FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #14

[stilettos]

Here is the link to a snippet of footage of the search of DS2's condo. It is confusing because the article shows it being posted in the morning of the 18th but it does indicate at the 1:00 mark that "earlier" LE had searched the condo and removed possible clues. So it's unclear which day this took place, the 17th or the 18th.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/police-search-33-year-old-missing-woman/nFg3d/

I am reminded that they removed "possible clues" read *possible evidence* I really am certain that LE has valid reasons to have named him the prime suspect. They are looking for Michelle....if they don't find her...I think there is enough evidence to bring circumstantial case forward. Still praying they find Michelle.

 

[katydid23]

A number of things might have motivated Dale Jr. to harm Michelle, but I believe the trigget that caused him to snap and actually act on one of those motives that day was rejection.

In watching the PC video he complains to the judge that Michelle "didn't even invite me to the twins 3rd birthday party," even though she had already moved out.

And at the Dragon-Con convention where the ring-throwing incident occurred, he brought up a past boyfriend of Michelle's. She said they were broken up at the time, but it seems like it didn't matter. Broken up or not, he still seemed to think she belonged to him.

Perhaps he never knew about this new boyfriend until that day. If Michelle put her phone down for a second and Dale heard the ping and checked the phone and saw the hearts on the message from her new boyfriend, maybe that started it. And maybe the show added to it. Maybe she rejected that, too, as in, "that was a stupid idea and we both looked like idiots." JMO.

I wondered about something like that too. I know she was supposed to take her new bf to meet her father and that she was supposedly looking at houses to buy. I wondered if he said something 'nice' to her, like "why don't you come to my parents for dinner and we can hang out together." . And maybe she scoffed and said 'Not a chance. My new sweetheart is having dinner with dad and I. We are looking for houses together now."

I know that many jealous ex-boyfriends cannot stand the thought of the new
lovers spending time with their kids. I know Dale would hate that too. imo

 

[fran]

I never said he was never left alone. Just saying that he probably did call everyday when he was coming home. My son used to come home alone sometimes when he was about 12, but he did call me everyday when he got dropped off, to say he was inside safe at home. Then we discussed what time his little sister and I were going to be back home.

Who said he waited until 7 to see where Mom was ? I bet he called her at 3:45, waited and then called again a few times. Being a typical 11 yr old boy, he probably fixed a snack, and played video games until hungry for dinner.

But I do believe that if she was free to call her son at 3:45, she would have. No one is going to convince me that she was just driving around, going shopping or visiting friends, but she would ignore her son's call and not check in with him. That would not happen, imo.

I've skipped a few pages so that I can respond to this.

FWIW, the statement said something to the effect that he would call her and if she didn't pick up, she'd call him back within a few minutes. It went on to say, 'that didn't happen that day.'

This has been down-played in the media. But everyone thinkaboutit!

He WOULD have called her that day.
IF she was able to she would have returned his call.
It would have most likely been prior to 3:45, because IIRCC, they said something like, 'between 3:15 and 3:45.'
It went on to say, 'it didn't happen that day.

What didn't happen?
Most likely, she didn't return his call.
But, but, but...................NOTHING has been said in the media about WHERE she was when that phone call attempt was made.

LE hasn't released it, IMHO.

There's LOTS LE hasn't released. We just need to be patient.

JMHO
fran

PS.....about other posters posting about the FIRST alleged search of DSjr's condo by LE..........From past cases, initially LE will go into the house and just do a basic walk through. They are NOT allowed to even open closed drawers, lift bed skirts, open closet doors. Because if they did that WITHOUT a SW, anything they find canNOT be used in a court of law...............whatever they discover, has to be visible and not behind, under, in a closed drawer, etc.....fran

 

[~n/t~]

She was going to look for houses with her new bf and meet the parents? Where is this information coming from? Anybody have a link?

 

[Patty G]

I am confused as to why it seems so impossible with the time line that Dale did this. To me, it's simple. He argues with Michelle around 3:20 to 3:30 p.m.. The kids are either asleep in the car or in another room. He strangles her. He shoves her body in a place the kids won't see it. He calls his dad, panicked. He either asks him to come get the kids or he drives them over there. Kids are with grandparents. He drives back, (or is still there after dad picked up kids) takes decals off Hummer so it is not as identifiable as he's driving it, disposes of Michelle, Hummer and cell phone. Calls dad to pick him up from where Hummer was dumped. He's now back at his father's house, who gives him his "rock solid alibi". So rock solid that police storm violently into his dad's house at some point, to conduct a search warrant.

I don't see a problem. There are so many ways this could have occurred, either with his dad's direct knowledge, or not. Easy, to me.

It's easy with help, but what about all alone and not involving parents or friends.

All these phone calls back and forth of calling his father to pick up the children and pick Dale up after dropping off the Hummer, would all be on the cellphone records and easily listed and checked out.

FWIW, we have no clue if Dale, Sr. even drives a vehicle at this point, because after the custody hearing Dale Sr, got into the passenger seat and his wife drove the vehicle.

 

[Pias]

I'm not sure how the son calling at 6:50 pm messes up the timeline. Can you elaborate? If the family lied and said he called earlier, trying to imply he was only home for an hour or so, then I could see the timeline being altered. But I'm not getting why it matters if he is usually left alone or not. The bottom line is he called looking for his mom, because she never came home. IMO

As far as her weight, I have seen it on a poster and in certain news stories. She is listed as 5' 6" and 140 lbs. And I specifically remember that, because when someone mentioned DS could have placed her in a military duffle bag, I thought she'd be too big to fit (unless dismembered ). And I know for me and my two sisters, if any of us went missing, there would be no scars or moles to report either (at least not easily seen). So I don't really feel the family is holding back. They want her found.

ETA~ One poster can be found here:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/c...-her-youngest-children-dont-know-2008075.html

your first question: I was only commenting on generalities of the damage lying can cause in any given case or situation on a statement that was made by another. Perhaps you meant to address the same person I was with that question?

question 2: You are so right and I stand corrected! Thank you!
Oops!
:nevermind:

 

[Patty G]

Just catching up and I noticed that there is some question about whether there were video cameras on the gates to capture the comings and goings of vehicles in and out of the complex that day.

There are two entrance/exit gates and from the appearance of them on google maps, I don't really see where a video camera would be placed. There is no high post for them but these pictures are dated so perhaps posts have been installed. It would make no sense for them to be low to the ground. In fact I believe our poster who went to the location indicated that they saw a post but I don't believe they mentioned that they saw an actual camera on it. I'm sorry I can't remember who posted that they had read early on that the camera may have been removed to be fixed. Possible. On both gates?

First gate off S Goldenrod

Second gate off S Goldenrod

I honestly can't see DS2 not being arrested if LE have video that her and her vehicle never left the area intact after entering. Or if they have video of other suspicious vehicle behaviour going in and out of the gates that dispute his alibi.

MOO

Is there another way out of the development without going through these gates?

 

[Patty G]

For those of you who were asking about Dale's garage, here's a link to AlwaysWright's photos of his condo when she visited the area on 12/4. Dale's unit and garage is the one on the right.

http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa378/AlwaysWright01/#!cpZZ2QQtppZZ24

I wonder if these garage doors open manually, rather then with a electronic garage door opener.

 

[flourish]

bbm



I googled "storm trooper" armor because I wasn't sure WTH it was and got About 344,000 results (0.21 seconds)..........it's all over. You can order the stuff from many places and it's on ebay. But my question is you said you had access to it and you had to be in the 501rst to get it....so are you affiliated with the 501rst? :waitasec:

There is not just one kind of storm trooper. IIRC, there are storm troopers on bikes at one point in one of the movies, as well as other variations on the "foundation" costume, which allow him to be variations of the storm trooper. It was my impression that DS jr. has the main white armor components on a general storm trooper setup which, with small, but vital if you want to be serious, changes in accessories and/or pieces of the armor and/or weapons. IIRC, on the 501st site, Dale is shown posing as 3 types of storm trooper. I'm thinking that the 501st-only gear is a specific type of storm trooper and/or people who used to be in 501st probably sell it on ebay when they decide not to participate any longer (assuming there isn't some sort of contract with 501st stating the "special" gear had to be returned upon resignation or something, which would seem weird but?).

BBM

If you look at the FB comment on 11/17 you can tell it's from a computer. If it were a cell then it would have a little pic of a cell phone under the post. So, IMO he was somewhere with a internet connection to a computer.

It is possible to access FB from other electronic devices than just computers and phones. My first generation Kindle doesn't show up as a mobile device when I post from there. It looks exactly the same as it does when I post on the computer. I know that for certain--I don't know if the newer Kindles are the same way or not.
My husband posts from his ipad all the time and his posts also do not have the little "mobile" icon.
My niece is frequently grounded from the computer. She somehow logs in to FB using a PSP, which DH has but I've never tried to go online with it, and I can't recall if her posts have that icon or not, but I don't think so.

Okay, i noticed that someone didn't agree that a costume could have 'contained' m. Well, your probably right! But, if I was trying to keep bodily fluids contained, i, for one, will not toss out that possibility when a guy has to use what he has on hand. If his costumes were completely accounted for then of course it would throw that theory out the window, but the question, for me, still remains. Were all of his costumes and accessories accounted for? Had any costume been rented around Halloween? Was every accessory returned?

Respectfully snipped by me, for space and emphasis.
A storm trooper costume isn't going to be one huge piece of airtight plastic. There is no way I can conceive of that a costume would contain body fluids. I don't mean this in a snippy way, I'm just saying...there's no costume that is airtight enough to contain fluids because then people couldn't wear it b/c they'd suffocate. Am I misunderstanding the question?


Rant alert:
In response to no one but some general observations:
I'm getting weary of the admonishments ie: people who are sleuthing DS jr. are closed-minded and will regret it if he's innocent. This has been going on since thread 1. We're all adults here an can consider the ramifications of posting about a case. Posting and sleuthing is the whole point of being here, so people are bound to be doing some speculation here. If we didn't, we wouldn't be very good sleuths.

Not buying into an alternative scenario that doesn't fit as logically as another scenario isn't being close-minded, it's using your own logic and reasoning. Opinions are based in part on logic and reasoning. We respect people's opinions here. I love that people are bouncing off ideas here, but we aren't allowed to sleuth people who aren't identified to us in some way as being "sleuthable." I generally think of that as "if the cops are not indicating in any way that they are sleuthing this person, then I'm not going to either."

In any case, we're all feeling frustration with this case due to the time it's been and the lack of information being made public. Let's not let that frustration turn into a snark-fest.

I'm not a mod nor pretending to be, just a frustrated Ws'er.

 

[Patty G]

Here is the link to a snippet of footage of the search of DS2's condo. It is confusing because the article shows it being posted in the morning of the 18th but it does indicate at the 1:00 mark that "earlier" LE had searched the condo and removed possible clues. So it's unclear which day this took place, the 17th or the 18th.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/police-search-33-year-old-missing-woman/nFg3d/

I contacted WFTV and they told me that the search and the presence of WFTV was on the 18th. The media was NOT aware of Michelle's disappearance until the morning of 11/18.

The reporter is talking about LE being at the condo earlier (11/18), and then reporter knock on the condo door after LE left and there was no answer. This was all on the 18th.

 

[Patty G]

She was going to look for houses with her new bf and meet the parents? Where is this information coming from? Anybody have a link?

I do recall that Michelle was going to have dinner with her father so he could meet the new bf, but I think I recall that as being on Friday 11/18.

 

[telemag]

I still don't see Dale pre-planning this because he wanted to stop paying child support. Lots of guys pay it and YES lots of bad men pay it too and don't plan to kill there ex's at their own condo with the kids present. I'm sure it could happen of course, but to pre-plan this I just can't see him doing this and I repeat, in the day time with the twins present at this own condo! Way too many things could have gone wrong. IF Dale planned on killing her because of child support then I can think of many other ways to do it. The girl wroked at a bar so how easy would it have been for him to intercept her as she drove home? The WORST place you can pre-plan to kill someone is at your own home!!

If Dale flew into a rage it really must have been something very bad to set him off. Maybe it was the episode of PC? I don't think that Dale was sitting at home thinking gee I looked pretty bad on that show so when Michelle gets here I'm gonna kill her. If he did rage then it was probabley something that Michlle said to him to pi$% him off. I'm sure she knew how to push buttons when she wanted too. I can see this happening, but he got more than lucky in sooooo many ways.

 

[Darcyline]

If Dale flew into a rage it really must have been something very bad to set him off.

Not necessarily. People with bad tempers can fly off the handle with little to no reasoning. The wind blew on them that day. They got 7 hours of sleep instead of 8. She could have made a face at him when she walked in and it set him off.
People with tempers really do not make sense. They can be ok with someone cutting them off in traffic and then beat their children when they get home because they look at him/her wrong.

 

[telemag]

Not necessarily. People with bad tempers can fly off the handle with little to no reasoning. The wind blew on them that day. They got 7 hours of sleep instead of 8. She could have made a face at him when she walked in and it set him off.
People with tempers really do not make sense. They can be ok with someone cutting them off in traffic and then beat their children when they get home because they look at him/her wrong.

So basically what you are saying is that people with "bad tempers" can fly off the handle and kill someone at anytime for basically nothing?

 

[stilettos]

I still don't see Dale pre-planning this because he wanted to stop paying child support. Lots of guys pay it and YES lots of bad men pay it too and don't plan to kill there ex's at their own condo with the kids present. I'm sure it could happen of course, but to pre-plan this I just can't see him doing this and I repeat, in the day time with the twins present at this own condo! Way too many things could have gone wrong. IF Dale planned on killing her because of child support then I can think of many other ways to do it. The girl wroked at a bar so how easy would it have been for him to intercept her as she drove home? The WORST place you can pre-plan to kill someone is at your own home!!

If Dale flew into a rage it really must have been something very bad to set him off. Maybe it was the episode of PC? I don't think that Dale was sitting at home thinking gee I looked pretty bad on that show so when Michelle gets here I'm gonna kill her. If he did rage then it was probabley something that Michlle said to him to pi$% him off. I'm sure she knew how to push buttons when she wanted too. I can see this happening, but he got more than lucky in sooooo many ways.

Didn't take a "really bad" thing to set him off to participate in murder. IIRC they just picked a random innocent dude to target. I don't recall his exwife who died doing much to set him off when he beat her up and sent her to the hospital. This man has a history of violence...the wind blowing could set him off.

****and I never, ever blame a victim for doing something "really bad" to get themselves killed.

 

[Patty G]

Michelle Parker - Dinner with Father

Launer said that nothing seemed wrong with Parker when she saw her Wednesday night. Parker had made plans to have an oyster dinner with her dad on Friday night and the friends had planned a bonfire for Saturday so that Launer could meet Mitchell for the first time.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/michelle-p...iend-describes/story?id=15015584#.Tu1HcGPNlGU

 

[JadedGrace]

I would think that any responsible parent wouldn't kill the mother of their children once the mother drops off her children with their father either, however, it does happen.

I am back to still working on how Dale did this alone, while the children are with him.

I can come up with a few - running on the assumption he had no accomplice for the murder (and obviously speaking only in a manner of IF he did not, saying he DID do it) seeing as I know you've asked for theories on how he could have done it both by himself, and with the twins.

As others have stated- perhaps the twins arrived already asleep, or they brought them into the home , they sat down with a show on tv, a snack (having just left day care they very well could have been hungry) toy etc to preoccupy them and dale says "i need to speak with you, can we talk away from the kids" (my ex and I make it a point not to discuss issues in front of our child, so IMO it wouldn't be out of the norm to step into another room , the garage, outside, etc momentarily to speak) And that is when the act occurred. If he came from behind her, he could have strangled her very quickly and quietly (he is a former marine - he has been trained in this) or used chloroform etc to subdue her, quickly and quietly. ( my own opinion- I do not believe the children witnessed or heard anything , or dale would not willingly be giving visitations to Michelle's family). She may have been killed at that moment, or she may have just been subdued/restrained. If she were killed, she may have been loaded into a vehicle at that moment, and unknowingly the children may have been placed in the same vehicle- or the kids could have been loaded up and she left at the condo for later. (same goes for is she was still alive , just restrained) Dale drops the children off with his parents (who may or may not have known - let's assume at the time they knew nothing) and says there is some issue (any issue) he needs to take care of- he will return later.

Not saying any of that did or did not happen- just posing theories.

Have heard all kinds of theories about how this may have transpired from Dale snapping and killing Michelle to methodically planning to kill her. My question is and yes they have been posted before, what was Dale's motive? The reason I ask again is that I don't remember reading one so far that really fit into the equation of him either snapping or planning this out for this "specific" time period. Thanks

I've stated before I am a domestic violence victim's advocate -
to give a little background on DV and the psychology - Domestic abuse is generally about power and control. The abuser abuses because they want to be in control. Feeling a loss of "control" often triggers an attack. Assuming he had just finished watching the taping of the show shortly before she arrived- it would indicate that for the first time he saw her comment at the end about finally "being done" with the relationship. Considering he was trying to bring up texts in the same post court room interview that showed "she wanted to get back together" it is quite possible that viewing the show on tv was the first time he had heard her say she was "over him". For an abuser - that very well could cause a rage or a "snap". He was disrespected, and not in control.

Not saying that happened- just speculating on potential motive.

oh I don't see that happening just based on one 3 yr old but 2? They are not going to sit there nicely. They are going to spill milk and crush cookies while running around like their hairs on fire. They may not even stay in the room unless you have it locked or child proof.

This depends on the child - My child very much would sit calmly and behave appropriately . Some children would not. If I told my child I needed to speak with someone (especially dad) and was going to step into another room that would not be an issue.

Who's to say they didn't run around like crazy in their room/playroom while mom and dad "talked" anyway ?

 

[imamaze]

Working on a new thread, will be closing this one in a few...

Ima

 

[Jazzmaster]

I still don't see Dale pre-planning this because he wanted to stop paying child support. Lots of guys pay it and YES lots of bad men pay it too and don't plan to kill there ex's at their own condo with the kids present. I'm sure it could happen of course, but to pre-plan this I just can't see him doing this and I repeat, in the day time with the twins present at this own condo! Way too many things could have gone wrong. IF Dale planned on killing her because of child support then I can think of many other ways to do it. The girl wroked at a bar so how easy would it have been for him to intercept her as she drove home? The WORST place you can pre-plan to kill someone is at your own home!!

If Dale flew into a rage it really must have been something very bad to set him off. Maybe it was the episode of PC? I don't think that Dale was sitting at home thinking gee I looked pretty bad on that show so when Michelle gets here I'm gonna kill her. If he did rage then it was probabley something that Michlle said to him to pi$% him off. I'm sure she knew how to push buttons when she wanted too. I can see this happening, but he got more than lucky in sooooo many ways.

I think a plan was premeditated and events that took place on the 17th set his plan in motion. Someone with a general disregard for human life can go into killer mode in a heart beat.

 

[JadedGrace]

So basically what you are saying is that people with "bad tempers" can fly off the handle and kill someone at anytime for basically nothing?

To put it simply- Yes.

It is important to be clear that when speaking of a person who commits domestic battery- it is not the same as talking about someone who is just an irritable jerk. We aren't talking about just a rude person with a bad attitude or a "temper". Having a "temper" is not always the same thing as being a batterer. Some one can be easily angered without being abusive.

Someone who commits domestic battery can be "triggered" by anything. Things that to a non-abusive person wouldn't be an issue. They view their victims as "property". The victim cuts their hair without permission, wears an outfit they don't like, burns dinner- anything can set off an attack. Anything.

To point out- I am speaking on the question of what could or couldn't set off an abuser/motive etc. I am NOT claiming to know that Dale was/is abusive, or falls into the category of a domestic batterer. (I do believe, based on more than one reported case of abuse, that he does in fact have domestic violence issue- but that is my opinion only). I am simply stating that IF he was a domestic batterer, THEN yes, something seemingly insignificant could set him off.

Domestic abuse tends to progress in severity with time. Often resulting in death or near death of the abused.