FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #19

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If someone did this to "frame" DS, I think Michelle would have been left someplace she was sure to be found, a place frequented or known by DS...JMO
 
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Quote by Jazzmaster:

IMO November 17th was carefully chosen to provide reasonable doubt. Michelle was embarrassed. Did she just disappear to avoid embarrassment? Dale’s actions on FB via his bragging about being on the show add credibility to this day being important. He can then say, “Hey look I wasn’t mad I was telling everyone about it”… The date helps him with reasonable doubt. Why would he be that stupid to plan that date? IMO it helps him more than harms him...

***Respectfully snipped***

I agree 100%. I think he had two scenarios planned...First scenario... I think that particular day was planned 1) to make people think "there is no way he would do it the day People's Court aired" and like you said he posted it on his facebook so people wouldn't think he was mad or embarrassed at all about it airing. or 2)that she was embarrassed.
Second scenario is to say that she went shopping and make it look as if she disappeared then. Then plant the Hummer near the mall.

I agree by him doing it at his condo, he was comfortable. All of this just points to Dale IMO.
 
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Actually this is a bad area for car thefts. And other thing, why didn't the person just take the decal off and toss it into the back seat or just toss it period? The purpose of taking the decal off was to drive it to this location without it being noticed as the missing hummer of Michelle Parker. So you take it off, toss it aside and drive to the location and leave, but once again, someone had to pick you up, because you don't have wheels. But they took the decal with them. Was it because of prints on the decal, or just couldn't leave it in the trash as it incriminates you, or you took it with you when your ride came?

I am considering the possiabity that Dale was set up.

1. Someone could have known he would be looked at, because of his history.
2. Hummer is left to be found, decal is gone.
3 Purse and ID left for LE to find and confirm early on it is Michelle's hummer.
4 Phone tossed close to Dale's condo
5 Someone knew the camera was at the condo and made sure they went out another way.
6 Dale is last person with her, maybe they knew her schedule of dropping off twins.
7 Knew the PC aired that day; so why would Dale pick this day to make her go missing?

there is more, but you get the picture. These are all red flags to me.

LE Is checking everyone in her life I am sure, but you have to; she worked at a bar and did spray tanning out of the Hummer. Someone could have been watching her and knew they wouldn't be looked at because of Dale.


I TOTALLY agree and understand from the get go about removing the sticker...either a "stick on" or one "airbrushed" onto the windows. To make it "stealth", so to speak. NOT able to ID when driving to that spot, etc.
BUT, the WANTING the truck to be found is somewhat of a contradiction to that, no??? The "Glow" info was obviously removed to make the truck LESS identifiable and making it appear to be just any ol' Hummer parked in that lot.

The truck being found so quickly in that complex was due to the LE officer doing a "routine" drive by, saw the Hummer, probably had a BOLO, most likely RAN THE PLATES and found that, yes, indeed it was MP's missing truck.
But for that fact, the truck could have sat there for days/weeks till someone from the complex complained, etc.
Since you said the area was a known area for car thefts, the purse, etc could have been left to "sweeten the pot", so to speak, to entice car thieves ??

With all that being said, the part of the puzzle STILL bugging me is the parking the truck in THAT particular place...THAT particular complex.

At any rate...the truck WAS found, it's in police custody, it's been checked...don't know for sure if anything of evidentiary value was "really" found or not.

We just need to hope and pray LE finds answers.

Another question...wonder about DS2's phone, etc being analyzed???
Are all these reports available to the public with Fla's Sunshine Law??? I know search warrants were sealed, I wonder about cell phone/ping info??
 
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Maybe DS2 is trying to make it look like someone is trying to frame him??
 
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Seems the case is slowing down a bit… I've seen a few good theories thrown out the past few days… IMO I think "if" Dale WAS framed it's probably the same guy who framed Josh Powell & OJ... Just saying

If you have followed the case from the beginning and tracked Dale's activity (online and in person), his inactions and behavior, IMO none of this would lead a person to reasonably conclude Dale played no role in Michelle's disappearance. IMO there is evidence linking Dale to various online “personas” on Facebook and other forums that if he were “innocent” such evidence would not exist… Why take time to blame the victim if you truly care about her, concerned about your kids not having a mother, and want to see her found?

Snipped and bolded by me..

<modsnip> I get it you don't like him! What does going by a different name however many years ago have to do with being innocent or guilty? In fact everyone here has some type of online "persona" unless of course you go by Jazzmaster in your everyday life. I know I don't go by honeybee. Also I'm not sure what you meant by if he were innocent such evidence would not exist could you please explain. I would also like a link where it is stated that DS is blaming the victim not some person online that you are speculating is him because that just adds fuel to the fire. I have not seen anything like that. So please if I'm wrong show me.
 
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Honeybee....while you're on here, perhaps you missed my questions earlier but can you tell us where DSJr lived and worked in the past 10 years prior to his purchasing the condo and working for Masco?

ETA: Sorry one more question. Do you know if he has or had a girlfriend at the time of Michelle's disappearance. Had he in fact "moved on"?

TIA
 
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Well that was quick... this is no longer a valid link. ??? Had some interesting info gathered in one place.

This right here is another reason that i think the guilt is pointing towards DS (whether it be Sr. or Jr) It seems like every time we post something that we find that has to do with them, it gets erased. ie, his facebook likes, photos, etc. Why would he need to delete these things if he is innocent? Innocent people have no reason to cover their tracks.... It just makes him look more and more guilty to me...
IMO... moo and all that jazz....:moo:
 
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This right here is another reason that i think the guilt is pointing towards DS (whether it be Sr. or Jr) It seems like every time we post something that we find that has to do with them, it gets erased. ie, his facebook likes, photos, etc. Why would he need to delete these things if he is innocent? Innocent people have no reason to cover their tracks.... It just makes him look more and more guilty to me...
IMO... moo and all that jazz....:moo:

Well, for one thing that pearltree link was not an MSM link and we have no idea who it belonged to.

But you're right...DSJR, family and friends too, deleted most everything that might have anything to do with the case, both before and after Michelle went missing. Why delete anything at all if you're innocent? The only reason I can think of is that msm would grab innocent postings and blow them out of proportion. Still...to delete most everything is highly suspicious. JMO
 
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Well, for one thing that pearltree link was not an MSM link and we have no idea who it belonged to.

But you're right...DSJR, family and friends too, deleted most everything that might have anything to do with the case, both before and after Michelle went missing. Why delete anything at all if you're innocent? The only reason I can think of is that msm would grab innocent postings and blow them out of proportion. Still...to delete most everything is highly suspicious. JMO

BBM - You're right we don't know who it belonged to, but I do know it had just about every MSM article I've seen on Michelle linked to it, along with the Google map showing Michelle's possible route and not only the pages of this site, but individual posts singled out along with numerous other sleuthing and/or blogging sites. Whether it was used as someone who is compiling info for their own curiosity, or to aid in the search for Michelle, or to stay abreast of what is discussed about the case, is what will remain a mystery.
 
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Snipped and bolded by me..

<modsnip>I get it you don't like him! What does going by a different name however many years ago have to do with being innocent or guilty? In fact everyone here has some type of online "persona" unless of course you go by Jazzmaster in your everyday life. I know I don't go by honeybee. Also I'm not sure what you meant by if he were innocent such evidence would not exist could you please explain. I would also like a link where it is stated that DS is blaming the victim not some person online that you are speculating is him because that just adds fuel to the fire. I have not seen anything like that. So please if I'm wrong show me.

No sarcasm here. Just lots of research;) * You're entitled to your opinion and so am I... I certainly respect your viewpoint and welcome a healthy discussion...

IMO there may be some very recent online evidence that Dale used ficticious FB accounts and posted in social forums about the case. IMO there may be a few screen captures floating out there that provide a link back to an email address used by Dale. <modsnip>

Just cause you delete stuff doesn't mean people haven't captured it. JMO
 
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I think this could be a definite possibility, but it was found parked in the apartment complex, that, ONLY in IMO, doesn't look to be in a "bad" neighborhood. Not that break ins ONLY happen in bad neighborhoods, but IIRC, it was found the next day by a LE officer making a "routine" check of the area, and a woman walking her dog puts it there at 10:30 pm-ish.
Now, I don't know EXACTLY "how"...meaning parked in a space "nicely", or as I've read, "found on a curb" in the complex.
I can be more than sure somebody knows exactly where/how it was parked when it was found, just haven't gone thru ALL the media links on that thread....kinda got left in the dust with the fast moving threads.

That whole finding of the truck, location, condition, and contents STILL is one of the biggest things driving me nuts!



ETA: That's what's making me lean a bit (just a BIT) less toward DS2...and maybe more towards someone who's close to MP or the family....or, obviously, someone close to DS2. Guess that's why I was asking about any LDT's done on anyone else.

My Tinkie Girl, You are right about the location her Hummer was found at. I would think if it were set up for someone to steal her purse after breaking into it, they would have left it at the mall or somewhere. Good thinking on your part.
 
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My Tinkie Girl, You are right about the location her Hummer was found at. I would think if it were set up for someone to steal her purse after breaking into it, they would have left it at the mall or somewhere. Good thinking on your part.

I just think that if you are going to get rid of a body so no one will ever find it, you would do the same with the hummer and her purse. Ya, he may have wanted it to look like a kidnapping, but why on Earth on this day and at his condo???? That part is not working for me. He knew he would be first in line to be looked at. If she went missing after work at the bar or even from a shopping mall, that would make way more sense. This is not good planning IMO. If he was in a rage and killed her, we would expect some sort of struggle at the condo and some evidence that a fight took place. I know this is not a popular theory, that someone other than Dale is responsible, but I tend to look other things until they can be ruled out or explained. There have been other cases where LE was sure they had the right POI and it turned out they were wrong, and the things said and posted were bad and in the end it ruined lives and marriages and reputations. I know LE named him the POI, and he looks good for this, but you never know in cases like this. She had 2 jobs that could put her in danger, along with an ex that had a past history of violence.
 
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I think this could be a definite possibility, but it was found parked in the apartment complex, that, ONLY in IMO, doesn't look to be in a "bad" neighborhood. Not that break ins ONLY happen in bad neighborhoods, but IIRC, it was found the next day by a LE officer making a "routine" check of the area, and a woman walking her dog puts it there at 10:30 pm-ish.
Now, I don't know EXACTLY "how"...meaning parked in a space "nicely", or as I've read, "found on a curb" in the complex.
I can be more than sure somebody knows exactly where/how it was parked when it was found, just haven't gone thru ALL the media links on that thread....kinda got left in the dust with the fast moving threads.

That whole finding of the truck, location, condition, and contents STILL is one of the biggest things driving me nuts!


ETA: That's what's making me lean a bit (just a BIT) less toward DS2...and maybe more towards someone who's close to MP or the family....or, obviously, someone close to DS2. Guess that's why I was asking about any LDT's done on anyone else.

The biggest thing for me is why didn't he take out the video camera a few days or a week before he did this. He could have put on a disguise, not a star wars storm trooper one, but a mask and spay painted the lens? Or some other way of disabling it without anyone knowing. That would solve a lot of problems right there, no one would know when MP arrived or left or if she even got that far. So if I was planning this, that would be the first thing I would have done, but maybe he didn't think of it.
 
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I know Dale has requested that child support payments be given back to him as he had the kids, but what about the father of the 11 yr old? Did he pay child support and is he asking the courts for money back and to stop payments, he is after all in custody of the child.

If the family thinks she is dead, that Dale killed her, well why would support payments continue?


IIRC, DS2 only got the ONE payment that he had made refunded...the month after she was missing(??).
As far as the other dad, seems we haven't heard much reported about him or how MP's son is doing. :(
Maybe he DID petition the courts to get the month refunded and it's just not being reported??? Or, maybe he just didn't think it was neccessary or it didn't cross his mind because the basic REALITY is, his son's mom is missing.
 
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The biggest thing for me is why didn't he take out the video camera a few days or a week before he did this. He could have put on a disguise, not a star wars storm trooper one, but a mask and spay painted the lens? Or some other way of disabling it without anyone knowing. That would solve a lot of problems right there, no one would know when MP arrived or left or if she even got that far. So if I was planning this, that would be the first thing I would have done, but maybe he didn't think of it.

Hmmm...have you done this before??? :floorlaugh:

Ya know, I couldn't tell you why he didn't do that, other than he didn't think this thru to those type of details, like you said.
Although this is all hypothetical on my part, and I don't know if the video camera's at the complex are being monitored at a different location(??) Seems to me, if the cameras were just recording, without being watched simultaneously, honestly, other than being used to see who comes and goes, it wouldn't make me feel all that safe if there's nobody to do anything right when something happened....but, I digress.
IF someone WERE checking out the video's on a constant basis, they would have seen the problem with the spray painting and perhaps dealt with it immediately.
IMO, I'm of the belief, that this was something maybe "planned" ONLY to the point of saying "boy, if only I could get rid of her...this could be a way to do it", etc. I mean, honestly, am I the only one who watches these Forensic Files shows, etc, and think to yourself "hmmm, how would I commit the perfect crime??" using no one in particular as the victim, or maybe with someone in mind....;)

ETA, even if he had used the "disable the cameras" detail, I'm pretty sure the neighbor's camera would have been a BIG surprise.

As always, just IMO....and pure speculation.
 
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I think Dale did know the camera was there, and someone else, because we don't see her drive off that way. So maybe they drove out the back, but didn't care if she was seen going into the condo. I am again, just looking at things from the other side, ya know.

And leaving the stuff in the hummer was to ID it, fast. You would take the Glow sticker off just to drive it under the radar until you get where you want to park it and then pick up another ride. We don't know when it was parked there, but we know some dummy left the phone on until 8pm, why? I have heard over and over to see who was calling and how much time he had, but combined with all the other stuff, I doubt it. I am looking at the bright side, maybe Michelle was taken by someone else and could be alive, but if Dale took her, no chance. No way is she alive and ever coming back if he did the deed. So call me an optimist. I still think Kyon Horman is alive and living somewhere, and not many think that now. But I do, I always have hope, until I hear a body has been found.
 
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I think Dale did know the camera was there, and someone else, because we don't see her drive off that way. So maybe they drove out the back, but didn't care if she was seen going into the condo. I am again, just looking at things from the other side, ya know.

And leaving the stuff in the hummer was to ID it, fast. You would take the Glow sticker off just to drive it under the radar until you get where you want to park it and then pick up another ride. We don't know when it was parked there, but we know some dummy left the phone on until 8pm, why? I have heard over and over to see who was calling and how much time he had, but combined with all the other stuff, I doubt it. I am looking at the bright side, maybe Michelle was taken by someone else and could be alive, but if Dale
took her, no chance. No way is she alive and ever coming back if he did the deed. So call me an optimist. I still think Kyon Horman is alive and living somewhere, and not many think that now. But I do, I always have hope, until I hear a body has been found.

I'm gettin where you're coming from, Bern...and it's all good.
IIRC, a lady walking her dog told LE the truck was there 10:30 pm.

An eyewitness told WFTV she saw Parker's Hummer on a curb at the Walden Palms condominium complex at about 10:30 p.m. Thursday when she was walking her dog. That is only hours when Parker's cellphone went dead, investigators said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/witness-missing-moms-hummer-seen-day-found/nFkP8/

Just last evening, I was even hoping that some obsessed man has her and she's still alive but can't get away. That's not a great thought, but, IMO, it's far better than the other option.
 
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I just think that if you are going to get rid of a body so no one will ever find it, you would do the same with the hummer and her purse. Ya, he may have wanted it to look like a kidnapping, but why on Earth on this day and at his condo???? That part is not working for me. He knew he would be first in line to be looked at. If she went missing after work at the bar or even from a shopping mall, that would make way more sense. This is not good planning IMO. If he was in a rage and killed her, we would expect some sort of struggle at the condo and some evidence that a fight took place. I know this is not a popular theory, that someone other than Dale is responsible, but I tend to look other things until they can be ruled out or explained. There have been other cases where LE was sure they had the right POI and it turned out they were wrong, and the things said and posted were bad and in the end it ruined lives and marriages and reputations. I know LE named him the POI, and he looks good for this, but you never know in cases like this. She had 2 jobs that could put her in danger, along with an ex that had a past history of violence.

BBM - That's where I think differently. IF it was planned in advance, this is the perfect day IMO, because who in their right mind would ever think he would do that. I don't know about the condo being the place it occurred, but we all know a murder can happen quickly, without a trace of the act itself as not all murders have bloody scenes left behind. I also don't believe it would have seemed out of the ordinary if an argument occurred in front of the twins and he killed her in a frustrated heated moment....possibly a situation that just escalated. He/they could have sent the twins off to another room and if they had already told mommy bye, well nothing would be off to them.

As always... JMO
 
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