FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

[Skully]

I don't know much about child support so maybe someone can answer this question:

1. How is the amount determined?

2. And if Michelle gave up the kids, would she have to pay child support to her ex husband and Dale? I have heard that both parents pay support now. How does that work?

3. If Michelle shared custody with both fathers, would she have to pay if she had them less time? Or do they pay because she has them more time?

TIA

 

[telemag]

I don't know much about child support so maybe someone can answer this question:

1. How is the amount determined?

It's just a scale based on your income

2. And if Michelle gave up the kids, would she have to pay child support to her ex husband and Dale? I have heard that both parents pay support now. How does that work?

If she actually gave up custody then she wouldn't have to pay as she would not have any rights to the children.

3. If Michelle shared custody with both fathers, would she have to pay if she had them less time? Or do they pay because she has them more time?

A friend of mine shares custody and neither of them pay, but this could be different for each case.

See bold

 

[Skully]

Some thing else that bothers me is the phone should have been the first thing to get rid of, if you are trying to hid your tracks. So we have this ping at 4:26 and text on Hoffner, I am assuming that the phone and the hummer are together, traveling West, in the direction the hummer was found. But the person abandons the hummer, yet takes the risk of keeping the phone until 8:08 and it is toss East of where the car is found heading over Neval bridge maybe. The woman see the car at around 10:30 so the car could have been there before 8:08 maybe as early as 5:15 or 5:30 pm that day, if the person continued from Hoffner to the Mall. So why would you risk hanging onto that phone? I wonder if they can tell if information was downloaded from that phone to another phone? I am just thinking again and you know where that leads, LOL.

 

[Skully]

If Michelle didn't give up rights but let them live with the father and had visitation, wouldn't she have to pay, like the father does now?

 

[Thor]

Some thing else that bothers me is the phone should have been the first thing to get rid of, if you are trying to hid your tracks. So we have this ping at 4:26 and text on Hoffner, I am assuming that the phone and the hummer are together, traveling West, in the direction the hummer was found. But the person abandons the hummer, yet takes the risk of keeping the phone until 8:08 and it is toss East of where the car is found heading over Neval bridge maybe. The woman see the car at around 10:30 so the car could have been there before 8:08 maybe as early as 5:15 or 5:30 pm that day, if the person continued from Hoffner to the Mall. So why would you risk hanging onto that phone? I wonder if they can tell if information was downloaded from that phone to another phone? I am just thinking again and you know where that leads, LOL.

Yes, why would the perp keep the phone and worse yet keep it on until 8:08pm assuming MP was abducted earlier. Phones are evidence a perp does not need around unless he/she intends to make use of it for some reason that escapes me at the moment, more significantly mobile phones, especially smart ones such as the iPhone, can be triangulated by the cell towers to determine geographical location as well as having their own native capability to do the same by their internal location services which work in conjunction with the phone's internet connection.

 

[Thor]

Some thing else that bothers me is the phone should have been the first thing to get rid of, if you are trying to hid your tracks. So we have this ping at 4:26 and text on Hoffner, I am assuming that the phone and the hummer are together, traveling West, in the direction the hummer was found. But the person abandons the hummer, yet takes the risk of keeping the phone until 8:08 and it is toss East of where the car is found heading over Neval bridge maybe. The woman see the car at around 10:30 so the car could have been there before 8:08 maybe as early as 5:15 or 5:30 pm that day, if the person continued from Hoffner to the Mall. So why would you risk hanging onto that phone? I wonder if they can tell if information was downloaded from that phone to another phone? I am just thinking again and you know where that leads, LOL.

Also some theories here have it that DS (of course) kept the phone on in order to delay alarm about MP disappearance, however the police would not be involved in a search just because a person does not answer a phone for a few hours, usually it takes up to 2 days for them to begin considering a missing person scenario and in any case a few hours into the abduction is not nearly enough time for a perp to start fearing barking search dogs in the distance and police helicopters overhead. IMO

 

[katydid23]

I think DS kept the phone for awhile so he could read through her messages and look at all of her pictures. He was a very controlling and jealous guy. He was savoring his evil victory, imo.

 

[Thor]

Also some theories here have it that DS (of course) kept the phone on in order to delay alarm about MP disappearance, however the police would not be involved in a search just because a person does not answer a phone for a few hours, usually it takes up to 2 days for them to begin considering a missing person scenario and in any case a few hours into the abduction is not nearly enough time for a perp to start fearing barking search dogs in the distance and police helicopters overhead. IMO

Also, other theories here have it that because efforts have been made to cover evidence and that even because the perp went to the bother to hide the body is somehow evidence that it was not a random abduction, however while it is true that many bodies are simply dumped by the side of the road, so to speak, a cool, methodical and level-headed perp has all the reason in the world to hide the body. Bodies are usually critical in solving a case, they may very well determine cause of death, time of death, method of death to name a few, not to mention they may provide key forensic evidence, such as DNA, which no perp can ever be sure 100% not to have left behind. IMO

 

[Thor]

I think DS kept the phone for awhile so he could read through her messages and look at all of her pictures. He was a very controlling and jealous guy. He was savoring his evil victory, imo.

IMO That would have been very silly for DS to have done under these circumstances, and one must decide whether DS is a bumbling idiot to go wasting valuable and crucial time into the abduction by looking a pictures and message in MP phone in one hand or a cool headed and methodical perp on the other that leaves no evidence behind his crime, for the two cannot reasonably go together IMO

Addendum: also while it is true that the phone's circuitry becomes irrevocably compromised when immersed in water, the HD info are often recovered, and with that all kinds of evidence such as what was read and what was seen and when.

 

[katydid23]

IMO That would have been very silly for DS to have done under these circumstances, and one must decide whether DS is a bumbling idiot to go wasting valuable and crucial time into the abduction by looking a pictures and message in MP phone in one hand or a cool headed and methodical perp on the other that leaves no evidence behind his crime, for the two cannot reasonably go together IMO

Of course it was silly, and so is murdering one's ex, and yet people do it all of the time.

And it is quite possible to be cool headed and methodical, and still decide to keep the cell long enough to look through it. Maybe he was looking for a patsy to pin it on. Maybe he needed some info to use in his staging of the crime scene. Lots of possibilities, imo.

I think it makes much more sense that Dale would have kept it longer, than it would that a random abductor would have kept it longer, imo.

 

[Thor]

Of course it was silly, and so is murdering one's ex, and yet people do it all of the time.

And it is quite possible to be cool headed and methodical, and still decide to keep the cell long enough to look through it. Maybe he was looking for a patsy to pin it on. Maybe he needed some info to use in his staging of the crime scene. Lots of possibilities, imo.

I think it makes much more sense that Dale would have kept it longer, than it would that a random abductor would have kept it longer, imo.

While it is true that the phone's circuitry may become irrevocably compromised when immersed in water, the HD info are almost always recoverable, and with that all kinds of evidence such as what was read and what was seen and most importantly when. Not to mention that messages and pictures read from a server can be easily traced and one would have to assume the Ds is ignorant of all of that.

 

[katydid23]

While it is true that the phone's circuitry may become irrevocably compromised when immersed in water, the HD info are almost always recoverable, and with that all kinds of evidence such as what was read and what was seen and most importantly when.

TRUE. And after LE was able to look at exactly what was read and seen by the perp, they have maintained their claims that Dale is the sole and prime suspect in this case. What does that tell you?

 

[Thor]

TRUE. And after LE was able to look at exactly what was read and seen by the perp, they have maintained their claims that Dale is the sole and prime suspect in this case. What does that tell you?

IMO It does tell me just that, they suspect him and we can all easily infer that since they have not charged him with any crime even after 6 months into the investigation that they have not enough evidence against him, if any at all and that is the reasonable part, than comes IMO the unreasonable part where one decides for reasons entirely of their own that either not enough evidence or none at all implies guilt and that is what I cannot wrap my head around first because I don;t understand the reasons, since one can have a spirited discussion about what we know of the case without referring to Dale's guilt all the time as the posts above might indicate, and second and most importantly because I can't understand the need. IMO

 

[katydid23]

IMO It does tell me just that, they suspect him and we can all easily infer that since they have not charged him with any crime even after 6 months into the investigation that they have not enough evidence against him, if any at all and that is the reasonable part, than comes IMO the unreasonable part where one decides for reasons entirely of their own that either not enough evidence or none at all implies guilt and that is what I cannot wrap my head around first because I don;t understand the reasons and second and most importantly because I can't understand the need. IMO

They don't have her body yet. Without her body, they are not going to charge him, yet. I think it is as simple as that.

 

[Thor]

They don't have her body yet. Without her body, they are not going to charge him, yet. I think it is as simple as that.

I agree they probably are not going to charge him or others with the crime without a body, yes. Let's hope they find Michelle.

 

[Skully]

IMO That would have been very silly for DS to have done under these circumstances, and one must decide whether DS is a bumbling idiot to go wasting valuable and crucial time into the abduction by looking a pictures and message in MP phone in one hand or a cool headed and methodical perp on the other that leaves no evidence behind his crime, for the two cannot reasonably go together IMO

Addendum: also while it is true that the phone's circuitry becomes irrevocably compromised when immersed in water, the HD info are often recovered, and with that all kinds of evidence such as what was read and what was seen and when.

So if you wanted to make it look like you got kidnapped in theory and decided to toss the phone in a place LE could retrieve it, they would know if the HD had been copied to another phone HD?

 

[Skully]

If I was so short on time and wanted to get as much distance between me and the evidence and the body; I wouldn't have driven around disposing stuff in all different places. It takes the risk up too high of getting spotted and seen by people and captured on video cameras. There are so many lakes around that area, I can see the someone just putting the body, cell all of her stuff, in the hummer and dumping it into a lake. Sink and done. Now you don't have to worry about DNA even if the hummer is retrieved from a lake.

 

[katydid23]

If I was so short on time and wanted to get as much distance between me and the evidence and the body; I wouldn't have driven around disposing stuff in all different places. It takes the risk up too high of getting spotted and seen by people and captured on video cameras. There are so many lakes around that area, I can see the someone just putting the body, cell all of her stuff, in the hummer and dumping it into a lake. Sink and done. Now you don't have to worry about DNA even if the hummer is retrieved from a lake.

What if there were more than one person doing the disposing of the loose ends? Maybe that is why things were 'in all different directions'?

 

[Skully]

What if there were more than one person doing the disposing of the loose ends? Maybe that is why things were 'in all different directions'?

Yes, that is one reason, but LE has only named Dale as a POI or Suspect, so I am just thinking if he was doing this alone, why is there all these trips and risks taken. If he had someone help you would expect to see things scattered.

If he had someone help him, well he could be at Sr home by 4:30 and seen by a neighbor. If that is the case, then you still have to prove WHO actually killed Michelle and if the helper took the hummer and the cell and the body, well I think they would have to look at that person as the POI.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, that is one reason, but LE has only named Dale as a POI or Suspect, so I am just thinking if he was doing this alone, why is there all these trips and risks taken. If he had someone help you would expect to see things scattered.

They have only named him, but they have taken actions that seemed to indicate they suspect Dale Sr as well. They gave polygraphs to Dale senior, and they raided his home, with SWAT involvement. And they arrested him for other charges. So I think their actions show that they believe Daddy might be involved as an accomplice, imo.