FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #20

[Sparky]

I don't know how anyone can see Michelle's FB page since it's private. Unless you are friends with her. Fact.

And to clear things up about A...Fact his father took him out of state to get him away from things here. He was not taken away from his grandparents.

I don't see any reason why A and his dad are being brought into this anyways. Regardless, if they live 10 miles or 1000 miles away, We are not allowed to sleuth them. Fact
Jmo

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I don't know how anyone can see Michelle's FB page since it's private. Unless you are friends with her. Fact.

And to clear things up about A...Fact his father took him out of state to get him away from things here. He was not taken away from his grandparents.

I don't see any reason why A and his dad are being brought into this anyways. Regardless, if they live 10 miles or 1000 miles away, We are not allowed to sleuth them. Fact
Jmo

Agree. (Please could you edit your post to say A instead of his name? <3)

Sparky, do you know the normal route Michelle would take after dropping her twins off to Dale?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

What are Dale's stomping grounds? What clubs/bars did he frequent?

Same for Michelle, except also I'd like to know if we have a complete list of bars that she worked at.

Here's where I'm going with this - In Casey Anthony's case, we were able to find pictures taken at a club by a photog that walks around snapping shots, then posting them on the www. Maybe we can locate pictures the similar way to figure out their habits. Ya never know, it's worth a shot...

 

[Jazzmaster]

IMO We are going in circles here, these are not facts just opinions and they go like this in this case:

If it is true that Dale does not allow enough visitation rights to BP and YS then Dale is selfish or bad or whatever ... you name it.

So OK another if and then, not knowing all that actually transpired in a visitation issues, not taking into accounts what one doesn't know about this dispute, taking verbatim one side account only and then arriving to an opinion where Dale is of course the "bad" guy.

How would you define "liberal" visitation? Certainly more than every other month for YS and possibly never for BP. How is that opinion? Either he allowed the twinners to see their grandparents frequently or he didn't...how do we know there was a dispute? EVEN if there WERE a dispute then he still has no RIGHT to change the agreement UNLESS Michelle's parents broke their end of the bargain.

For example if the agreement said Dale must allow liberal visitation and her parents must not discuss Dale's involvement publicly or this agreement is null and void. Not saying that is the case but just using an example. If there were some sort of stipulations in their contract and the parents violated the agreement Dale has every right to enforce what they agreed to. Short of a scenario like that he needs to "man up" and uphold his end of the AGREEMENT! JMO

 

[Jersey*Girl]

No one should ever be required to prove their own innocence or hope for people to assume them innocent, in any settings. Public opinion makes no difference to Dale unless the issue is to find 12 impartial jurors, Public opinion (of some sort at least) of Dale is an end onto itself in this case, it contributes nothing to finding the answers to the real crucial question "what happened to Michelle Parker" and "who is responsible for it" IMO

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law ... Key words being court of law.

 

[Jazzmaster]

No one should ever be required to prove their own innocence or hope for people to assume them innocent, in any settings. Public opinion makes no difference to Dale unless the issue is to find 12 impartial jurors, Public opinion (of some sort at least) of Dale is an end onto itself in this case, it contributes nothing to finding the answers to the real crucial question "what happened to Michelle Parker" and "who is responsible for it" IMO

I respectfully disagree! A great majority of us here believe we KNOW "what happened to Michelle Parker" and "who is responsible for it". His name is Dale Smith Jr. ALL the clues point to HIS involvement...If we want to find Michelle IMO we need to figure out HOW he did it and WHERE he hid her. Those last two variables are the ONLY mystery to me. JMO

 

[Skully]

I only read he lives out of state. Near end of article:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/c...issing-mom-michelle-parker-turns-2140924.html

Where did you see it's 1,000 miles away? TIA

YS stated that they moved to PA in a MSM news video, that is who many found out.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I hope they don't get the part where Daddy kills mommy because some people happen to think so or because they read it somewhere or saw it on TV. It's hard enough to having lost their mother ... I think Dale should take them out of this environment at least temporarily.

I agree the kids will some day find out that daddy killed mommy...when they do it will be a sad day. IMO Dale should maybe take a break from FL if he needs a "fresh start" and leave the children with the grandparents. That's just my unbiased opinion!

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I respectfully disagree! A great majority of us here believe we KNOW "what happened to Michelle Parker" and "who is responsible for it". His name is Dale Smith Jr. ALL the clues point to HIS involvement...If we want to find Michelle IMO we need to figure out HOW he did it and WHERE he hid her. Those last two variables are the ONLY mystery to me. JMO

Jazz, good morning! So, going off of this, why would Michelle be in Oak Ridge? Iiiiifffff he did this, then wouldn't her body have been dumped before tossing the phone over the Nela Bridge? Keep in mind the last ping and that Waterford text. If she didn't send that text as so many suggest, then she'd have already been gone by then (maybe), so where would she be? Wouldn't she have been dumped opposite her H3? What about if the cell was dumped 2nd? Wouldn't that suggest her body was dumped first? If her body was dumped first, it would more than likely have been done before rush hour, so easiest place would be landfill with a back hidden nonmonitored entrance or set of woods with a lake or 2 in it. If her body was held somewhere else for a short period while figuring out where to put it for final resting, then wouldn't that have left a scent?

Also, wanted to let you know an iPhone is different from any other phone. The only way to get to its sim, memory & battery is to use a special tool to open it. You can smash it with a sledge hammer & bust all the glass, possibly do some damage with frying the inside wiring, but that stuff could be retrievable by switching stuff out. In this instance the safest way for the perp to get rid of the evidence was to throw it into water or mud. Whomever did this knew what they were doing.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law ... Key words being court of law.

So TRUE and until this goes to trial or someone else is implicated...Dale will carry the "GUILTY" and "KILLER" labels around with him. Jmo Additionally he may need to go out of the country if he wants to go where no one knows about him because of all the NATIONAL attention this has received...

 

[Jazzmaster]

What are Dale's stomping grounds? What clubs/bars did he frequent?

Same for Michelle, except also I'd like to know if we have a complete list of bars that she worked at.

Here's where I'm going with this - In Casey Anthony's case, we were able to find pictures taken at a club by a photog that walks around snapping shots, then posting them on the www. Maybe we can locate pictures the similar way to figure out their habits. Ya never know, it's worth a shot...

I have a TON of pictures of the two of them i found through sleuthing but I thought we aren't allowed to share FB/social media per the TOS?

 

[Jazzmaster]

IMO Agreed ... who would not want their children to be around people who say you are a murderer? If this was not so tragic it would be funny.

If he doesn't want to be known as a "murderer" then why not take steps to clear this label? I KNOW he doesn't HAVE to...he's NOT REQUIRED to do that, Innocent until proven GUILTY, on and on, but where I come from you'd fight to clear those labels. Our generation cares about reputation. You work your lifetime to build a good reputation.

I get Dale doesn't care about what people think of him nor his reputation as evidenced by his LONG list of violent criminal offenses and attacks on poor innocent women. I get that! But I would think the stigma of being considered a murderer by most of America would be motivation enough to cooperate in the investigation and prove he had no part in the disappearance. I guess I'm just old fashioned!

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I have a TON of pictures of the two of them i found through sleuthing but I thought we aren't allowed to share FB/social media per the TOS?

True, I have tons too bc I took screen caps of all the photobuckets & FB albums in the very beginning. What I'm talking about isn't FB though. It's a photographer that snaps pics at clubs & venues then posts them online. I haven't seen too many except for Dale in his sexy man contest, or whatever it was called. If we can locate any of those links showing Dale & Michelle , then those are allowed to be posted. They're public media supported pages.

 

[Jazzmaster]

He can take them out of their envirnment temporarily but that's all it will be is a temporary fix. In other words, he can run but he can't hide. Just like OJ, his kids will someday know the truth, not the truth as Dale would have them know it, but the truth as it is.

Sure, there are a few scattered people and stalwart friends who believe Dale's story, and a few contratrians here and there, (quite a few here, actually), but by and large, the vast majority of people who become acquainted with the facts of this case instintively know that this Dale killed his ex-girlfriend, aka the kids' mom.

Dale cannot hold back the tide of information forever. The day will come - if he's not in jail first - when his kids will understand that their dad killed their beloved mom. Then, like OJ's kids, they will disown him.

Great points Lark! I couldn't agree MORE. JMO but those kids will grow up to HATE their father some day when they find out what he did!

 

[What'sThatClue]

YS stated that they moved to PA in a MSM news video, that is who many found out.

Could you post a link please? I'd love to see it. TIA

 

[Jazzmaster]

Ok, tomorrow or the next day or soon we know for sure he's going to get charged and convicted of the murder of Michelle Parker. Given it has been 6 months since they have been investigating him and clearly have not charged him with any crime I have serious doubts about that.

BTW I never said I believe Dale's story or not, nor did I say I believe he's innocent or guilty. I actually have no opinion one way or the other. I respect facts and I don't see a lot of them here to make a decision. I am not sure if that makes me a "contrarian" as you put it or simply one of those who just are not acquainted enough with the facts as you also put it but perhaps you are right on both counts, I'll keep an open mind about that.

Yes a "contrarian" in this case IMO is when someone ignores the facts, coinicidences, and general common sense in one direction (aka toward Dale's involvement) and accept on faith that Dale had no involvement. It takes a MUCH larger leap of faith IMO to believe Dale had no part than it does to simply believe what has been painted, put 2 and 2 together, and come to the conclusion YUP he did it! JMO MOO IMO

 

[telemag]

Yes a "contrarian" in this case IMO is when someone ignores the facts, coinicidences, and general common sense in one direction (aka toward Dale's involvement) and accept on faith that Dale had no involvement. It takes a MUCH larger leap of faith IMO to believe Dale had no part than it does to simply believe what has been painted, put 2 and 2 together, and come to the conclusion YUP he did it! JMO MOO IMO

One thing is for sure. There are no facts in this case that Dale "did it" if so he would be in jail.

 

[Jazzmaster]

True, I have tons too bc I took screen caps of all the photobuckets & FB albums in the very beginning. What I'm talking about isn't FB though. It's a photographer that snaps pics at clubs & venues then posts them online. I haven't seen too many except for Dale in his sexy man contest, or whatever it was called. If we can locate any of those links showing Dale & Michelle , then those are allowed to be posted. They're public media supported pages.

Problem is IMO Dale is very web savvy and as soon as something is mentioned publicly it disappears. just another reason I think he is guilty. Why go through all that trouble deleting stuff if you have nothing to hide. JMO he is very deceitful with all of his online personas and who he claims to be online. My point here is that though these pics existed many have been deleted or made private. I have a ton of screen captures myself but cannot post here. I have found very little public supported media pages. A few but I'd rather not share those ones at this time.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Jazz, good morning! So, going off of this, why would Michelle be in Oak Ridge? Iiiiifffff he did this, then wouldn't her body have been dumped before tossing the phone over the Nela Bridge? Keep in mind the last ping and that Waterford text. If she didn't send that text as so many suggest, then she'd have already been gone by then (maybe), so where would she be? Wouldn't she have been dumped opposite her H3? What about if the cell was dumped 2nd? Wouldn't that suggest her body was dumped first? If her body was dumped first, it would more than likely have been done before rush hour, so easiest place would be landfill with a back hidden nonmonitored entrance or set of woods with a lake or 2 in it. If her body was held somewhere else for a short period while figuring out where to put it for final resting, then wouldn't that have left a scent?

Also, wanted to let you know an iPhone is different from any other phone. The only way to get to its sim, memory & battery is to use a special tool to open it. You can smash it with a sledge hammer & bust all the glass, possibly do some damage with frying the inside wiring, but that stuff could be retrievable by switching stuff out. In this instance the safest way for the perp to get rid of the evidence was to throw it into water or mud. Whomever did this knew what they were doing.

I get what you're saying but I'd rather not share all of my theories on the phone at this time. Just one observation: Mom and Dad were subpoenaed and the phone shows up what the next day or same day after LE previously spent endless days searching for it? Something doesn't add up there...

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I get what you're saying but I'd rather not share all of my theories on the phone at this time. Just one observation: Mom and Dad were subpoenaed and the phone shows up what the next day or same day after LE previously spent endless days searching for it? Something doesn't add up there...

Sorry, went for a bike ride bc hubby surprised me with a day off...yayyy! I hear ya. Ok, first is that subpoena public record yet? If Michelle's cell was found the next day or right after that, I wonder if le subpoenaed them to get their cell & landline records. If they did that, then it may make sense. Since Michelle's phone powered down & stopped pinging in a certain area & in a certain time frame, & if le suspects Dale (which they do), & also if they suspect he called his parents around the time of Michelle's disappearance, then maybe they were thinking of a triple ping triangulation to narrow down the dumping field. Second, it makes me wonder if le suspects accomplices.