FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #17

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  • #101
BBM.

Respectfully, I think you're assuming that the Sand Lake/ Orange Ave. ping was the Waterford text because it is the only other ping that the public knows about before the phone powered down.

That's not the same thing as being the only other ping. LE is holding back a lot of stuff, no doubt. A phone will record a ping when a text or call is incoming. Michelle was a busy girl, we can assume her son and others had been calling and texting her before 8:08 p.m. when that phone either died or was turned off. Her family says they were doing just that.

I think the most that can be said of the Waterford text is that it when it was sent, Michelle's phone was not in that area.

BBM Respectfully disagree.

The importance of that ping is that it occurred before the Hummer could have gotten to that area, based on the surveillance camera info. The iPhone could not have been in the naked Hummer that left at 4:40 or the black maybe-Hummer that left after 5pm. For the iPhone to have gotten to Sand Lake and S Orange by 4:26, it must have left the condo by 4:00 pm. It means that the ''sightings" on Aloma and Lee Vista, if substantiated were made when Michelle was separated from her iPhone. Ask her friends and family how likely was it that Michelle would relinquish her cell phone voluntarily, particularly if she had her son waiting to hear for her.
 
  • #102
BBM

WHAT does that mean?


MOO It means that Michelle was unable to use her cell phone by 4:20. It means that she "loaned" her cell phone to a friend even though she needed to call her son and reassure him that she would be home soon. It means that her cell phone left the condo by 3:50-4:00pm, before the surveillance video shows ANY Hummer leaving.

MOO MOO MOO
 
  • #103
I don't recall if it has ever been mentioned who her provider is. May I ask why? :)


In California it has to be ATT or Verizon. Most are ATT because it's a hassle to change carriers and for years apple was compatible only with ATT.
 
  • #104
Totally OT here, but I just had to share this with you guys--you were the first ones I thought of when I saw this.

So this morning, I'm driving down the Interstate on the way to work and noticed a man walking down the side of the interstate, which, unfortunately, is not uncommon for around here. The uncommon thing was what he was wearing:
Shorts, t-shirt, tennis shoes, a CAPTAIN AMERICA shield and sword, and possibly some sort of shoulder pad vest thingy with a Captain America symbol on it. Now, there are NO sci-fi or superhero or comic conventions going on anywhere near my town, so this guy has no excuse! Ah what a sight.

As for the weed, my goodness people are silly sometimes! If you know you and your family are being watched and suspected in a murder investigation, you GET RID OF YOUR POT long before now!?!?!?!?!? That's Marijuana Cultivator 101!!! (or so I've heard...) :angel:
 
  • #105
No GrammaMaybe. With all the van sleuthing we have definitely come to the conclusion that the van on the street in front of the neighbour's condo in the surveillence video is NOT the same van as seen multiple times in DSJr's driveway. Two different vans and at this time we have no idea who owns the one seen on the street.

I don't think I read that Michelle's shoes were in the Hummer when it was found. Was there any discussion about this that I missed? What type of shoes was she wearing? That information opens up some interesting possibilities IMO.

MOO


BBM MOO

During one the broadcasts of 11/18, the reporter made a comment about the purse being found and something about shoes. Bizarre if not true. I'm just being lazy and don't want to have to chase down the link so asking if anyone remembers it also.
 
  • #106
Totally OT here, but I just had to share this with you guys--you were the first ones I thought of when I saw this.

So this morning, I'm driving down the Interstate on the way to work and noticed a man walking down the side of the interstate, which, unfortunately, is not uncommon for around here. The uncommon thing was what he was wearing:
Shorts, t-shirt, tennis shoes, a CAPTAIN AMERICA shield and sword, and possibly some sort of shoulder pad vest thingy with a Captain America symbol on it. Now, there are NO sci-fi or superhero or comic conventions going on anywhere near my town, so this guy has no excuse! Ah what a sight.

As for the weed, my goodness people are silly sometimes! If you know you and your family are being watched and suspected in a murder investigation, you GET RID OF YOUR POT long before now!?!?!?!?!? That's Marijuana Cultivator 101!!! (or so I've heard...) :angel:

:floorlaugh:
 
  • #107
BBM MOO

During one the broadcasts of 11/18, the reporter made a comment about the purse being found and something about shoes. Bizarre if not true. I'm just being lazy and don't want to have to chase down the link so asking if anyone remembers it also.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpps/n...d-for-missing-mom-increases-to-63000_16079997

This is the only one I remember and can find. Will keep looking, although I'm 99% sure nothing was ever said or written about shoes. I've always remembered it being her purse and favorite CDs. HTH
 
  • #108
Totally OT here, but I just had to share this with you guys--you were the first ones I thought of when I saw this.

So this morning, I'm driving down the Interstate on the way to work and noticed a man walking down the side of the interstate, which, unfortunately, is not uncommon for around here. The uncommon thing was what he was wearing:
Shorts, t-shirt, tennis shoes, a CAPTAIN AMERICA shield and sword, and possibly some sort of shoulder pad vest thingy with a Captain America symbol on it. Now, there are NO sci-fi or superhero or comic conventions going on anywhere near my town, so this guy has no excuse! Ah what a sight.

As for the weed, my goodness people are silly sometimes! If you know you and your family are being watched and suspected in a murder investigation, you GET RID OF YOUR POT long before now!?!?!?!?!? That's Marijuana Cultivator 101!!! (or so I've heard...) :angel:

Don't go by me 'cause I vaguely remember when an ounce was a lot. Or at least enough.

I dunno what to say about Captain America.
 
  • #109
Unless the Tip Line website obfuscates, 4:26 is the Sand Lake/S Orange ping: Waterford. It's important because it is south of the shortest route from the Condo to where the Hummer was abandoned. Why did Michelle's cell go south?
 
  • #110
BBM Respectfully disagree.

The importance of that ping is that it occurred before the Hummer could have gotten to that area, based on the surveillance camera info. The iPhone could not have been in the naked Hummer that left at 4:40 or the black maybe-Hummer that left after 5pm. For the iPhone to have gotten to Sand Lake and S Orange by 4:26, it must have left the condo by 4:00 pm. It means that the ''sightings" on Aloma and Lee Vista, if substantiated were made when Michelle was separated from her iPhone. Ask her friends and family how likely was it that Michelle would relinquish her cell phone voluntarily, particularly if she had her son waiting to hear for her.

Do we really know for sure about the time of the Sand Lake/Orange Ave. ping? I would say no. That website made at least two statements in error, so I have reservations about what else they mention in that writeup. For all we know, there was a ping around the area of that intersection that was significantly later than the Waterford text. The Waterford text could very well have pinged in the area of Goldenrod and Lee Vista.

The fact that we can debate this here and come to such different conclusions tells me that we do not have a verified answer. To me, a confirmed answer means that someone who knows the answer (such as LE) makes a statement about the facts.

I'm not saying that the Waterford ping absolutely didn't happen at Sand Lake and S. Orange Ave. I'm just saying that it hasn't been confirmed, and so at this point, all we know for certain is that the location of the Waterford ping was not Waterford.
 
  • #111
Unless the Tip Line website obfuscates, 4:26 is the Sand Lake/S Orange ping: Waterford. It's important because it is south of the shortest route from the Condo to where the Hummer was abandoned. Why did Michelle's cell go south?

I think the way it's written on the Crimeline site is confusing:

Michelle Parker was last seen in the area of Lee Vista / S. Goldenrod Rd on Thursday, November 17, 2011 at approximately 4:15 pm. Information received from her cell phone indicates Michelle was later in the area of Sandlake Road / Orange Avenue.

http://www.cfcrimeline.com/most_recent.htm

For me, the word "later" is important.

Also, I didn't know she was spotted in that area at 4:15 p.m. I frankly find the whole Crimeline entry really really confusing.
 
  • #112
I think the way it's written on the Crimeline site is confusing:

Michelle Parker was last seen in the area of Lee Vista / S. Goldenrod Rd on Thursday, November 17, 2011 at approximately 4:15 pm. Information received from her cell phone indicates Michelle was later in the area of Sandlake Road / Orange Avenue.

http://www.cfcrimeline.com/most_recent.htm

For me, the word "later" is important.

Also, I didn't know she was spotted in that area at 4:15 p.m. I frankly find the whole Crimeline entry really really confusing.

Well technically the last person to have "seen" MP was DSJr. And according to everything I've read, he claimed to have last seen her when she arrived around 4pm to drop off the children that day. So perhaps that is where they are getting that information. The closest intersection to the Carter Glenn condos is S Goldenrod and Lee Visa so it makes sense for them to use this intersection to describe the area where DSJr lives and where MP was last seen. So if they are going by DSJr's last sighting, he may have said 10 minutes...15 minutes tops that MP stayed around after the drop off...hence, last seen about 4:15pm.

Speaking of that, while we are grateful for every piece of evidence that the media can produce, I can't help thinking that the release of that surveillence video by TP and his news station put a real crimp in this investigation. Prior to that, as far as we know, DSJr was talking to LE and had given them a 4pm time for Michelle arriving, which they and now we know was a lie. Who knows what else he was saying. I'll bet it was after that video was released that he clammed up and stopped talking. LE already likely had him in a whole bunch of lies and were requesting the polygraph. The video release just put him on alert I think that they were on to him. I also think that's why we got all the talk from MP's sister about how the time on the tape was wrong and that it was impossible for MP to have gotten there that early. I think she was trying to do damage control so that DSJr would continue to talk and lie. Might have worked too if the media hadn't gone on to verify that the time was in fact correct. I think it was about 4 days later when DSJr was named a suspect and a day after that when he lawyered up.

Had that tape not come out, who knows where we would be with this investigation today. :(

MOO
 
  • #113
OK "if" witness saw DS2 was in his red truck with kids at Dads at 4:30 PM...Since NeJames said this....I have to consider the possibility that this occured....Ne James didnt say red truck but if the witness said Hummer I dont think he would have brought it up at all. Im sure LE has found this witness or neighbor by now and asked.

Then its gonna be hard to place DaleJR in the hummer also along this sand lake rd route about the same time.

My theory was Little Dale calls Big Dale at 3:30 and he gets to condo at 4PM and one takes the hummer with Michelle and the other is to drop the kids off at grandmas and then pick the other one up at Walden. I had DaleJr with the hummer and Michelle Iphone and DaleSr with the kids.

But then Mark NeJames coming forward with a witness made me change who was driving what .... so then I had Sr in the hummer and Dale dropping children off and picks up dad... But then that makes the Sr disposing of Michelle in route to walden. But maybe not maybe they have michelle in red truck and Dads job was to just get the hummer somewhere. Dalejr drop off kids, drops off Michelle and picks up dad.

And you know really Michelle could have been left at the condo .. until after the hummer was placed at walden as early as 5PM and both go back to condo and get Michelle at 5:45 and dispose of her in the total opposite direction of the Hummer. Then back to parents home by 8PM drops dad off and goes home again( with or without the kids IDK).

There are so many more possibilities when two people are involved.

P.S. it seems the Hummer and the Iphone was together when the 4:26 text was sent if the pings have the Iphone on SandLake and the witness sighting of the Hummer on SandLake about the same time are factural.

Again all is just theories and speculation on my part...

I still have yet to see any evidence of where the 4:26 text pinged? Do we have definitive confirmation?
 
  • #114
Well technically the last person to have "seen" MP was DSJr. And according to everything I've read, he claimed to have last seen her when she arrived around 4pm to drop off the children that day. So perhaps that is where they are getting that information. The closest intersection to the Carter Glenn condos is S Goldenrod and Lee Visa so it makes sense for them to use this intersection to describe the area where DSJr lives and where MP was last seen. So if they are going by DSJr's last sighting, he may have said 10 minutes...15 minutes tops that MP stayed around after the drop off...hence, last seen about 4:15pm.

Speaking of that, while we are grateful for every piece of evidence that the media can produce, I can't help thinking that the release of that surveillence video by TP and his news station put a real crimp in this investigation. Prior to that, as far as we know, DSJr was talking to LE and had given them a 4pm time for Michelle arriving, which they and now we know was a lie. Who knows what else he was saying. I'll bet it was after that video was released that he clammed up and stopped talking. LE already likely had him in a whole bunch of lies and were requesting the polygraph. The video release just put him on alert I think that they were on to him. I also think that's why we got all the talk from MP's sister about how the time on the tape was wrong and that it was impossible for MP to have gotten there that early. I think she was trying to do damage control so that DSJr would continue to talk and lie. Might have worked too if the media hadn't gone on to verify that the time was in fact correct. I think it was about 4 days later when DSJr was named a suspect and a day after that when he lawyered up.

Had that tape not come out, who knows where we would be with this investigation today. :(

MOO

BBM and ITA. I still want to know how TP got his hands on that tape when it was already in LE custody.
 
  • #115
Just wanting to hear from anyone what their theories are. DS Jr's atty MJ is right about one thing: it's a lot to pull off in a short amount of time.
 
  • #116
Just wanting to hear from anyone what their theories are. DS Jr's atty MJ is right about one thing: it's a lot to pull off in a short amount of time.

Not really a time issue with a plan (premeditated or cover up plan)

Dale had 42 mins from the start of crime to include 30 mins of drive time. That is IF he truly was seen at 4:30 at his parents by a witness that DOESN'T have "Smith" in their name. We have no proof that said witness exists.

Then after arriving at parents, he has from 430-7:30ish - (realistically only has until 8pm work shift when he knows she will be reported missing). This leaves 3 hours. Now if Michelle was taken by an accomplice the time is unlimited...

So here are three scenarios I throw out:

A: Within first 42 mins Michelle is killed. She is somewhere within a 20-25 mile radius of Dale Jr or Sr home. He has 42 mins of time/distance on either side of his or his dad's property.

B: Michelle is hidden during 3 hours of Dale's missing time (4:30-7:30 when Dale wouldn't answer phone: where was he?) - this gives a 90 mile radius from sr home

C: unlimited radius if accomplice takes Michelle anytime after 3:18 - no endpoint or evidence leading to this person that we know of. If anyone other than Dale did the "dirty" work time is irrelevant because we cannot account for unknown person's wherabouts.

So to answer your question, it is very easy for Dale to have done this. All he needed to do was kill and hide her body and hummer between 3:18-4:00. He leaves at 4 to get to parent's for 4:30. Drops kids off with mom and runs out for "errands".
 
  • #117
Audie, see my post, #92.
Okay just did. Not sure how I missed your post before. Anyway, I'm not sure how to find the tax appraiser's website either, but I'll give it a try.
 
  • #118
Okay, audie, here's my attempt to put a couple of pix in here from that site:
Woohoo! Yea that's what I'm talkin about. Thanks! Is there one looking west?

Doesn't it look like there could be 2 hummers parked across the street? One white and one black? Hard to tell though.
 
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Just trying to think what lead LE & the family out that way. Possible DS2 cell pings were discovered out that way???

ALL MOO

I have not seen LE out there. All the vehicles I've seen are private. Unless they were undercover which I doubt. This one has a very large missing poster on the back window.
 
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