Calls For Service

Below is a list of the active calls for service being handled by officers of the Orlando Police Department. Call descriptions are based upon the information received at the time of dispatch; the final outcome of the investigation may vary. This information will be updated every ten minutes. The screen will automatically refresh approximately every 60 seconds. During periodic system backups, information on this screen will not be updated.


http://www.cityoforlando.net/police/activecalls/index.shtml


ETA OPD does not have scanner info, but I found this.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Well if DS has one ounce of intelligence he would know that all fingers were going to point to him. He was smart not to take the lie detector and I'm sure if he consulted an attorney they would have told him the same thing. Obviously he is going to be suspect #1 based on being the last person to see her and his past. Common sense should have told him that. To date I have not seen any proof that he did anything. I am not supporting him in any way and do not think he is a good guy by any stretch of the imagination but what if he didn't do it? It seems everyone has found him guilty before seeing one iota of evidence to prove this. Where is the proof? And if they had any he would be in jail right now wouldn't he? Is it not possible that somebody else did this?

 

[Patty G]

I sent an email to WFTV asking when they shot the footage of OPD searching the woods as well as the footage of OPD at his house showing Dale in the garage. IF and when they reply, I will post their response.

I think OPD was at the house on 11/17 to do an preliminary walk-through as well as a more extensive search on 11/18/

 

[Patty G]

If Michelle's mother or sister dialed 911 from the area they live, would it go to the Orlando Police Department?

 

[Reality Orlando]

If she was headed home as has been speculated then the fastest route would be the 417... Now as to why her vehicle would have been on the 408 I don't know. That is a little off the beaten path for someone heading back to the Oviedo/Genva/Sanford area...However getting from where she dropped off the kids to where we saw the vehicle wouldn't be all that difficult. It's only about a 20 minute drive from where she dropped off the twins to the 408/Alafaya trail exit...

408 is right off Goldenrod. I go to the cargo area of the Orlando airport (just past the condo is the back entrance to the International airport and all the cargo areas for all the major airlines) several times a week to pick up stock and I personally travel back down Goldenrod to 408 to 417 N to Oviedo/Geneva. Not sure if that's the fastest, but that's the route I"ve taken for years.