FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #20

[Analyze This]

Yep, you are correct. And he posted that at 11:08 pm on Thursday Nov 17, 2011. IIRC per YS they spoke, he was unconcerned and that was well before he posted on FB. So...why wasn't he looking after he spoke to YS? jmo

Without knowing exactly what YS told DS II, we can't really make a determination about why he was or was not concerned at that point. We don't even know for sure what time it was when YS spoke with him. Perhaps, in his opinion, the length of time that Michelle had been missing wasn't cause for the alarm that YS felt. Additionally, we are making an assumption that he would've taken YS seriously. Did he assume that the battery died in Michelle's phone or that she left it somewhere? We can't really know what he thought about YS calling him and saying that Michelle was missing. I do think that it is reasonable to assume that a person's concern level would rise once the police contacted them to say that someone was missing.

As for looking for Michelle...where would he look? He would know where she wasn't at that point, but where would you start looking? Ds II and Michelle were living separate lives when she disappeared. What did he really know about her movements, her plans or the people that she was spending time with? Did the two of them even have any friends in common? Do we know for sure that he didn't call around or send text messages to anyone to ask if they had heard from Michelle?

 

[artzypantz]

for memorial day, a photo of michelle and her siblings



(click on photo for a larger image)

 

[Jazzmaster]

I also would like to know because in the few "news" articles I have not heard of all these lies.

Obviously if Dale told the truth he wouldn't be the PRIME suspect. His inconsistent statements to LE are the main reason he is STILL the primary focus of the investigation. YET If Dale told the TRUTH IMO he'd be in jail as a confession to what he did is the TRUTH. JMO

 

[Analyze This]

Well, the cops were NOT investigating him. They were looking for his missing ex, and the mother of his children. He did not need to make it all about 'him.'
He could have thought of his kids first, and helped LE find their mother.

In my opinion, law enforcement began investigating DS II the minute that they heard the circumstances of Michelle's disappearance. He was her ex, she dropped off the twins that afternoon and he has a past criminal record. They knew all of that before they ever spoke to him or went to his condo. There is just no way that anyone in law enforcement would approach him as anything other than a suspect right from the beginning. Ignoring his criminal history or the fact that this was a potential domestic violence situation could put an officer's life at risk.

If the earlier media reports are accurate, YS stated that DS II was cooperating with law enforcement. Law enforcement questioned him and he answered those questions. He allowed them to do a walk through of his condo without a warrant (according to his FB post). On the 18th, law enforcement was there with a warrant. There was no mention at that point of a defense attorney being involved. In fact, none of the media reports state that DS II hired an attorney until law enforcement publicly named him a suspect. So, if he was answering law enforcement's questions and complying with their request for him to be available to them, what more was he supposed to do? What assistance could he offer law enforcement?

 

[Analyze This]

Obviously if Dale told the truth he wouldn't be the PRIME suspect. His inconsistent statements to LE are the main reason he is STILL the primary focus of the investigation. YET If Dale told the TRUTH IMO he'd be in jail as a confession to what he did is the TRUTH. JMO

What inconsistent statements are you referring to? I missed the article where law enforcement stated that this was their reason for naming him a suspect. I have been looking for articles where law enforcement indicated that he lied to them because it is being brought up so often on this thread, but I'm not finding anything. I also didn't see any media articles where law enforcement states that he gave inconsistent statements. Can you direct me to where you found this? I've been going crazy looking for it.

 

[telemag]

I am not an expert on this case by any means, but I have heard a lot of talk about Dale lying to the police. Can anyone post a link to LE talking about Dale lying to them. Lying to the poice is a jailable offence so I also wonder why they have not put pressure on him for this. Thanks

 

[Jazzmaster]

I'm looking at a site map and after recently driving a few possible routes Dale could have taken on the 17th....I still think most of the time he spent covering his tracks and hiding evidence was done IMO after he established his phony alibi at his parents at Rose Blvd. So if we look at the most logical time frame of 4:30 until 8pm, we can probably somewhat narrow where Dale COULD have taken her.

I've also been studying some FB posts, screenshots, and other childhood places Dale grew up and hung out at. Do you think he would lean more toward an old familiar place or a more recent place like where he filmed that amateur star wars flick or a job site? I definitely think he would try to go back to a place of his past. I'm still not ready to give up on locations near his condo though... Any other ideas? TIA

 

[Analyze This]

I'm looking at a site map and after recently driving a few possible routes Dale could have taken on the 17th....I still think most of the time he spent covering his tracks and hiding evidence was done IMO after he established his phony alibi at his parents at Rose Blvd. So if we look at the most logical time frame of 4:30 until 8pm, we can probably somewhat narrow where Dale COULD have taken her.

I've also been studying some FB posts, screenshots, and other childhood places Dale grew up and hung out at. Do you think he would lean more toward an old familiar place or a more recent place like where he filmed that amateur star wars flick or a job site? I definitely think he would try to go back to a place of his past. I'm still not ready to give up on locations near his condo though... Any other ideas? TIA

BBM. I agree that this would likely be how it happened. I would be happy to help brainstorm some possible search areas. Can you provide us with links to what you are looking at? Do you have the address of the property where the film was done? How did you narrow down DS II's childhood hang outs? Is that based on the neighborhood he grew up in and the school he attended? If so, could you list those hang outs? It might be helpful to look in the areas adjacent to his hang outs. Thanks in advance.

My personal opinion is that he wouldn't choose a place that had any obvious connection to him. I think he would've been more tactical than that and gone with a place that he knew was a good hiding spot, easily accessible and not likely to be connected to him right away, if at all.

 

[Analyze This]

I am not an expert on this case by any means, but I have heard a lot of talk about Dale lying to the police. Can anyone post a link to LE talking about Dale lying to them. Lying to the poice is a jailable offence so I also wonder why they have not put pressure on him for this. Thanks

I've been wondering the same thing. If they have proof that he lied to them, why haven't they arrested him for it? I would think that arresting him for lying would at least get the twins removed from his custody. It might not be the total result that law enforcement wants, but why take a chance on leaving the twins with someone that you believe committed a violent crime if you can prove something smaller and get his custody revoked?

I do believe that law enforcement thinks that he is lying, but I don't think that they can prove it at this point.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Not really sure what this has to do with my questions seeing as I have repeatedly told you I will not post anything but my OPINION.

Oh sorry...my bad. I thought you had said you were getting VERIFIED as you had some important info to share. I must have misunderstood. Opinion on what?..I'm not following. On where you think Dale hid Michelle? Or what happened that day? I'd like to hear your theories if you don't mind sharing. If not, I totally understand...I'm all ears as we try to find her. Praying we FIND our beloved Michelle soon.

 

[SleuthDecay]

I've been wondering the same thing. If they have proof that he lied to them, why haven't they arrested him for it? I would think that arresting him for lying would at least get the twins removed from his custody. It might not be the total result that law enforcement wants, but why take a chance on leaving the twins with someone that you believe committed a violent crime if you can prove something smaller and get his custody revoked?

I do believe that law enforcement thinks that he is lying, but I don't think that they can prove it at this point.

Here's Lauren on 12/08/11 on the Nancy Grace program. I would imagine he told the police the same thing he told the family, but that's jmo. Lauren did say the police were looking into it.

LAUREN ERICKSON, SISTER OF MISSING "PEOPLE`S COURT" MOM, MICHELLE PARKER: Initially, you know, that video came out. And I can`t remember if it was in military time or what. But I don`t know if the time was correct or not. I mean if the time is correct on that video than Dale had initially told us, that, you know, Michelle has dropped -- dropping the children off around 4:00, but I mean that -- that doesn`t coincide with the time on that video.

So either the video time is wrong or somebody is not telling the truth. I -- really -- I`m not exactly sure on that one.

GRACE: OK. The -- it is military time, Lauren Erickson. You`re absolutely correct. It`s 151820, 1500, 18, 20, which is of course 3:18 p.m., 20 seconds.

Now, Lauren, are you telling me that you believe the time stamp is wrong because of what Smith Jr. said?

ERICKSON: As of right now, that`s all I have to go off of for it being wrong. So I mean, either he is saying that it was dropped -- that she was dropping the kids off at 4:00 and that`s correct or that time on that video is actually correct and he is not telling the truth. I don`t know which one was correct, honestly. So the police have investigated that. I would assume that they know but I myself don`t.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/08/ng.01.html

According to a reporter who posts here sometimes, the surveillance video time was correct within 2 seconds.

 

[What'sThatClue]

Oh sorry...my bad. I thought you had said you were getting VERIFIED as you had some important info to share. I must have misunderstood. Opinion on what?..I'm not following. On where you think Dale hid Michelle? Or what happened that day? I'd like to hear your theories if you don't mind sharing. If not, I totally understand...I'm all ears as we try to find her. Praying we FIND our beloved Michelle soon.

Ditto. I've been waiting 'cause I was sure you said you were getting verified so you could share more info. I'm dissapointed but understand if you've changed your mind about sharing on an online forum rather than LE.

What do you suppose happened after Michelle got to Dale's? TIA for your opinions. .

 

[telemag]

I think until someone provides proof it would be safe to assume that Dale did not lie to LE about anything. JMHO

 

[What'sThatClue]

I think until someone provides proof it would be safe to assume that Dale did not lie to LE about anything. JMHO

But why then would LE name him Prime Suspect and continue to insist that he remains the Prime Suspect? Strange.

 

[katydid23]

I think until someone provides proof it would be safe to assume that Dale did not lie to LE about anything. JMHO

According to the time stamp on the neighbor's video cam, he lied about the time she arrived to his condo.

And according to the surveillance cams at the exit gate, he lied about her leaving ten minutes later.

I think he also lied about her telling him she was 'going shopping.'


LE publicly called him their prime suspect. So they must think he is being untruthful, in some ways. JMO

eta; I think he lied on his FB as well. He described his night by saying LE came and searched his entire condo. But I think all they did was knock on the door and ask about Michelle, and maybe do a very brief cursory safety check.

 

[telemag]

But why then would LE name him Prime Suspect and continue to insist that he remains the Prime Suspect? Strange.

That's the MILLION $$$$ question. Although naming him prime number 1 doesn't mean that he had to lie about anything to get that title.

 

[telemag]

According to the time stamp on the neighbor's video cam, he lied about the time she arrived to his condo.

And according to the surveillance cams at the exit gate, he lied about her leaving ten minutes later.

I think he also lied about her telling him she was 'going shopping.'


LE publicly called him their prime suspect. So they must think he is being untruthful, in some ways. JMO

eta; I think he lied on his FB as well. He described his night by saying LE came and searched his entire condo. But I think all they did was knock on the door and ask about Michelle, and maybe do a very brief cursory safety check.

This is my point. You are only speculating that he lied. Also, the tape showed her getting there earlier than he said which he could have been mistaken about. We have NO idea as to when she left.

 

[Jazzmaster]

But why then would LE name him Prime Suspect and continue to insist that he remains the Prime Suspect? Strange.

Good point Clue! If Dale's story checked out LE would most likely have cleared him by now. IMO Dale is being as truthful as Josh Powell. If we need more details on that case I bet Sr could fill us in...

 

[Kamille]

What inconsistent statements are you referring to? I missed the article where law enforcement stated that this was their reason for naming him a suspect. I have been looking for articles where law enforcement indicated that he lied to them because it is being brought up so often on this thread, but I'm not finding anything. I also didn't see any media articles where law enforcement states that he gave inconsistent statements. Can you direct me to where you found this? I've been going crazy looking for it.

This is a discussion forum where we state our opinions based on the information that has been made available to us via the media and other sleuthing that we have done on named suspects. This is not a trial by jury and therefore we do not require a LE representative to stand up in front of a camera to state that Dale Smith lied to them in order to form an OPINION of what we believe has transpired since the day that Michelle went missing and why he has been named the prime suspect.

We are not going to get any evidential information from LE, including what witnesses have stated to them. The public never does until after an arrest has been made and even that is only in rare cases such as the ones in Florida where the Sunshine Law requires that the information be released. So it is not expected that we will hear about anything that LE has used to place the suspect tag on DSJr until such time as an arrest has been made. That's what is meant by LE holding things "close to the vest". They never...ever...give out evidentiary information during the course of an investigation until they absolutely have to in the event of an arrest, due to the Sunshine Laws, or in discovery to the defence in other cases. And even in those cases it's unlikely that we will hear any of the evidence until it goes to trial. There is not one case on this site that I'm aware of, where you will ever hear of LE stating why someone has been named a suspect and where they will list what evidence they have in order to make that statement.

The victim's sister, in this case, has gone on camera to state that DSJr told the family that Michelle showed up at the condo around 4pm to drop off the children and that she stayed about 10 minutes and left. And that he left right after her. Logic and common sense would indicate that he also told this version of the events of that day to LE. Unfortunately that's all we have to go on when discussing these cases. The information that is made available by person's other than LE and then plain old logic as to what may have transpired. So the version that she showed up around 4pm to drop off the children is what we were all going by at the beginning of this case. Her last known siting was listed as approx 4:15pm on the crimeline site. I believe it may still be listed as such. Because that's the information that everyone had. Until the day that video was released in the media. And then it became apparent that something was wrong with that timeline. Because the video showed her arriving much earlier. And it appears that the very next day, DSJr was brought in and asked to take a lie detector test. Which he refused and then he stopped "co-operating" with LE and got himself a lawyer. It was at that point that he was named a suspect, not a POI but the PRIME SUSPECT. Because LE had been collecting evidence for over a week and his version of events was obviously not adding up to the evidence they were collecting. LE are not going to tell us why they named him a suspect, logic and common sense for some people helped to form an OPINION of what that reason may be.

MOO

 

[Evanesco]

This is a discussion forum where we state our opinions based on the information that has been made available to us via the media and other sleuthing that we have done on named suspects. This is not a trial by jury and therefore we do not require a LE representative to stand up in front of a camera to state that Dale Smith lied to them in order to form an OPINION of what we believe has transpired since the day that Michelle went missing and why he has been named the prime suspect.

We are not going to get any evidential information from LE, including what witnesses have stated to them. The public never does until after an arrest has been made and even that is only in rare cases such as the ones in Florida where the Sunshine Law requires that the information be released. So it is not expected that we will hear about anything that LE has used to place the suspect tag on DSJr until such time as an arrest has been made. That's what is meant by LE holding things "close to the vest". They never...ever...give out evidentiary information during the course of an investigation until they absolutely have to in the event of an arrest, due to the Sunshine Laws, or in discovery to the defence in other cases. And even in those cases it's unlikely that we will hear any of the evidence until it goes to trial. There is not one case on this site that I'm aware of, where you will ever hear of LE stating why someone has been named a suspect and where they will list what evidence they have in order to make that statement.

The victim's sister, in this case, has gone on camera to state that DSJr told the family that Michelle showed up at the condo around 4pm to drop off the children and that she stayed about 10 minutes and left. And that he left right after her. Logic and common sense would indicate that he also told this version of the events of that day to LE. Unfortunately that's all we have to go on when discussing these cases. The information that is made available by person's other than LE and then plain old logic as to what may have transpired. So the version that she showed up around 4pm to drop off the children is what we were all going by at the beginning of this case. Her last known siting was listed as approx 4:15pm on the crimeline site. I believe it may still be listed as such. Because that's the information that everyone had. Until the day that video was released in the media. And then it became apparent that something was wrong with that timeline. Because the video showed her arriving much earlier. And it appears that the very next day, DSJr was brought in and asked to take a lie detector test. Which he refused and then he stopped "co-operating" with LE and got himself a lawyer. It was at that point that he was named a suspect, not a POI but the PRIME SUSPECT. Because LE had been collecting evidence for over a week and his version of events was obviously not adding up to the evidence they were collecting. LE are not going to tell us why they named him a suspect, logic and common sense for some people helped to form an OPINION of what that reason may be.

MOO

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