FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

[Thor]

In my opinion, the fact that the Hummer was recorded on video leaving the condo complex WITHOUT THE GLOW STICKER indicates that Michelle lost control of her life, iPhone and Hummer in that complex.

I agree that this would be a relevant piece of evidence, and would cause me to re-evaluate some ideas I have formed in the past, however I am not sure that it is the case here. I was under the impression that there is no video recordings of the hummer leaving Dale's with or without stickers. Please let me know if I'm wrong here.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Speaking strictly for myself I think it's a mistake having theories chasing a single suspect, however guilty one might feel he/she is. I think it's much more pertinent to look at a map and try to figure out where Michelle might be (as you have done on occasions) following the train of thoughts of any perp, within known circumstances and under established facts.

I agree it is MUCH more fruitful to use maps to find Michelle but in order to find her IMO you HAVE to follow the suspect. Without a suspect you are shooting in the dark. Given your parameters do you have any places in mind?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

BBM

There has been nothing stated to indicate that the 4:26pm text was definitely in the Hoffner area. It has been speculated on based on YS comments but we can not say as fact that it was there.

MOO

Thanks Kamille! I thought it was the OPD.

 

[Thor]

Thanks Thor but IMO unless and until other evidence is released by the authorities implicating someone else, we cannot sleuth anyone but the Prime Suspect. Looking at other suspects is a job for LE, not us.

And yes, those of us who have joined in searches have tried to pinpoint exactly where Michelle might be from the facts given us.

As always, JMO.

IMO one does not need to name a particular suspect in order to try to imagine possible locations for an abduction or for the occultation of a cadaver.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I agree that this would be a relevant piece of evidence, and would cause me to re-evaluate some ideas I have formed in the past, however I am not sure that it is the case here. I was under the impression that there is no video recordings of the hummer leaving Dale's with or without stickers. Please let me know if I'm wrong here.

Well we know MSM retracted a video of a hummer leaving...why? We have a neighbor saying they saw the hummer leaving without the glow sticker. Though we have no definitive proof released via MSM... there are some clues...for ex LE has not asked for public assistance in finding witnesses that might have seen the vehicle after arriving at Dale's. IMO it is NOT unreasonable to believe LE MOST likely has SOMETHING to know when and how Michelle's vehicle left Carter Glen. JMO

 

[Jazzmaster]

IMO one does not need to name a particular suspect in order to try to imagine possible locations for an abduction or for the occultation of a cadaver.

Such as?

 

[What'sThatClue]

IMO one does not need to name a particular suspect in order to try to imagine possible locations for an abduction or for the occultation of a cadaver.

No, but as Jazz stated, it helps to follow the Prime Suspect.

So, based on trying to imagine possible locations, where do you think searchers should look for Michelle?

 

[Jazzmaster]

IMO one does not need to name a particular suspect in order to try to imagine possible locations for an abduction or for the occultation of a cadaver.

Do you think the Glow decals were removed while in Carter Glen or removed somewhere else? TIA

 

[Jersey*Girl]

But she does not have any choice but to remain in contact with the father of her children. She did what she could by trying to bring him into court for the assaults, but it was apparently dismissed by the courts. So what can she do about it after that? You cannot just walk away from the father of your kids even if he is being abusive.

I'm biased. I grew up in a house where my mother was abused, far worse than in this thread, & she stayed bc she had cancer & divorce wasn't an option back then (actually it could have been but religiously not a good idea). I endured pure hell - that is a first hand perspective as a child that grew up in such a situation. Once my mother died, I became rebellious, depressed - that was when I was 9. 12 I started running away. From a first hand perspective, and learning the laws in court, both parents are responsible.

I definitely see what you're saying, as it's hard to do so, but it's also the responsibility to one's children based on love & protection that should drive a parent to just walk away in such a situation. I do understand it can't be an easy thing to do. It sucks.

The way I read the reports was that bc Michelle moved back, no protection order or order to stay away was granted. Instead, it was dismissed.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Do you think the Glow decals were removed while in Carter Glen or removed somewhere else? TIA

I'm not Thor but I personally think the decals were removed somewhere else, otherwise he'd have been arrested by now.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Jazz, let's go back to the beginning for just a second. Dale's work van was outside, right...not inside of the garage when Michelle arrived? Where was his truck?

What's the make, model & year of his truck?

Michelle's H3?

What are the combined dimensions including side mirrors and walking room if placed inside of the garage? What are the dimensions of his 2-car garage?

 

[Kamille]

Thanks Kamille! I thought it was the OPD.

The OPD would only state that it was NOT in the Waterford Lakes area at the time of the 4:26pm ping that said "Waterford". Nor was the phone ever in the Waterford Lakes area that day/evening after 3:18pm. They did not go on to indicate exactly where the 4:26pm ping originated from. YS did mention that the phone was pinging in the Hoffner area so it was speculated that she might have been referring to the 4:26pm ping.

MOO

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Well we know MSM retracted a video of a hummer leaving...why? We have a neighbor saying they saw the hummer leaving without the glow sticker. Though we have no definitive proof released via MSM... there are some clues...for ex LE has not asked for public assistance in finding witnesses that might have seen the vehicle after arriving at Dale's. IMO it is NOT unreasonable to believe LE MOST likely has SOMETHING to know when and how Michelle's vehicle left Carter Glen. JMO

The reporter stated that hummer definitely wasn't Michelle's & the video was pulled right away. From what I remember it looked similar but ended up actually being different & also belongs to somebody that lives in Dale's neighborhood.

 

[katydid23]

I'm biased. I grew up in a house where my mother was abused, far worse than in this thread, & she stayed bc she had cancer & divorce wasn't an option back then (actually it could have been but religiously not a good idea). I endured pure hell - that is a first hand perspective as a child that grew up in such a situation. Once my mother died, I became rebellious, depressed - that was when I was 9. 12 I started running away. From a first hand perspective, and learning the laws in court, both parents are responsible.

I definitely see what you're saying, as it's hard to do so, but it's also the responsibility to one's children based on love & protection that should drive a parent to just walk away in such a situation. I do understand it can't be an easy thing to do. It sucks.

The way I read the reports was that bc Michelle moved back, no protection order or order to stay away was granted. Instead, it was dismissed.

I am so sorry that you had to endure that as a child. That is very sad. I can see where you are coming from. But as you said, your mothers abuse was worse than what Michelle had been putting up with.

She was a young single mom with three kids, so I think she was trying hard to make things work with the twins father. In hindsight, that was a bad idea. but it probably seemed like a good idea at the time.

She was never going to be totally rid of him, because he had legal access to his kids. So perhaps she thought that trying to be friendly was better than trying to be enemies.

 

[Thor]

No, but as Jazz stated, it helps to follow the Prime Suspect.

So, based on trying to imagine possible locations, where do you think searchers should look for Michelle?

I think it'd be worthwhile to imagine different points on the map where one might speculate different destinations for the H3 after leaving Dale's, together with possible stops along those routes. It would then consist of several exercises in drawing different lines and pinpoint possible locations within those lines that might give opportunity for an abduction. Finally, from each pinpointed locations one can draw a radius within which Michelle could be found. One does not need to have a particular suspect to do that although, admittedly, it is not an easy job to do.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I'm biased. I grew up in a house where my mother was abused, far worse than in this thread, & she stayed bc she had cancer & divorce wasn't an option back then (actually it could have been but religiously not a good idea). I endured pure hell - that is a first hand perspective as a child that grew up in such a situation. Once my mother died, I became rebellious, depressed - that was when I was 9. 12 I started running away. From a first hand perspective, and learning the laws in court, both parents are responsible.

I definitely see what you're saying, as it's hard to do so, but it's also the responsibility to one's children based on love & protection that should drive a parent to just walk away in such a situation. I do understand it can't be an easy thing to do. It sucks.

The way I read the reports was that bc Michelle moved back, no protection order or order to stay away was granted. Instead, it was dismissed.

Yes I don't get how Dale got women to forgive him...he has a horrible record when it comes to physically and mentally abusing, degrading, and threatening to kill women, yet he is able to smooth things over. I wonder how MUCH fear played into this. Sometimes it's easier to keep your enemy close? I think of that old movie Sleeping with the Enemy. We have two women (Shannon and Michelle) who didn't get FAR enough away from the Smiths and BOTH are no longer with us!

 

[What'sThatClue]

I think it'd be worthwhile to imagine different points on the map where one might speculate different destinations for the H3 after leaving Dale's, together with possible stops along those routes. It would then consist of several exercises in drawing different lines and pinpoint possible locations within those lines that might give opportunity for an abduction. Finally, from each pinpointed locations one can draw a radius where Michelle could be found. One does not need to have a particular suspect to do that although, admittedly, it is not an easy job to do.

JMO, we've done all that and more. Plus, maps are listed on the first page of each thread.

And again, JMO, LE would not have named DSjr Prime Suspect if they'd thought Michelle had been abducted elsewhere.

As always, JMO.

 

[Kamille]

IMO one does not need to name a particular suspect in order to try to imagine possible locations for an abduction or for the occultation of a cadaver.

Seriously? The possibilities are endless. If LE cannot determine a suspect based on the last known sighting or based on other crimes in the area, find video or witnesses who have seen the person after their last known sighting, find evidence of items that the person had with them or find anything in their computer or phone to indicate behaviour unknown to the people around them, then there would be no searches, other than directly in the vicinity of the last known sighting and that would be the end of the police work on the case.

LE are not in the habit of randomly searching anywhere and everywhere for missing adults. But when they have a suspect with a known criminal history, and a known volatile history with the victim, as the last known person to see them, and he lies to them about the events of the day, well then that would be a good place to start don't you think?

MOO

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Yes I don't get how Dale got women to forgive him...he has a horrible record when it comes to physically and mentally abusing, degrading, and threatening to kill women, yet he is able to smooth things over. I wonder how MUCH fear played into this. Sometimes it's easier to keep your enemy close? I think of that old movie Sleeping with the Enemy. We have two women (Shannon and Michelle) who didn't get FAR enough away from the Smiths and BOTH are no longer with us!

Why would fear play a part, though? If Michelle was fearful of Dale she wouldn't have cheated on him during the time he cheated on her. Why not use that excuse to break it off instead of going out with somebody else? I think they were just in a really bad habit of one-upping one another. It's a shame they didn't end it sooner. With what A told the powers to be that he witnessed firsthand abuse, I can only imagine the pain & confusion he felt by holding it in all these years. If he'd have told his father, I suspect he'd have fought for him. Kids think in ridiculous circles bc they're indebted to their parents. For years I blamed my father for my mom's death bc there was no heat & she got pneumonia, couldn't fight it bc of her cancer, so she died. I blamed my dad for no heat. Deeper though is how I felt about myself. I blamed myself for keeping things "secret" instead of speaking up. I felt that if I'd have spoken up then we wouldn't have lived with my dad, my mom wouldn't have gotten pneumonia, & she'd have been able to survive bc cancer was finally able to be put into remission a year after my mom died. Warped, I know, but children are protective of their mother/father. So I'm hoping beyond all hope that her son isn't blaming himself for not speaking up sooner bc it isn't his fault...not at all. I stated all this to show a different perspective. This is like the third time I've gotten personal & 3's a charm, so I'll leave it at that. :blowkiss: My honest opinion is there is no excuse good enough for not walking the first time. I have the old philosophy - first time shame on you, second time shame on me...but to think of 9ths 10ths 15ths 20ths sickens me.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I agree that this would be a relevant piece of evidence, and would cause me to re-evaluate some ideas I have formed in the past, however I am not sure that it is the case here. I was under the impression that there is no video recordings of the hummer leaving Dale's with or without stickers. Please let me know if I'm wrong here.

The video that was released of the Hummer without the GLOW decals was in fact not Michelle's H3. It was pulled right after it aired & explained in full. It was the news station's fault for the confusion as they were trying to be first with that breaking news so they didn't investigate the authenticity of the claim before going to air. It's in these threads, I believe either late November or early December. I'm sorry I forget the exact date. It was a neighbor's Hummer.