FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #20

[Thor]

With brad parker, (michelle's father), and dustin parker (michelles brother), both making public statements in the media that they have NO physical evidence in the case, and that they continue to hold onto Hope, it seems that the ONLY evidence then that they must have is solely Circumstancial.

Which makes me view this as circumstancial evidence is the same/equal to dale is the last known person to see michelle, and the fact that they have a bad past together then = prime suspect.

MOO

Many cases have been successfully prosecuted without physical evidence although the burden on the prosecution is extremely high in such instances. The problem here is that there aren't strong enough circumstantial evidence to attempt a prosecution at least as far as the public record shows.

 

[Jazzmaster]

The question here is not that Dale is a good guy or not, but who is responsible for Michelle Parker disappearance and most importantly what happened to Michelle Parker.

If Dale will take a polygraph and "come clean" about what he did with Michelle then we all can figure out what HAPPENED to Michelle. Dale...the ball is in your court! Only he and his accomplice(s) know the true story...She went into the condo and hasn't been seen since...Dale has no idea where she is? Well why did he find the need to "erase 42 minutes" and lie to LE?

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

With brad parker, (michelle's father), and dustin parker (michelles brother), both making public statements in the media that they have NO physical evidence in the case, and that they continue to hold onto Hope, it seems that the ONLY evidence then that they must have is solely Circumstancial.

Which makes me view this as circumstancial evidence is the same/equal to dale is the last known person to see michelle, and the fact that they have a bad past together then = prime suspect.

MOO

Just gotta ask, why would you think/believe that Brad OR Dustin would know that??? I mean, I know they were reported to have said that.
But, I can pretty well say THAT didn't come from LE....perhaps it's THEIR feeling?? Like No Body = Not Dead.....they still have 'hope", IMO, because Michelle hasn't been found.

As always, just IMO.

 

[katydid23]

bbm Except the 4:26pm cell phone text from michelle's phone to her brother dustin parker....the one that family & LE says isnt from her, but they haven't said who it is from or who they THINK it is from.

I think we all know who they think it is from. And I don't mean Michelle.

 

[Thor]

If Dale will take a polygraph and "come clean" about what he did with Michelle then we all can figure out what HAPPENED to Michelle. Dale...the ball is in your court! Only he and his accomplice(s) know the true story...She went into the condo and hasn't been seen since...Dale has no idea where she is? Well why did he find the need to "erase 42 minutes" and lie to LE?

Nobody comes clean by taking and passing a lie detector test. Lie detector tests do not exonerate suspects, and Police would never agree to not prosecute based on lie detector results.

What 42 minutes did Dale erase? And when did the Police alleged he lied? Can you please point me to any public record to that effect?

 

[Jazzmaster]

Many cases have been successfully prosecuted without physical evidence although the burden on the prosecution is extremely high in such instances. The problem here is that there aren't strong enough circumstantial evidence to attempt a prosecution at least as far as the public record shows.

Yes as far as what's been released to the public...LE isn't about to tip their "hand" until they absolutely need to. Over 300 cases have been tried WITHOUT a body with over a 90% conviction rate...JMO but the new SMART PANEL will find what the DA needs to move forward.

 

[nobodynoz]

With brad parker, (michelle's father), and dustin parker (michelles brother), both making public statements in the media that they have NO physical evidence in the case, and that they continue to hold onto Hope, it seems that the ONLY evidence then that they must have is solely Circumstancial.

Which makes me view this as circumstancial evidence is the same/equal to dale is the last known person to see michelle, and the fact that they have a bad past together then = prime suspect.

MOO

JMO, and I'm far from any kind of expert, but circumstantial evidence shouldn't be given short shrift. Enough gathered circumstantial evidence will result in a conviction. I'm sure there are experienced posters here who can point to many such cases. In fact, I would say that IMO, most cases are probably decided on the basis of circumstantial evidence.

If Dale's and Michelle's cell phones were pinging from the same locations throughout the afternoon and evening, that would be circumstantial evidence. Perhaps Dale's fingerprints were on Michelle's cell phone--another bit of circumstantial evidence. Perhaps LE has surveillance video from one of the other condos behind Dale's, showing someone who looks just like Dale or just like a friend or family member of Dale's, driving Michelle's Hummer out of the condo development on the evening of November 17. Who knows what LE has? Not us...yet.

 

[artzypantz]

Just gotta ask, why would you think/believe that Brad OR Dustin would know that??? I mean, I know they were reported to have said that.
But, I can pretty well say THAT didn't come from LE....perhaps it's THEIR feeling?? Like No Body = Not Dead.....they still have 'hope", IMO, because Michelle hasn't been found.

As always, just IMO.

They are the parents/family of michelle, and they are the ones who are communicating with LE on her case. They know the in's and out's of michelle's life.....

To me its common sense they know much more than anyone here does or ever will and i dont think they would just be saying theres nothing to go by physically, if that wasnt the case.

 

[artzypantz]

I think we all know who they think it is from. And I don't mean Michelle.

Did anyone come out and publicly state who they think was the person to have sent that text? i could have missed it if they did. Do you have a link to LE or the parker family saying who they think sent the text? I know they have said publicly they believe michelle did not send it & have seen that reported.

 

[artzypantz]

JMO, and I'm far from any kind of expert, but circumstantial evidence shouldn't be given short shrift. Enough gathered circumstantial evidence will result in a conviction. I'm sure there are experienced posters here who can point to many such cases. In fact, I would say that IMO, most cases are probably decided on the basis of circumstantial evidence.

If Dale's and Michelle's cell phones were pinging from the same locations throughout the afternoon and evening, that would be circumstantial evidence. Perhaps Dale's fingerprints were on Michelle's cell phone--another bit of circumstantial evidence. Perhaps LE has surveillance video from one of the other condos behind Dale's, showing someone who looks just like Dale or just like a friend or family member of Dale's, driving Michelle's Hummer out of the condo development on the evening of November 17. Who knows what LE has? Not us...yet.

BBM......I see what your saying, but the bolded above.....wouldnt that be physical evidence instead of circumstancial?

 

[nobodynoz]

BBM......I see what your saying, but the bolded above.....wouldnt that be physical evidence instead of circumstancial?

It's only my opinion, but I think each of those are considered circumstantial evidence.

 

[katydid23]

Did anyone come out and publicly state who they think was the person to have sent that text? i could have missed it if they did. Do you have a link to LE or the parker family saying who they think sent the text? I know they have said publicly they believe michelle did not send it & have seen that reported.

The person who sent it had to have her cell phone, thus they had to have Michelle too. LE has only named one suspect so far, so I imagine that is who they assume would have had her phone.

 

[artzypantz]

It's only my opinion, but I think each of those are considered circumstantial evidence.

Ok well if you are correct, and LE of any kind goes by this, then im way off base as far as evidence goes.
Thanks!

 

[katydid23]

Ok well if you are correct, and LE of any kind goes by this, then im way off base as far as evidence goes.
Thanks!

I think you would be right that fingerprints on her cell would be physical, direct, forensics evidence, and not just circumstantial.

 

[Thor]

It's only my opinion, but I think each of those are considered circumstantial evidence.

If Dale's fingerprints were found on the cell phone, and if it can be proven that Dale and Michelle never had reason to come in close physical contact, than this would be a damming piece of physical evidence against Dale.

Unfortunately this as just about every other so called evidence, comes from who knows where and who knows who.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Nobody comes clean by taking and passing a lie detector test. Lie detector tests do not exonerate suspects, and Police would never agree to not prosecute based on lie detector results.

What 42 minutes did Dale erase? And when did the Police alleged he lied? Can you please point me to any public record to that effect?

I used the word "and"... Take a polygraph and "come clean"... Not "take a polygraph to come clean". I have spoken to many experts about how these tests work and am quie familiar with the process...I wasn't even referring to Dale taking a poly to avoid prosecution but rather as a step to show he is commited to finding Michelle. For example if he privately took a lie detector test and passed or took some reasonable steps to try to eliminate himself as a suspect...then LE could focus on another alternative. Therein lies the problem. IMO Dale knows he can never be ruled out because there is blood on his hands. It would take just one question and he'd fail... Such as "Dale, did Michelle leave your condo under her own free will after she dropped the children off on the 17th" um ah yes! Fail! JMO

By reading through some of the previous threads about the case, you will see Dale lies to LE and said Michelle arrived at 4pm stayed ten minutes and left his condo...when in fact the neighbor's video captured her vehicle arriving 42 minutes earlier at 3:18. Dale needed to erase those minutes in his lies to LE in an attempt to establish an alibi. If she arrives at 4:00...stays 10 minutes and he arrives at Rose blvd at 4:30 it's less likely he'd have time to harm her. BUT with 42 extra minutes it is MUCH more likely he had enough time to carry out his plan to make Michelle disappear IMO.

 

[telemag]

Nobody comes clean by taking and passing a lie detector test. Lie detector tests do not exonerate suspects, and Police would never agree to not prosecute based on lie detector results.

What 42 minutes did Dale erase? And when did the Police alleged he lied? Can you please point me to any public record to that effect?

I was just about to ask this question. I have heard so much about him lying to the police, but as far as I know I have never seen anything from LE stating that. IMO there are far too many people stating things as fact and it def gets confusing.

 

[telemag]

Many years ago a guy I knew got into some trouble because he had supplied some friends who were underage with some beer. The problem was they DA tried to charge him with a lot more than just that. They asked him to take a lie detector test which he had actually volunteed to take before he was asked as he was 100% sure he would pass. Well, the "test" was deemed inconclusive. He ended up paying for his own test and he passed. He was never changed with anything other than contributing to a minor. I remember him telling me and this was many years ago so I will not be able to give you his exact words, that the guy who gave him the test said that many times when you take these tests that are set up by LE that they can be interpreted in such a way that if it looks like you are telling the truth they can skew the test to make it look inconclusive. This is done by asking certain question that really don't have a yes or no answer. Lie detector tests are not black and white. If they were there would be a lot less court trials.

 

[Thor]

Let's put it this way... When you get questioned by LE and tell the TRUTH, don't withhold information, and are straight forward with them about what you know they typically work with you. If you are truly innocent and you are helping them you have far less of a chance of becoming a suspect. Yet when you lie about when she came and went, tell a false story that she said she was "going shopping" MOO and then refuse to answer any more questions, that's what guilty people do. LE have dozens of years of experience, took hundreds of hours of classes on criminal behavior and interrogation, etc etc. There have been dozens of professionals looking over this case and no NEW suspects. Why? IMO they have identified the Suspect, they know he did it, but lack the physical evidence to arrest him today. That doesn't mean that his arrest isn't coming soon.... I think the press conference was a warning to Dale and positive sign the investigation is heading in the right direction!

No defense attorney would advise anyone to make statements to the police and no police would ever advise anyone they have a constitutional right to remain silent, unless they arrest them and read them their Miranda rights.

Especially if one is arrested, they are probably totally out of their environment, they are amateurs among professionals. Every word anybody says can and will be used against them if they are prosecuted.

Every statements anyone makes to the police can be interpreted in a different way that the way they meant it. Every piece of evidence, physical or circumstantial can be also interpreted in different ways.

Remember that although police are professionals and are not out there to "get you" they are humans and like all humans they can make mistakes. The overwhelming majority of conviction are secured by statements made by the defendants themselves and there are plenty of people that have been convicted and subsequently exonerated, and those are only the ones we are aware of.

To ask for counsel cannot be construed by a jury as an admission of guilt and one does not need to be guilty to ask for counsel.

Attorneys are the only ones that have a professional duty to defend suspects, no one else does. Remember that the role of the police is to gather evidence and not to establish guilt or innocence, that is for a jury of one's peers to decide.

People are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and one's right to counsel and/or to remain silent is enshrined in the constitution for very good reasons having to do, among other things, with fairness, justice and liberty.

 

[Jazzmaster]

No defense attorney would advise anyone to make statements to the police and no police would ever advise anyone they have a constitutional right to remain silent, unless they arrest them and read them their Miranda rights.

Especially if one is arrested, they are probably totally out of their environment, they are amateurs among professionals. Every word anybody says can and will be used against them if they are prosecuted.

Every statements anyone makes to the police can be interpreted in a different way that the way they meant it. Every piece of evidence, physical or circumstantial can be also interpreted in different ways.

Remember that although police are professionals and are not out there to "get you" they are humans and like all humans they can make mistakes. The overwhelming majority of conviction are secured by statements made by the defendants themselves and there are plenty of people that have been convicted and subsequently exonerated, and those are only the one we are aware of.

To ask for counsel cannot be construed by a jury as an admission of guilt and one does not need to be guilty to ask for counsel.

Attorneys are the only ones that have a professional duty to defend suspects, no one else does. Remember that the role of the police is to gather evidence and not to establish guilt or innocence, that is for a jury of one's peers to decide.

People are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and one's right to counsel and/or to remain silent is enshrined in the constitution for very good reasons having to do, among other things, with fairness, justice and liberty.

I was referring to when Michelle first went missing. If you are innocent and have nothing to hide why would you need an attorney? I'm not following you...An innocent person answers LE questions and tries to help not hinder the investigation.

When becoming a suspect you certainly will want an attorney...that is common sense 101...my point was Dale had an opportunity to cooperate. He couldn't truthfully answer the questions IMO so he needed an attorney.