FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #20

[Jersey*Girl]

Ok, so I have even more confusion now. Could somebody please help me understand this?..

Michelle started a business in April 2006 called Mission's Impossible. The Guy Court address in Geneva was used. This is her mother's address.

Michelle stated in the PC episode that Dale packed up her belongings in 2010 & dropped it all off at her mother's house. She informed the judge that Dale forced her & her 3 kids to moved into her Mother's 2 bedroom home.

YE, Michelle's mom, informed in an interview that the kids have always lived with her, that they weren't accustomed to seeing their father on a daily basis let alone live with him, and she informed they have their own room at her house.

Well, I'm confused. How can they have their own room if this is the same address? Michelle said it was 2 bedrooms, the show was taped prior to airing I know, but was there an addition to the house in the meantime? If the 3 children had their own room, where did Michelle sleep? Her mother & stepdad?

2006 shows the same address as present. Sooo...I'm confuzzled.

 

[Skully]

Hey, Bern...the "plate" thing might have been me, quite a while ago...or at this point, who knows how many posters said it, as well.
But, what I was saying was that since it was reported that an LE officer doing a "routine" drive around had located/found/ID'd, whichever, in the complex's parking lot.
I guess I was thinking in terms of a "BOLO" for the hummer....and the typical "Cops show" type of thing, where he sees the hummer, pulls up behind, you hear him put the engine in park...you hear the "bing bing bing" when he opens the door with the keys still in the ignition (LOL)...he calls in the plate....OR, the plate was part of the BOLO.

I didn't understand what you were saying, BUT, you're right, the car would come back as Dale's.

No problem, I was just trying to figure out why leave the stuff on the seat to ID it? I thought the perp would want time to get away, but once that hummer was found, LE would be sure she was kidnapped. But I see what Jersey Girl means, it could have been a lure for car thiefs and additional prints.

 

[Skully]

I doubt anyone knows this either, but Michelle's phone, do you charge it in the car, with a car charger? If so, I am wondering if the charger was in the hummer too? It powered down at 8:01 I think that is what is reported, I always thought it was due to being put in the lake or someone turned it off or took out the battery, but maybe it just needed charged? Not that it matters just something I thought about, because of Jennifer Kesse's case. There was some issue about the charger.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I doubt anyone knows this either, but Michelle's phone, do you charge it in the car, with a car charger? If so, I am wondering if the charger was in the hummer too? It powered down at 8:01 I think that is what is reported, I always thought it was due to being put in the lake or someone turned it off or took out the battery, but maybe it just needed charged? Not that it matters just something I thought about, because of Jennifer Kesse's case. There was some issue about the charger.

Yes, t can be charged in a car with an Apple compatible car charger. Knowing that she has a mobile business, I'd assume she'd have a car charger. I wonder as well as you if her charger was left in the H3 as well. All those coils, that springy charger, could hold a lot of trace evidence.

 

[Analyze This]

Is there anyway we could have a link added to the opening post of this thread for the questions list provided by nobodynoz in posts 297 and 300 of this thread? How do I ask a mod for help or has this already been asked and wasn't possible for some reason? Or is there already a link somewhere and I missed it?

It's a great way to keep track of anything that has already been asked and sleuthed.

 

[Skully]

Yes, t can be charged in a car with an Apple compatible car charger. Knowing that she has a mobile business, I'd assume she'd have a car charger. I wonder as well as you if her charger was left in the H3 as well. All those coils, that springy charger, could hold a lot of trace evidence.

Keeping the phone and daring to even text back is bothering me. There are two things the perp has to distance himself from, 1 is the body, 2 is the phone, it acts like a homing device. I know some feel it was to see if anyone was missing her yet. They know she had the 3:30 call from A, but was it a message he sent her to let her know he got home, or was it a two way thing, like she called him right back. So if that is the case, the person could have texted A and said "Good, do your homework" something like that. Just kicking stuff around again. Why respond to one call but not the other, why leave that phone on to retrace steps. Again, just thinking out loud. Once they figured out she was missing that phone had to have lots of calls on it and some really worried messages.

 

[Analyze This]

Keeping the phone and daring to even text back is bothering me. There are two things the perp has to distance himself from, 1 is the body, 2 is the phone, it acts like a homing device. I know some feel it was to see if anyone was missing her yet. They know she had the 3:30 call from A, but was it a message he sent her to let her know he got home, or was it a two way thing, like she called him right back. So if that is the case, the person could have texted A and said "Good, do your homework" something like that. Just kicking stuff around again. Why respond to one call but not the other, why leave that phone on to retrace steps. Again, just thinking out loud. Once they figured out she was missing that phone had to have lots of calls on it and some really worried messages.

I went back through the media articles regarding the 4:30 ping on Hoffner and there is a video of YS stating that the ping occurred around 4:30pm on Hoffner Ave. So, I guess we can assume that there is some correspondence between the "Waterford" text and the Hoffner Ave ping. Maybe?

The questions list by nobodynoz has all of the pertinent links and it included a video that I hadn't seen. That was the one where YS stated around 4:30pm.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Well if she met with anyone who was not a mysterious stranger that she was lying about going to meet, or if anyone saw either her alone or her in the Hummer with the decals intact after leaving DSJr's then he would not be the prime suspect IMO.

So if she did go somewhere before heading home, like purchasing a gift for NM, someone would have seen her. Although the original post said...



The bolded part perhaps came across differently than was intended?

If she did go somewhere else, there might have been a bank transaction for a purchase...anything to indicate that she was still alive after 3:18pm. And there would be no reason for her to leave her oldest son at home wondering where she was. A quick call to him would have been the least of the contact she would have made after leaving DSJr's, not just a one word text to her brother an hour later.

But she didn't. Probably because she couldn't.

MOO

I agree with you Kamille. The LE have had more than 16 detectives working on the case, a Smart panel, and countless others who have the inside scoop on what evidence LE has and doesn't have... Correct me if I'm wrong but we have no evidence that Michelle just walked away. No history of her EVER doing that...we have no leads on a random person kidnapping Michelle, no evidence that Michelle would ever meet a random stranger without telling someone do we?

But we have plenty of clues on Dale. That to me is pretty convincing that LE still hasn't cleared Dale or named any new POI. Yup Dale is STILL the ONLY suspect...BTW what happened to MN's big announcement to clear his client? The only big announcement I have seen is his new CNN gig...maybe he was just buying time until he moved on to bigger and better things? It's hard to clear your client IMO when he smells SOOO guilty. MOO

 

[Skully]

I went back through the media articles regarding the 4:30 ping on Hoffner and there is a video of YS stating that the ping occurred around 4:30pm on Hoffner Ave. So, I guess we can assume that there is some correspondence between the "Waterford" text and the Hoffner Ave ping. Maybe?

The questions list by nobodynoz has all of the pertinent links and it included a video that I hadn't seen. That was the one where YS stated around 4:30pm.

If this is the same ping; then we are back to who is on first, and who is on second with the time line. thanks again.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I went back through the media articles regarding the 4:30 ping on Hoffner and there is a video of YS stating that the ping occurred around 4:30pm on Hoffner Ave. So, I guess we can assume that there is some correspondence between the "Waterford" text and the Hoffner Ave ping. Maybe?

The questions list by nobodynoz has all of the pertinent links and it included a video that I hadn't seen. That was the one where YS stated around 4:30pm.

So if what YS says is true (the ping happening around 4:30 at Hoffner) then this COULD show either:

1. Dale had accomplice taking care of some evidence (Hummer, phone, etc) allowing Dale to establish his alibi or

2. Dale didn't really arrive arrive AT or BY 4:30 putting his alibi in jeopardy. BTW what else is he lying about? No wonder he wouldn't take the lie detector test...JMO but his nose keeps growing...

Now if YS was mistaken on the time then it doesn't really give us anything new to go on...Wish LE would release more to the public.

 

[Jazzmaster]

From the episode that aired the day our beloved Michelle disappeared:

Michelle: "He gets pretty malicious and vindictive. He's a mean person, especially when he's drinking. Any of the problems that we had, it's always been alcohol."

When the judge asked why she threw the ring, Michelle said, "He shouldn't have put his hands on me, and he shouldn't have put his hands on me prior."

There we have it folks... Now I wonder, how much did Dale have to drink while watching PC? IMO of ALL the FB photos I have seen he seems to be double fisting the drinks. He has had problems with drugs and alcohol in the past and correct me if I am wrong but one of his friends on here stated he tried AA but fell off the bandwagon? I can't find the post.

So if he was intoxicated or high the day of the show, maybe a fight occurred when Michelle said she wasn't going to leave the kids with him while he was impaired (just a theory). He strikes her, she threatens to call the police. He panics and tries to silence her and realizes it's strike three so he has to hide what he has done? That is a possibility but I am still stuck on him planning this in advance...After all he did say "you're day is coming" after breaking Michelle's window so anything is possible. Dale, where is she? Praying for you Michelle!

 

[FrayedKnot]

Re the Hummer: Really? I thought it was her H3? I'm confused...

Re a murder: True, you have a point Telemag. Does Michelle have a history of disappearing when faced with a stressful situation?

Mvho is that Michelle was harmed but I'm not sold at all on it being Dale. Why would she up & leave 3 children & multiple avenues of money coming in? I mean again she had 5 incomes. The H3 wasn't her's? Whose name is it under then? Was it verified that it was under Dale or somebody else? Is it still in impound with investigators?

The Hummer was Dale's. And conveniently found parked safe and sound without a scratch on it.

A smarter perp would have rolled it into a lake. A carjacker would have chopped it. Lucky for Dale, the car didn't depreciate in any way!

MOO.


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[Evanesco]

The Hummer was Dale's. And conveniently found parked safe and sound without a scratch on it.

A smarter perp would have rolled it into a lake. A carjacker would have chopped it. Lucky for Dale, the car didn't depreciate in any way!

MOO.


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I agree!!

IIRC Dale lived at this complex in the past right? I'd swear I just read that in the last thread..

 

[FrayedKnot]

Thanks you guys about the Hummer. I still have questions about it, though...maybe even more now.

For instance, if the H3 was in Dale's name on the loan side of it, could he have consigned? Common denomination tells me that Dale's credit might have been better than Michelle's due to the fact that he owns his own home. Michelle was previously divorced & I thought they lost the house they had due to money woes? I forget, found that in the beginning of all this. Michelle lived with her mom & registered a business back in 2006 at her mom's address, but from what I can gather still hadn't purchased a residence in her own name. The H3 being in Dale's name would make sense BUT if it was than certainly that would offset money paid out to her in child support. Something just doesn't add up.

I posted this on an earlier thread, but when my ex husband and I were working out the terms of child support, I told him I would take less in monthly support if he would finish paying off my vehicle and cover the insurance. once paid off, the vehicle was transferred to my name.

It was not court mandated, it was an agreement we came up with that worked for us. We had our lawyers draw it up and we signed off on it.

It is entirely possible that Michelle and Dale had such an arrangement between them and that the vehicle figured in her child support income. Even if they were not married. If they both agreed on it during child support/visitation arbitration, then there is could have been stipulated in the support agreement.

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[Jazzmaster]

I posted this on an earlier thread, but when my ex husband and I were working out the terms of child support, I told him I would take less in monthly support if he would finish paying off my vehicle and cover the insurance. once paid off, the vehicle was transferred to my name.

It was not court mandated, it was an agreement we came up with that worked for us. We had our lawyers draw it up and we signed off on it.

It is entirely possible that Michelle and Dale had such an arrangement between them and that the vehicle figured in her child support income. Even if they were not married. If they both agreed on it during child support/visitation arbitration, then there is could have been stipulated in the support agreement.

Hope this helps!


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That does help! Thank you. IIRC that was when we were discussing the fact that Dale missed several child support payments and had to be taken to court to get his wages garnished so Michelle could take care of the twinners. That was thread #19 toward the end. I believe SimpleLikeThat pointed out Dale was ONLY late 3 times. Was anyone able to confirm that? TIA

 

[FrayedKnot]

That does help! Thank you. IIRC that was when we were discussing the fact that Dale missed several child support payments and had to be taken to court to get his wages garnished so Michelle could take care of the twinners. That was thread #19 toward the end. I believe SimpleLikeThat pointed out Dale was ONLY late 3 times. Was anyone able to confirm that? TIA

IMO, as the twins were only 3 years old, being late even three times is pretty lame. If your kids are toddlers and you already have to have your wages garnished, that is not a simple whoops.

And DS2 didn't waste any time asking for a refund for November and December child support. Yes, it was ruled he was exempt from paying support while Michelle was missing, but geez. Tacky much?

But tacky ain't guilty. I know. Still.....


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[Cblewife]

From the episode that aired the day our beloved Michelle disappeared:

Michelle: "He gets pretty malicious and vindictive. He's a mean person, especially when he's drinking. Any of the problems that we had, it's always been alcohol."

When the judge asked why she threw the ring, Michelle said, "He shouldn't have put his hands on me, and he shouldn't have put his hands on me prior."

There we have it folks... Now I wonder, how much did Dale have to drink while watching PC? IMO of ALL the FB photos I have seen he seems to be double fisting the drinks. He has had problems with drugs and alcohol in the past and correct me if I am wrong but one of his friends on here stated he tried AA but fell off the bandwagon? I can't find the post.

So if he was intoxicated or high the day of the show, maybe a fight occurred when Michelle said she wasn't going to leave the kids with him while he was impaired (just a theory). He strikes her, she threatens to call the police. He panics and tries to silence her and realizes it's strike three so he has to hide what he has done? That is a possibility but I am still stuck on him planning this in advance...After all he did say "you're day is coming" after breaking Michelle's window so anything is possible. Dale, where is she? Praying for you Michelle!

BBM - Yes, just a theory, but a good one. One of the better ones I've seen on why he may suddenly have lost it on this particular day.

I put my trust in the dedicated LE of this great state. I do not believe they rushed to name a POI, in fact, I believe they waited in naming Dale immediately in the hopes he would lead them to Michelle. We are not privy to all the information they have and until Dale is formally charged, we'll probably never know. I do believe he had assistance, and I think it was either his father or a friend, either of whom could have been there when Michelle arrived, and there wouldn't necessarily have to be another vehicle there if someone rode with Dale to his condo. Someone stated earlier that just a friend wouldn't participate in a murder and cover up. I totally disagree and believe a friend who knew what he was capable of would do as they were told.

The timeline is totally workable, especially with someone else there. I find it hard to continue to believe if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck it must be a cow. MOO

 

[telemag]

A lot of if's and speculations about Michelle's disappearance. I think this is what makes it so hard to figure out as there are not many things that are actually known. We know that Michelle has not been heard from for months. We know that she was driving Dale's Hummer that day and it was found by a lady walking her dog later that evening. We know that the Hummer arrived at Dale's condo at 3:18 and although we don't know if Michelle was driving it I guess we can assume with almost complete certainty that she was. We know that she was at KFC earlier that day at 12:22. We don't know what time she left Dale's condo, we don't know that it wasn't her that made the Waterford text. We know that her phone was found in reasonably good enough shape to get at least one picture off of it. We don't know for sure that a crime has been committed.

Why would her abductor bother to use her phone? I have to ask myself if this person would not have made the text then how would it have changed things? Would Michelle have been found? I personally think Michelle sent the Waterford text. Why wouldn't her phone be disposed of right from the start? Being able to hide a body and not a phone is really bothering me. It seems rediculous that something as small as phone can be found in muddy waters, but not a body? I almost believe that someone planted that phone and their intentions were for it to be found.

 

[nobodynoz]

IIRC - Michelle's hummer was in Dales name. And there were reports of him wanting it back. We talked about it a few threads back, but I don't remember which thread. Sorry! =)

My memory is that early on in this case, someone from Michelle's family (Yvonne?) stated that the Hummer was in Dale's name, but that he was not happy with having his name on the vehicle. In other words, it wasn't that he wanted the Hummer for himself, it's that he didn't want his name on it any longer.

MOO, of course, because I have no source link for the above, and don't have time to look for it.

I have heard a lot of talk about Dale wanting the vehicle back, but I know of no source link for that. IMO, without a source link, that should not be taken as fact, any more than my own memory, detailed above.

 

[telemag]

My memory is that early on in this case, someone from Michelle's family (Yvonne?) stated that the Hummer was in Dale's name, but that he was not happy with having his name on the vehicle. In other words, it wasn't that he wanted the Hummer for himself, it's that he didn't want his name on it any longer.

MOO, of course, because I have no source link for the above, and don't have time to look for it.

I have heard a lot of talk about Dale wanting the vehicle back, but I know of no source link for that. IMO, without a source link, that should not be taken as fact, any more than my own memory, detailed above.

I think it worth mentioning that one can not just switch names on a vehicle that has a bank loan on it. Not that you implied that, but a lot of people think that you can just change a name. Dale would have had to sell it to Michelle and even if he sold it to her for payoff she would have had to get another loan.