FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #20

[Jazzmaster]

I haven't seen any MSM reports of dogs being used to search Dale's condo or truck at any point during the investigation.....or any reports of dogs being used for the hummer. That doesn't mean they weren't used...but maybe they just didn't release info to the public? IIRC the only time dogs were used was at the raid at Rose Blvd. Isn't that when they discovered Senior's little drug operation?

Now IMO if Dale or an accomplice took Michelle somewhere alive dogs would never pick up a scent. This could have been part of Dale's plan. Take her somewhere and then clean up his tracks after the fact...then he uses FB to play the "poor me" card. The kids need their mother. If that's the case Dale, what did you do with her? JMO

 

[Skully]

So Dale said on FB that his place was searched that same night? So for sure it was searched the day after. So if it wasn't then why would he say it was and it's kinda odd that he was correct but a day late in his prediction.

I am thinking he may have seen cops in the complex doing a search of the area. He may have been making it about him, like OMG, I can't believe it, kind of thing.

 

[telemag]

I haven't seen any MSM reports of dogs being used to search Dale's condo or truck at any point during the investigation.....or any reports of dogs being used for the hummer. That doesn't mean they weren't used...but maybe they just didn't release info to the public? IIRC the only time dogs were used was at the raid at Rose Blvd. Isn't that when they discovered Senior's little drug operation?

Now IMO if Dale or an accomplice took Michelle somewhere alive dogs would never pick up a scent. This could have been part of Dale's plan. Take her somewhere and then clean up his tracks after the fact...then he uses FB to play the "poor me" card. The kids need their mother. If that's the case Dale, what did you do with her? JMO

So when you say alive do you mean that Dale may have say tied her up and gagged her with the twins in the Hummer? Do you think he killed her in front of the twins or did he drop them off somewhere first?

 

[Jazzmaster]

Just a theory and IMO one way Dale could have pulled this off within the time allotted. I have several dozen of these scenarios (so to say Dale could not have pulled this off within the time period is not accurate IMO). Yes, I disagree with MN's 72 min non-sense!

All Dale needs is 10 minutes tops. 5 to incapacitate Michelle and 5 to hide her vehicle in his garage.<modsnip> If Michelle is taken alive - no DNA will ever be found in his condo or vehicle.

When Michelle arrives all Dale needs to do is get the children to watch TV for a few mins...They converse, he drugs her, duct tapes and gags her. He places her in the back of his covered F150. He gets the twinners, buckles them in, and heads to his parents to establish an alibi.

Dale leaves his phone at his parents (for ping purposes and alibi) and takes off to take care of business. He has her phone for monitoring how worried her family is. He does not answer his phone from 4:30 to 8:00 so that is a 3.5 hour window. He has plenty of time to hide Michelle, go back to the condo to get rid of Hummer, and toss the phone. All of which he could have done alone or with help. He most likely needed a ride at some point. Dad?

All this is completed before Michelle's shift starts and the phone is powered off conveniently as she is supposed to be arriving at work and police reports begin to roll in...

 

[telemag]

Just a theory and IMO one way Dale could have pulled this off within the time allotted. I have several dozen of these scenarios (so to say Dale could not have pulled this off within the time period is not accurate IMO). Yes, I disagree with MN's 72 min non-sense!

All Dale needs is 10 minutes tops. 5 to incapacitate Michelle and 5 to hide her vehicle in his garage. <modsnip>If Michelle is taken alive - no DNA will ever be found in his condo or vehicle.

When Michelle arrives all Dale needs to do is get the children to watch TV for a few mins...They converse, he drugs her, duct tapes and gags her. He places her in the back of his covered F150. He gets the twinners, buckles them in, and heads to his parents to establish an alibi.

Dale leaves his phone at his parents (for ping purposes and alibi) and takes off to take care of business. He has her phone for monitoring how worried her family is. He does not answer his phone from 4:30 to 8:00 so that is a 3.5 hour window. He has plenty of time to hide Michelle, go back to the condo to get rid of Hummer, and toss the phone. All of which he could have done alone or with help. He most likely needed a ride at some point. Dad?

All this is completed before Michelle's shift starts and the phone is powered off conveniently as she is supposed to be arriving at work and police reports begin to roll in...

OK couple of things. First of all I know plenty of nurses and there is NO WAY nurses have access to those types of drugs. Now, if Dale knows someone who works in a vets office then maybe. If Dale leaves his phone at his Mom's then wouldn't it be pinging the whole time the Dale's mom said she didn't know where he was when YS called her? Also, if he had Michelle's phone then it would have pinged all the way to Dale's parents house. BTW, I am not trying to prove you wrong just pointing some things out.

 

[ginert]

Just a theory and IMO one way Dale could have pulled this off within the time allotted. I have several dozen of these scenarios (so to say Dale could not have pulled this off within the time period is not accurate IMO). Yes, I disagree with MN's 72 min non-sense!

All Dale needs is 10 minutes tops. 5 to incapacitate Michelle and 5 to hide her vehicle in his garage.<modsnip> If Michelle is taken alive - no DNA will ever be found in his condo or vehicle.

When Michelle arrives all Dale needs to do is get the children to watch TV for a few mins...They converse, he drugs her, duct tapes and gags her. He places her in the back of his covered F150. He gets the twinners, buckles them in, and heads to his parents to establish an alibi.

Dale leaves his phone at his parents (for ping purposes and alibi) and takes off to take care of business. He has her phone for monitoring how worried her family is. He does not answer his phone from 4:30 to 8:00 so that is a 3.5 hour window. He has plenty of time to hide Michelle, go back to the condo to get rid of Hummer, and toss the phone. All of which he could have done alone or with help. He most likely needed a ride at some point. Dad?

All this is completed before Michelle's shift starts and the phone is powered off conveniently as she is supposed to be arriving at work and police reports begin to roll in...

I do agree that if DS killed Michelle, IMO he took her alive and killed her away from the condo. I believe if she was killed at the condo, some kind of evidence of death would have been left behind. I still am having a problem with the neighbor's camera. If the hummer was moved to the garage wouldn't that have been seen by the camera or does it only pick up more a street view? If that was not picked up on the camera then the hummer remained on the side street for an extended period and I think there would be witnesses stating they saw the hummer parked there or saw DS return and park his truck and then drive away in the hummer.

 

[SleuthDecay]

I do agree that if DS killed Michelle, IMO he took her alive and killed her away from the condo. I believe if she was killed at the condo, some kind of evidence of death would have been left behind. I still am having a problem with the neighbor's camera. If the hummer was moved to the garage wouldn't that have been seen by the camera or does it only pick up more a street view? If that was not picked up on the camera then the hummer remained on the side street for an extended period and I think there would be witnesses stating they saw the hummer parked there or saw DS return and park his truck and then drive away in the hummer.

Here's a still from the surveillance video:

The black car in the driveway belongs to the neighbor who set up the camera because someone had damaged his car. So the camera is aimed at his parking spot and toward the street. If you're standing in the street looking toward the condo, Dale's unit is to the right of the black car. So I don't think the surveillance camera would pick up anyone pulling into or out of DSJR's driveway or garage. Maybe a partial view, but I can't really tell. JMO

 

[telemag]

Here's a imo odd interview done early on with Michelle's mom.

http://www.[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980811957

I will quote part of her remarks. Now, Michelle Parker's mother is speaking out about her missing daughter; she believes Michelle has been kidnapped. "I know for a fact right now she is not dead. I know that," Michelle's mother told WESH, according to IB Times. "Somebody has her ... We forgive you. Turn her loose. Don't let this get any worse than it is for you," she warns.

So my question is how does she know for a fact she is not dead? She's not saying she hopes or strongly believes, but knows for a fact. As I said in an earlier post it seems that Michelle's mom knew from the moment she could not be found earlier in the day she thought she had been kidnapped.

 

[uscgirl]

Just a theory and IMO one way Dale could have pulled this off within the time allotted. I have several dozen of these scenarios (so to say Dale could not have pulled this off within the time period is not accurate IMO). Yes, I disagree with MN's 72 min non-sense!

All Dale needs is 10 minutes tops. 5 to incapacitate Michelle and 5 to hide her vehicle in his garage. <modsnip> If Michelle is taken alive - no DNA will ever be found in his condo or vehicle.

When Michelle arrives all Dale needs to do is get the children to watch TV for a few mins...They converse, he drugs her, duct tapes and gags her. He places her in the back of his covered F150. He gets the twinners, buckles them in, and heads to his parents to establish an alibi.

Dale leaves his phone at his parents (for ping purposes and alibi) and takes off to take care of business. He has her phone for monitoring how worried her family is. He does not answer his phone from 4:30 to 8:00 so that is a 3.5 hour window. He has plenty of time to hide Michelle, go back to the condo to get rid of Hummer, and toss the phone. All of which he could have done alone or with help. He most likely needed a ride at some point. Dad?

All this is completed before Michelle's shift starts and the phone is powered off conveniently as she is supposed to be arriving at work and police reports begin to roll in...

The drug used could be as simple as the date rape drug. Considering there is a family history of drug use and abuse, I think anything is possible.
MOO

 

[Skully]

The drug used could be as simple as the date rape drug. Considering there is a family history of drug use and abuse, I think anything is possible.
MOO

The whole family has this history? I know Dale does. But his mom and other family members too?

So does this go down? Michelle arrives and gets the kids in the condo and she is upset at the PC airing and he is offering to calm her down with a soda? And she accepts it?

 

[Skully]

Here's a imo odd interview done early on with Michelle's mom.

http://www.[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980811957

I will quote part of her remarks. Now, Michelle Parker's mother is speaking out about her missing daughter; she believes Michelle has been kidnapped. "I know for a fact right now she is not dead. I know that," Michelle's mother told WESH, according to IB Times. "Somebody has her ... We forgive you. Turn her loose. Don't let this get any worse than it is for you," she warns.

So my question is how does she know for a fact she is not dead? She's not saying she hopes or strongly believes, but knows for a fact. As I said in an earlier post it seems that Michelle's mom knew from the moment she could not be found earlier in the day she thought she had been kidnapped.

I had forgotten about that statement. That was before? they raided Sr house and didn't find anything. Well if she knew for a fact she was alive and they hadn't gotten the phone from the lake yet, what led them to believe she was alive?

Honestly, this makes me think she had a stalker.

 

[Analyze This]

BBM
Thank you, so LE may only have a shot of her coming in but nothing of her leaving? And that would mean, if Dale took off the time he said, he may have done the same thing, and there is no way to say if either of them left at the time he states. I hope for the sake of the truth, we have both hummer and truck on video leaving. If they don't have that, that could be why no one is arrested at this point in time. Dale can't drive two vehicles and that is one of my hang ups here. I have to find a way that someone is not on Video coming in to help, like his dad or a friend of his.

First I want to figure out a way to kill someone and do it quickly and leave nothing behind.

This is what I have some up with so far in regard to a quick, relatively forensics free homicide:

1. A blow to the head with a fist that renders the victim stunned or close to unconscious, followed by strangulation. The victim would likely be unable to "fight back". I am also including a compression of the carotid artery in this scenario because it is not strangulation, but would also cause a quick death. There is actually a current news story in the Boston area from this week where a man had someone in a headlock and caused that person's death. I am waiting to see the cause of death, if it is released.

2. A violent punch or kick that fractures the cervical vertebra (broken neck). Death would occur in under a minute.

3. A blow to the chest by either punching or kicking. If delivered with enough force and in the right place, the heart would lose its normal rhythm resulting in cardiac arrest. There is also a possibility of a broken rib that punctures vital organs. A victim would bleed to death internally.

I am estimating that the above methods of attack would take 3-5 minutes. The initial confrontation could last a while, but the actual time that would elapse from the start of the physical attack to death would be relatively short in my opinion.

All of the above is obviously my opinion because I am not so great with the medical stuff. I pieced together the above by reading through various forensics websites using various search criteria. I'm hoping that my thoughts will help you narrow down your own searches. If I am able to find anything that is more concrete, I will post links. I was sensitive about posting links right now because most of the sites include very graphic photos and I didn't see any individual article that had enough value to warrant linking it.

 

[Skully]

This is what I have some up with so far in regard to a quick, relatively forensics free homicide:

1. A blow to the head with a fist that renders the victim stunned or close to unconscious, followed by strangulation. The victim would likely be unable to "fight back". I am also including a compression of the carotid artery in this scenario because it is not strangulation, but would also cause a quick death. There is actually a current news story in the Boston area from this week where a man had someone in a headlock and caused that person's death. I am waiting to see the cause of death, if it is released.

2. A violent punch or kick that fractures the cervical vertebra (broken neck). Death would occur in under a minute.

3. A blow to the chest by either punching or kicking. If delivered with enough force and in the right place, the heart would lose its normal rhythm resulting in cardiac arrest. There is also a possibility of a broken rib that punctures vital organs. A victim would bleed to death internally.

I am estimating that the above methods of attack would take 3-5 minutes. The initial confrontation could last a while, but the actual time that would elapse from the start of the physical attack to death would be relatively short in my opinion.

All of the above is obviously my opinion because I am not so great with the medical stuff. I pieced together the above by reading through various forensics websites using various search criteria. I'm hoping that my thoughts will help you narrow down your own searches. If I am able to find anything that is more concrete, I will post links. I was sensitive about posting links right now because most of the sites include very graphic photos and I didn't see any individual article that had enough value to warrant linking it.

Okay, now we have a way to kill someone and not leave any blood evidence. Thank you for finding these ways, I know you spent a lot of time on this.

We had 3:18 as her coming in, we figure about 5 minutes to get the kids in the condo, so it is around 3:23. A minutes or two to just greet the kids, (I would think the kids would go hug their dad) and we get them maybe into another room to watch TV. So maybe it is 3:25 now. Then the attack! So for what ever reason, he kills her. I know Michelle said their fights were due to his drinking (stated on PC court) so if he is drunk, can he still pull this off if he is drinking? I am just thinking most people who drink can't function well, they make mistakes, and he has to have a clear head that day. So I am assuming he is sober for theory sake. Can we put her attack and death at around 3:30? Or is that too much time?

 

[Jazzmaster]

The drug used could be as simple as the date rape drug. Considering there is a family history of drug use and abuse, I think anything is possible.
MOO

I agree....it could be as simple as that. We know jr and sr have numerous drug arrests between them so getting access to drugs doesn't seem to be an issue. Again just a theory and possibility that this COULD have been pulled off within the time allotted. JMO

 

[Analyze This]

Okay, now we have a way to kill someone and not leave any blood evidence. Thank you for finding these ways, I know you spent a lot of time on this.

We had 3:18 as her coming in, we figure about 5 minutes to get the kids in the condo, so it is around 3:23. A minutes or two to just greet the kids, (I would think the kids would go hug their dad) and we get them maybe into another room to watch TV. So maybe it is 3:25 now. Then the attack! So for what ever reason, he kills her. I know Michelle said their fights were due to his drinking (stated on PC court) so if he is drunk, can he still pull this off if he is drinking? I am just thinking most people who drink can't function well, they make mistakes, and he has to have a clear head that day. So I am assuming he is sober for theory sake. Can we put her attack and death at around 3:30? Or is that too much time?

I think that it would be safe to assume that the attack happened somewhere around the 3:30 mark give or take a couple of minutes and was likely concluded by 3:40. We don't know what they may have argued about or how long that argument lasted, so in my opinion, I think that a 10 minute window is reasonable. Also, if Michelle didn't answer the 3:30 call from her son, it would make sense that she was already involved in the altercation by that time.

 

[Jazzmaster]

This is what I have some up with so far in regard to a quick, relatively forensics free homicide:

1. A blow to the head with a fist that renders the victim stunned or close to unconscious, followed by strangulation. The victim would likely be unable to "fight back". I am also including a compression of the carotid artery in this scenario because it is not strangulation, but would also cause a quick death. There is actually a current news story in the Boston area from this week where a man had someone in a headlock and caused that person's death. I am waiting to see the cause of death, if it is released.

2. A violent punch or kick that fractures the cervical vertebra (broken neck). Death would occur in under a minute.

3. A blow to the chest by either punching or kicking. If delivered with enough force and in the right place, the heart would lose its normal rhythm resulting in cardiac arrest. There is also a possibility of a broken rib that punctures vital organs. A victim would bleed to death internally.

I am estimating that the above methods of attack would take 3-5 minutes. The initial confrontation could last a while, but the actual time that would elapse from the start of the physical attack to death would be relatively short in my opinion.

All of the above is obviously my opinion because I am not so great with the medical stuff. I pieced together the above by reading through various forensics websites using various search criteria. I'm hoping that my thoughts will help you narrow down your own searches. If I am able to find anything that is more concrete, I will post links. I was sensitive about posting links right now because most of the sites include very graphic photos and I didn't see any individual article that had enough value to warrant linking it.

I agree one of these are far more likely than a drugging but you never know. In time I believe we too will find the truth about how Dale accomplished this. JMO I believe when Michelle is found there will be evidence to connect him to the disappearance that is why Michelle has not been found yet. Praying today be the day Michelle is found!

 

[Skully]

I think that it would be safe to assume that the attack happened somewhere around the 3:30 mark give or take a couple of minutes and was likely concluded by 3:40. We don't know what they may have argued about or how long that argument lasted, so in my opinion, I think that a 10 minute window is reasonable. Also, if Michelle didn't answer the 3:30 call from her son, it would make sense that she was already involved in the altercation by that time.

Okay we are at 3:40 that leaves 20 minutes if Dale is to leave by 4:00 and get to Sr. by 4:30.

What happens next? Kids are still in room watching TV? Hummer is around corner of condo. Michelle is dead and on floor, or rug area. He has to lift her up and now get her out of that area so he can either put her in his truck, van, or leave her at the condo until he gets back to get rid of the hummer. Or does he call his dad to come over, and either get rid or the hummer, the body or take kids to his house. Either way, Sr has the same travel time, 30 minutes. We still have the video camera to deal with, it records part of the street and cars coming in. We also have to have time to get kids back in car seats, if Sr takes them, then they have to use Dale's.

 

[nursebeeme]

please do not post names or initials of persons that have not been identified in the main stream media.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I think that it would be safe to assume that the attack happened somewhere around the 3:30 mark give or take a couple of minutes and was likely concluded by 3:40. We don't know what they may have argued about or how long that argument lasted, so in my opinion, I think that a 10 minute window is reasonable. Also, if Michelle didn't answer the 3:30 call from her son, it would make sense that she was already involved in the altercation by that time.

I believe the reason Dale lied about the time Michelle arrived was those 42 minutes are when something took place...if he erases THAT time there is no way he did it, but with THAT time, we have seen many possibilities for Dale to pull off the crime and still have time to get to his parents for an alibi. JMO.

The point is this we have no proof of a random stalker or neighbor or anyone other than Dale being involved. IIRC in YS interview yesterday she confirmed that LE still considers Dale the ONLY suspect. This is after the smart panel. IMO LE doesn't think it's a random person (stalker)...they probably have MORE THAN enough circumstantial evidence to know who did this...additionally YS also seemed pretty confident during the intview that the person responsible will be arrested. So maybe she knows more about what LE is working on at the moment?

 

[Analyze This]

Okay we are at 3:40 that leaves 20 minutes if Dale is to leave by 4:00 and get to Sr. by 4:30.

What happens next? Kids are still in room watching TV? Hummer is around corner of condo. Michelle is dead and on floor, or rug area. He has to lift her up and now get her out of that area so he can either put her in his truck, van, or leave her at the condo until he gets back to get rid of the hummer. Or does he call his dad to come over, and either get rid or the hummer, the body or take kids to his house. Either way, Sr has the same travel time, 30 minutes. We still have the video camera to deal with, it records part of the street and cars coming in. We also have to have time to get kids back in car seats, if Sr takes them, then they have to use Dale's.

BBM. I'd like to point out that lifting Michelle would likely be relatively easy for DS II. He was a marine, perhaps not an honorable one, but he did complete the training. Lifting and carrying dead weight is about technique as much as it is about strength. Lifting a "buddy" that is injured would be standard for Marine training. I would point out the same thing for firemen and other branches of the military.

That said, I am thinking that he headed for the garage and would've laid her down on the floor. In the video of the police search on his condo, his garage is immaculate and very empty. So, I think that he went out to the van to secure a tarp or plastic of some sort. He could've laid it out on the floor and rolled Michelle onto it. If he wrapped her up and then duct tapped the plastic to secure it, then put the body in the back of his truck, I think that he would've needed another 5 to 10 minutes. I don't think that the work van is involved at all simply because he appears to usually park his truck in the garage.

I'm still working through this stage of events, so I might change my mind a bit. The Hummer and accomplice bit of this is still too complicated at the moment. Working on it though.