FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

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  • #221
Right on...Agree 100%! But after Dale is arrested and charged then we can hear more conspiracy theories and learn who framed Dale (still the stalker at the bar?) and who planted the evidence (the cops who framed OJ?)...

Dale has been lucky that the one piece of evidence he hid has not been found...He is worried though IMO otherwise we wouldn't see him reading here daily or having others do his dirty work...pattern there too? ALL JMO

I completely agree, Jazzmaster. He must be very worried at this point. I would be! And if it were me, I'd be on here day and night not only out of curiosity but also to see if someone is getting close to what really happened. MOO

And yes, it is JMO also that he reads here. JMO, MOO, IMO. If he doesn't, then I'm fairly certain others who are in close contact with him do. Again, JMO, MOO, IMO.

Good post! :)
 
  • #222
Quick question...

Since Dale owns a condo in a multi unit complex, I assume he has designated parking spaces at his unit. Additional guest parking would be in a whole designated overflow area. So, assuming this makes me wonder how many parking spaces he's allotted and if they were being utilized on the day/evening of Michelle's disappearance. Dale had his work van and also a truck - so there's 2 spaces that would be used, right? Or no? We're there any other vehicles? Did he have company?
 
  • #223
Kamille, I tend to agree with you regarding the poly, but I also don't have a criminal past therefore changing the whole dynamic. IMO its a catch-22 in Dale's situation.
 
  • #224
I completely agree, Jazzmaster. He must be very worried at this point. I would be! And if it were me, I'd be on here day and night not only out of curiosity but also to see if someone is getting close to what really happened. MOO

And yes, it is JMO also that he reads here. JMO, MOO, IMO. If he doesn't, then I'm fairly certain others who are in close contact with him do. Again, JMO, MOO, IMO.

Good post! :)

During Caylee's disappearance, many posters commented on the Anthony's & the defense team reading here. Tricia came on & very graciously informed everyone that anybody has a right to post here, that all opinions are welcome, everybody including the suspect has the same equal rights...and that it's what this site is for to have good communication, respect for one another, & intelligent investigation with what has been released to us all. I keep that in the back of my mind whenever I post.
 
  • #225
Quick question...

Since Dale owns a condo in a multi unit complex, I assume he has designated parking spaces at his unit. Additional guest parking would be in a whole designated overflow area. So, assuming this makes me wonder how many parking spaces he's allotted and if they were being utilized on the day/evening of Michelle's disappearance. Dale had his work van and also a truck - so there's 2 spaces that would be used, right? Or no? We're there any other vehicles? Did he have company?

It appears that his units have either a single car garage or a 2 car garage. In front of the garage is enough driveway space for 1 or 2 cars as well. Given that Dale was living by himself, I would guess that he had a single car garage and some driveway space for another car. His guests would have parked around the side of the building for easy access to his condo from a rear door, which is where she parked that day. You can even see a white sedan parked in exactly that area on Google street view.
 
  • #226
Surely the poster is capable of clarifying his or her own thoughts?

I'll ask again:

Jazzmaster: How do you know Dale reads here daily, and what do you mean by "having others do his dirty work"? TIA!

If you re-read my post you will see the WHOLE post was my opinion...I believe based on certain events I have seen on this board that either Dale and/or friends/family, etc are monitoring this board. Otherwise when we mention info it would not disappear within hours of being mentioned on this site.

Just TWO of MANY examples:

1. Dale had "liked" Radical Ray Rejection Window Tinting on FB. It was mentioned here and then he "unliked" the page within hours.

2. On a past thread, we mentioned Dale Sr's fascination with the Powell case months before Michelle went missing and then his FB acct suddenly gets deleted within hours.

I could go on and on but it's clear IMO he and or others are CLOSELY watching this site...I know others will explain he's "protecting his image" etc but IMO if he wanted to really protect his image he would think more before he acts (pushing cameramen, dishonorable discharge from military, violent arrests, drug and alcohol problems, domestic abuse, suing people on PC and looking like an idiot). Again just a few examples in a LONNNNG list of BAD choices... JMO but innocent people don't need to carefully "monitor' a sleuthing site as they have nothing to hide. Dale has PLENTY to hide!
 
  • #227
Kamille, I tend to agree with you regarding the poly, but I also don't have a criminal past therefore changing the whole dynamic. IMO its a catch-22 in Dale's situation.

His previous record would have no bearing on the results unless perhaps he's harboring a guilty conscience from past acts of violence against Michelle IMO. Even then it probably still wouldn't affect the results. And even if he failed miserably, the result would have been the same as not taking it at all and he would have been named a suspect. He knows exactly why he was asked to take it.

Either way, he did not have to take the lie detector but rather ask to have his lawyer present for all future questioning. He didn't do that either. He cut off all communication with LE in the investigation to locate his children's mother. Because he likely doesn't have innocent, truthful answers to LE's questions.

MOO
 
  • #228
I wonder if the phone was tossed before the H3 was parked. Either that, or the phone was in another vehicle when tossed over the Nela. Otherwise police would have a trace to the vicinity where her H3 was parked based on the cell's internal gps activity. I was of the mindset that maybe the perp accidentally noticed the cell left behind & tossed it when it became noticed, but if that's the case then le would know where the phone was beforehand and followed the trail, therefore finding the cell sooner. Man I just confused myself.

Also, just bc the cell was tossed in the water doesn't mean it died right away.

A cell phone will short out as soon as it is submerged in water. LE should have a full history, including pings, other texts, etc from he phone by now. If she had a mac at home, it would have been able to synch as well as store things on Mac's cloud services. Would love to know what the early morning text was in reference to.
 
  • #229
Jmo, there's a real difference in discussing our opinions on the why's and wherefores of the fact that he refused the LDT and "pretending" that he took one and failed, which would add nothing to this case because it is not the truth and might even be a violation of TOS. Jmo, moo, IMO.

Sorry, my last post on the subject because it adds nothing to the discussion either. Jmo, moo. If you have questions, tho, it's always best to ask a mod whether something like that can be discussed.

Thanks.

Thanks, I do not have any questions though for the mods. If I broke a rule I'm sure they will correct me.
 
  • #230
There's been a lot of discussion about lie detector tests and their reliability and whether someone should take one. The tests themselves are not admissible in court and the whole idea of them, in my opinion, is to gauge a person's reaction to just being asked to take one. It’s an investigative tool that is used to help get to the truth early on in an investigation if possible. If LE have proof that there have been inconsistencies in a witness statement and then that witness cannot or will not work with them to figure out why those inconsistencies are coming to light then that is a huge red flag to them. So when they ask someone to take a lie detector test, they are initially gauging the person's reaction to the fact that LE finds them less than truthful. And pretty much giving them the chance to “come clean” and explain what may have happened.

The actual results may or may not be used to further the case, and as we are all aware are not completely reliable, pass or fail, but the initial reaction of the witness to the suggestion helps with the investigation IMO. Common sense, once again, would indicate that an innocent person would be doing everything they can to clear their name and would jump at the chance to take a lie detector to help do so. Common sense also tells us that when someone decides right then and there to stop co-operating when confronted with inconsistencies in their story, refuses to take a lie detector and gets a lawyer to shield them from any further interrogation, then they must have something to hide. And just because they have a lawyer is no reason to stop co-operating. They have every right to continue to work with LE with their lawyer right by their side if they feel that LE is unfairly pointing fingers at them. DSJr did not do this. And MN is a very qualified lawyer and would have been more than willing to do this if DSJr had wanted to work to clear his name. The lawyer works for you and a good one would encourage their client to work and speak with LE if their client were shouting his innocence from the rooftops. From what I understand, DSJr lost his job due to being named a suspect. And I'm sure his life is not easy at the moment, financially, emotionally and socially, because of the popular public opinion that he's responsible for the disappearance and most likely death of Michelle. Why would a good lawyer want to put their client through that unnecessarily? Why would someone think it’s a good idea to put themselves through that unnecessarily?


LE are not usually so fortunate to have a crime on videotape, therefore basically solving itself. Nor do they usually have a direct witness or witnesses to a crime, who are not involved, come forward to tell them what happened, unless the crime was committed in a very public place. And even then they would still have to collect evidence to corroborate that witness testimony. So that is when the real police work begins and evidence has to be collected slowly and methodically. Most of it will be circumstantial because most perpetrators try to cover their crimes and some are quite good at it, especially now with the new crime shows on television and the high profile cases that are played out in the media and on the internet. Cases are tried on circumstantial evidence alone when the evidence puts together a logical picture of what likely occurred. Sometimes there are missing pieces to that logical picture and therefore the most likely suspect is not arrested until those pieces are found. Sometimes it takes months or years, and sometimes it never happens. But in the meantime that person is, and will always be, the prime suspect in the disappearance and likely murder of a missing individual. Not something I'd want hanging over my head just because I decided to be stubborn and stop co-operating with LE. But something that I'd have no choice about I suppose if I was guilty and could not explain away the evidence they had against me.

MOO

Like I said in a previous post I have direct experience with a friend of mine who took two lie detector tests. One thru LE and another thru his lawyer who was an ex prosecuting attorney. The first one thru LE was in conclusive and the second thru his lawyer he passed. The ex PA told me and my friend that these tests can be worded in such a way to get what ever result they want and this is coming from a guy who used to be a state prosecuting attorney who obviously did whatever possible to put criminals away. I'm friends with many lawyers and I'm sure I don't have to tell you this but I will anyway, none of them like to lose.
 
  • #231
It appears that his units have either a single car garage or a 2 car garage. In front of the garage is enough driveway space for 1 or 2 cars as well. Given that Dale was living by himself, I would guess that he had a single car garage and some driveway space for another car. His guests would have parked around the side of the building for easy access to his condo from a rear door, which is where she parked that day. You can even see a white sedan parked in exactly that area on Google street view.


BBM

In these many threads there are photos of his condo. He has a 2 car garage. I'm not sure it has ever been determined where she parked that day and where his guests would park when they visit. Do you have a link as to where she parked on the day she went missing? And regarding the door, I thought it was a front door and not a rear, as we have seen many pictures and there seems to be only one door. TIA


jmo
 
  • #232
Like I said in a previous post I have direct experience with a friend of mine who took two lie detector tests. One thru LE and another thru his lawyer who was an ex prosecuting attorney. The first one thru LE was in conclusive and the second thru his lawyer he passed. The ex PA told me and my friend that these tests can be worded in such a way to get what ever result they want and this is coming from a guy who used to be a state prosecuting attorney who obviously did whatever possible to put criminals away. I'm friends with many lawyers and I'm sure I don't have to tell you this but I will anyway, none of them like to lose.

So your friend was trying to prove his/her innocence? The results mean nothing anyway so your friend did the right thing in trying to prove innocence then? That's what most innocent people do, work with LE to get themselves cleared and allow the investigation to move forward to finding the correct perp. It's just basic human nature. Unless of course you're guilty. Then things seem to go a little differently.

I'm sure your lawyer friends can tell you that the results of a lie detector do not make someone a suspect. Now lying to police, having a shady criminal history and then failing, or refusing to take one, when all present evidence points to you...well that can make you a suspect.

MOO
 
  • #233
Right now our focus is on the "magician"who created this circus because he made Michelle disappear. <modsnip> Though he may treat the truth like a joke....the reality is in one selfish moment he altered the course of MANY MANY lives. YS and BP who lost their daughter and hardly ever see the grand kids. "A"who dearly misses his younger brother and sister. The three children who grow up without one of the most important people in their life...their mom! All the friends and family who ache with pain and never had a chance to say goodbye but seek answers....Of couse Michelle whose life was most likely ended at a time when she was needed the most by her children!

I could go on and on about the incrediblly negative impact Dale's actions caused. But to some it don't matter. Let's take the focus off of Dale because he couldn't have done it or we have no proof he did it...MOO this is a disservice to Michelle because IMO she lost her life to a man she once loved, who fathered two of her children, who despite him beating and stranding her on several occasions tried to keep it together for the twinners. He threatened to kill her. He threatened to kidnap the children. He abused and abused and she still loved him despite ALL of his shortcomings. But her greatest mistake was that she underestimated him for just a moment. She knew he was a poisonous snake...deadly with just one bite...but she let her guard down for a second and paid the price on his promise to kill her. How fragile life can be! For many life will never be the same because of the selfish evil acts of Dale the "magician"...This is all JMO!
MOO

I think it'd be useful at this very point to alert the casual reader that DS has not be proven, not even by the flimsiest of evidence, to have killed MP, at that not even LE has alleged that.
 
  • #234
BBM

In these many threads there are photos of his condo. He has a 2 car garage. I'm not sure it has ever been determined where she parked that day and where his guests would park when they visit. Do you have a link as to where she parked on the day she went missing? And regarding the door, I thought it was a front door and not a rear, as we have seen many pictures and there seems to be only one door. TIA


jmo

You are right about it being a two car garage. I found a picture of his floor plan and it show an entrance on the side and back, with the only front entrance being through the garage. I will try to find a link to the description of where she parked, but I believe a lot of the discussion and a prior interview of Michelle's sister indicated that she would park on the side (facing the wrong way) and then continue to drive around the circle when leaving.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #17

It kinda makes sense as since his apartment was closest to the corner the fastest way into his apartment would be from the side unless you actually came in through the garage.

Welcome and Thank You.
 
  • #235
You are right about it being a two car garage. I found a picture of his floor plan and it show an entrance on the side and back, with the only front entrance being through the garage. I will try to find a link to the description of where she parked, but I believe a lot of the discussion and a prior interview of Michelle's sister indicated that she would park on the side (facing the wrong way) and then continue to drive around the circle when leaving.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #17

It kinda makes sense as since his apartment was closest to the corner the fastest way into his apartment would be from the side unless you actually came in through the garage.

Welcome and Thank You.

Thank you! That makes sense. A front, then glass sliding doors? on the back to the patio and a entrance to the garage.
 
  • #236
I think it'd be useful at this very point to alert the casual reader that DS has not be proven, not even by the flimsiest of evidence, to have killed MP, at that not even LE has alleged that.

I think it would also be useful to point out that there are no other named suspects or POI's in this case and that LE has exhausted all other scenarios to come to one and only one PRIME SUSPECT in the disappearance of Michelle Parker. There may be other unnamed POI's but there is only one PRIME SUSPECT. His name is Dale Wayne Smith Jr and he is the last known person to see Michelle alive. There is absolutely no evidence that she was ever seen alive again after arriving at his condominium at 3:18pm on November 17, 2011.

Just the facts for the casual reader. ;)

MOO
 
  • #237
I think it'd be useful at this very point to alert the casual reader that DS has not be proven, not even by the flimsiest of evidence, to have killed MP, at that not even LE has alleged that.

The cliff notes version is Dale threatened to kill Michelle, kidnap her children, abused her and other women in the past, he had child support and custody issues with Michelle, was involved in at least one murder prior, was dishonorably discharged from our military for possessing drugs and beating his then wife, was the last known person to see Michelle as she dropped off the children, and told LE she arrived at 4:00 and left 10 mins later rather than what actually happened...her vehicle arrived at 3:18 and Michelle was never seen or heard from again. There was a mysterious text that cannot be authenticated as Michelle but Conviently supports the PRIME suspect's statement that she "went shopping". Even though her family was told she was going home for a nap after dropping off her children. No other known persons were told about her shopping... Though we do not know of any physical evidence it is highly likely there is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence...possibly enough for a conviction IMO.
 
  • #238
So your friend was trying to prove his/her innocence? The results mean nothing anyway so your friend did the right thing in trying to prove innocence then? That's what most innocent people do, work with LE to get themselves cleared and allow the investigation to move forward to finding the correct perp. It's just basic human nature. Unless of course you're guilty. Then things seem to go a little differently.

I'm sure your lawyer friends can tell you that the results of a lie detector do not make someone a suspect. Now lying to police, having a shady criminal history and then failing, or refusing to take one, when all present evidence points to you...well that can make you a suspect.

MOO

My friend voluntarily took the test because he knew he was innocent, but the test came back inconclusive. As far as I'm concerned I think that LE had the test come back that way on purpose because they wanted to pin other charges on him. His lawyer gave him one and he passed so when they showed the results to LE, LE said well maybe he was nervous when he took ours so who knows. Bottom line is lie detector tests are IMO a small step above mood rings.
 
  • #239
I think it would also be useful to point out that there are no other named suspects or POI's in this case and that LE has exhausted all other scenarios to come to one and only one PRIME SUSPECT in the disappearance of Michelle Parker. There may be other unnamed POI's but there is only one PRIME SUSPECT. His name is Dale Wayne Smith Jr and he is the last known person to see Michelle alive. There is absolutely no evidence that she was ever seen alive again after arriving at his condominium at 3:18pm on November 17, 2011.

Just the facts for the casual reader. ;)

MOO

And there is absolutely no evidence the Dale had anything to do with Michelle's disappearance, that is unless you believe LE has been sitting on evidence for months for no reason.
 
  • #240
Jmo, LE doesn't name a person Prime Suspect without good reason. I believe LE is holding back much evidence for the time being. They said they just need one more piece of the puzzle, iirc. Jmo but if they did't have very good evidence they'd have named Dale merely a Person Of Interest. Instead, they named Dale Prime Suspect and he remains Prime Suspect.
 
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