FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #22

[What'sThatClue]

IIRC, the woods where Caylee was buried was identified as a spot where Casey and her family buried deceased pets... I don't recall it being said she and her friends hung out there, although that's possible. This was not a big stretch of woods either, it was just off a dead end street and close to a school.

It was Kio who stated that she and Casey used to hang out there as kids.

http://www.examiner.com/article/site-where-caylee-anthony-s-remains-were-found-is-up-for-sale

http://www.[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977540252

(Kio), Casey Anthony's childhood friend, also told police to investigate the same wooded area near Hidden Oaks Elementary School a month before the meter reader, according to CNN affiliate WFTV.

In an interview with detectives, according to WFTV, (Kio) said that she and Anthony "pretty much used to hang out there most of our time," would "snack on food for hours" and went there to "get away from our parents."

LOL, sometimes my memory works!

Anyway, JMO, this is one reason it's important to investigate childhood/teen/young adult hang outs of the PS and his friends. Sometimes familiar territory to the PS is more comfortable and more likely, since he know the area terrain and how secluded it is, how many people are around at given times of the day, and how likely the area would be undisturbed ground, at least for a time.

 

[Thor]

Seriously? Blaming the LE? They have kept Michelle's case at the top of their pile despite the fact that over 9 months has gone by? IMHO, LE has gone above and beyond the call of duty and should be commended for their fine detective work. Why hasn't Dale done more is the REAL question... He made her disappear and he needs to step up and admit what he did to her and stop being SUCH a coward. He should be providing the answers that Michelle's family deserves...THAT would solve this case immediately!

Jazz, addressing only the issue of the police, IMO it is not a matter of accusing anyone, let alone LE, it is a matter that the real world is not divided by bad guys that always do the wrong things and good guys that always do the right things. That is a black and white view of things I do not share. The police needs to be accountable for their work, as a teacher would be, as construction worker would be, as a doctor would be and so on... as I would sit and lecture, give tests, grade papers and ultimately give final grades it should not come as a surprise to me if I'm asked to justify any of it, because in the same way I would hold others accountable for their action I should also be accountable for mine and that is not a matter of right or wrong, just or unjust, but a matter of accountability from which no one should be exempt from. JMO

 

[Jazzmaster]

Jazz, addressing only the issue of the police, IMO it is not a matter of accusing anyone, let alone LE, it is a matter that the real world is not divided by bad guys that always do the wrong things and good guys that always do the right things. That is a black and white view of things I do not share. The police needs to be accountable for their work, as a teacher would be, as construction worker would be, as a doctor would be and so on... as I would sit and lecture, give tests, grade papers and ultimately give final grades it should not come as a surprise to me if I'm asked to justify any of it, because in the same way I would hold others accountable for their action I should also be accountable for mine and that is not a matter of right or wrong, just or unjust, but a matter of accountability from which no one should be exempt from. JMO

IMO your analogy doesn't hold water...it is comparing apples and oranges...LE has no obligation to provide the status or any updates in an ongoing criminal investigation UNTIL it deems appropriate. It is preposterous to expect that they owe us anything. They are paid professionals who have been working night and day to wrap this up. To comment on their performance at this stage is premature. Once Dale is arrested and we see what they have gathered then and only then can we truly evaluate their thoroughness or lack thereof....so far I'd give them an A for effort...

As for your good guys and bad guys? I am not following you...yes evil men can do good deeds and good guys can do evil deeds. What's your point? I know "if" you search LONG and HARD you MAY find some good qualities about Dale but that is a BIG "if"... JMO

 

[Pias]

To ask what LE is doing is not the question. But to answer it, we have recently read on the family's fb page for Michelle that LE is looking at her case on a daily basis and her case is still a top priority, and the last media report said their prime suspect has never changed.

Perhaps the better question is, What we the PEOPLE can do? Each of us. As we sit in our own State at our computers.

Do you really want to help bring Michelle home?

Sign the petition to get the choice put in front of the American people to vote and decide if we want to put an end to this type of madness and just get the answers we seek.

Please, educate yourself to why satellite technology IS the way of the future in crime fighting.

Do not judge why it will not work before learning the facts.

Learn what technology IS out there already. Learn how it is being used and how those techniques are far more invasive than Satellite.

Learn how the information would be handled and what would be provided and how the process would work.

Signing the petition doesn't put the technology to work for us. All it does is allow America to decide if it is right for us as a whole.

Majority rules, but only when it is given the choice. We deserve to make that choice. Help us to help America to have a voice and a choice.

Educate yourself. Sign it, and share it.

Pass it on. It's a good thing!

http://www.change.org/petitions/we-...sting-military-technology-we-the-people-speak

 

[Thor]

IMO your analogy doesn't hold water...it is comparing apples and oranges...LE has no obligation to provide the status or any updates in an ongoing criminal investigation UNTIL it deems appropriate. It is preposterous to expect that they owe us anything. They are paid professionals who have been working night and day to wrap this up. To comment on their performance at this stage is premature. Once Dale is arrested and we see what they have gathered then and only then can we truly evaluate their thoroughness or lack thereof....so far I'd give them an A for effort...

As for your good guys and bad guys? I am not following you...yes evil men can do good deeds and good guys can do evil deeds. What's your point? I know "if" you search LONG and HARD you MAY find some good qualities about Dale but that is a BIG "if"... JMO

Oh yes, the police are in fact accountable, and you are right that they don't owe an explanation to the public at any given time, but eventually they do most certainly. That is why I asked of when and not of if. Is it a year? Is it 2 years? When? And that is my right to ask because Michelle could be my daughter, could be anyone I love or care for, because my interests lie as well in evaluating their competency, methods, efforts, and overall performance as they're paid to do a job just like everybody else. That is not a matter of accusing, criticizing, or otherwise complaining for its own sake, but again, a matter of accountability and there is no escaping the fact that everyone should at some point account for their own actions no matter what. JMO

 

[Kamille]

Oh yes, the police are in fact accountable, and you are right that they don't owe an explanation to the public at any given time, but eventually they do most certainly. That is why I asked of when and not of if. Is it a year? Is it 2 years? When? And that is my right to ask because Michelle could be my daughter, could be anyone I love or care for, because my interests lie as well in evaluating their competency, methods, efforts, and overall performance as they're paid to do a job just like everybody else. That is not a matter of accusing, criticizing, or otherwise complaining for its own sake, but again, a matter of accountability and there is no escaping the fact that everyone should at some point account for their own actions no matter what. JMO

Do you have any examples where LE has been held accountable to anyone, public, family, government officials? to disclose the findings of an investigation where there hasn't been an arrest and trial? I am confused by what you are suggesting. :waitasec:

MOO

 

[Jazzmaster]

Oh yes, the police are in fact accountable, and you are right that they don't owe an explanation to the public at any given time, but eventually they do most certainly. That is why I asked of when and not of if. Is it a year? Is it 2 years? When? And that is my right to ask because Michelle could be my daughter, could be anyone I love or care for, because my interests lie as well in evaluating their competency, methods, efforts, and overall performance as they're paid to do a job just like everybody else. That is not a matter of accusing, criticizing, or otherwise complaining for its own sake, but again, as matter of accountability and there is no escaping the fact that everyone should at some point account for their own actions no matter what. JMO

Yes I agree there is accountability but to assign a time limit? That doesn't make sense to me. Each case is different so a time limit is inappropriate...there is no standard protocol that I am aware of as it relates to a criminal investigation... they all differ according to the facts and circumstances...ultimately LE has it within its discretion to release details to the public as it sees fit. It will release non public info to family members at times but above all else its first priority is protecting the integrity of what it has gathered. It will only release SUCH details when required by law to do so...until then I think it is SMART to keep the suspect and his defense team on edge wondering what LE has gathered...

 

[What'sThatClue]

See Part V, starting on page 35, part A, for information FL law regarding records/evidence release in an active criminal investigation.

http://www.myflsunshine.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/KGRG-8FNP26/$file/2011LEGuide.pdf

 

[Thor]

Yes I agree there is accountability but to assign a time limit? That doesn't make sense to me. Each case is different so a time limit is inappropriate...there is no standard protocol that I am aware of as it relates to a criminal investigation... they all differ according to the facts and circumstances...ultimately LE has it within its discretion to release details to the public as it sees fit. It will release non public info to family members at times but above all else its first priority is protecting the integrity of what it has gathered. It will only release SUCH details when required by law to do so...until then I think it is SMART to keep the suspect and his defense team on edge wondering what LE has gathered...

Jazz, I did not assign a time limit (as you put it) but there is one nevertheless, and IMO LE needs to explain what they're doing at least in a general way just about now and possibly yesterday. Not that it is unheard of the police giving the public a sense of the investigation progress, and certainly there is no rule book that demands LE to explain anything at any given time, but to me 10 Months, no crime scene, no body, and no arrest makes it reasonable to ask questions of the police, especially when I am of the opinion that it is very likely they have nothing of consequence in this investigation and when I am inclined to believe that DS is a statistical suspect but not one based on direct evidence of which there are none that we know of with that being a fact and not an opinion. Also I find it strange that 10 months into a disappearance nobody is asking questions other then whether Dale did it or not, and that is again only my opinion although I suspect of others as well. In any case my question was and still is, assuming nothing of relevance happens in this case, when would be the time that the police states or is asked and then answers, what is the actual status of the investigation? Are there any leads? Is something been explored as an alternative to what has been done so far? and I could go on and I'm certain that if this was about the disappearance of some "big shot" the press would be ferociously demanding answers and action. Obviously I'm not talking about the disclosure of sensitive information, but it seems to me well overdue the time where "we consider DS to be the prime suspect" and "we have little evidence and limited info" to just not be enough to not question the progress or lack thereof of this investigation. With the all thing being my opinion unless otherwise noted.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Jazz, I did not assign a time limit (as you put it) but there is one nevertheless, and IMO LE needs to explain what they're doing at least in a general way just about now and possibly yesterday. Not that it is unheard of the police giving the public a sense of the investigation progress, and certainly there is no rule book that demands LE to explain anything at any given time, but to me 10 Months, no crime scene, no body, and no arrest makes it reasonable to ask questions of the police, especially when I am of the opinion that it is very likely they have nothing of consequence in this investigation and when I am inclined to believe that DS is a statistical suspect but not one based on direct evidence of which there are none that we know of with that being a fact and not an opinion. Also I find it strange that 10 months into a disappearance nobody is asking questions other then whether Dale did it or not, and that is again only my opinion although I suspect of others as well. In any case my question was and still is, assuming nothing of relevance happens in this case, when would be the time that the police states or is asked and then answers, what is the actual status of the investigation? Are there any leads? Is something been explored as an alternative to what has been done so far? and I could go on. Obviously I'm not talking about the disclosure of sensitive information, but it seems to me well overdue the time where "we consider DS to be the prime suspect" and "we have little evidence and limited info" to just not be enough to not question the progress or lack thereof of this investigation. With the all thing being my opinion unless otherwise noted.

Well when you have a GUILTY party such as Dale...it takes TIME to bolster your case and prepare this for presentation to the DA. Sometimes it can take years for all the evidence to come together to a point where a trial makes sense. Why the rush? Wouldn't you rather have all the i's dotted and t's crossed before the prosecution steps forward.

Justice takes time and with Michelle most likely deceased the focus is most likely on:

1. finding Michelle's remains and
2. prosecuting the person responsible (DALE)...

While both are equally important...MURDER cases have sometimes taken years, even decades BEFORE they were solved but they get solved nonetheless...My thoughts are this case will be wrapped up relatively soon. The silence is a good thing IMO...playing tricks with Dale's mind (what's left of it). I hear meth messes up your brains... All JMO

 

[Thor]

Well when you have a GUILTY party such as Dale...it takes TIME to bolster your case and prepare this for presentation to the DA. Sometimes it can take years for all the evidence to come together to a point where a trial makes sense. Why the rush? Wouldn't you rather have all the i's dotted and t's crossed before the prosecution steps forward.

Justice takes time and with Michelle most likely deceased the focus is most likely on:

1. finding Michelle's remains and
2. prosecuting the person responsible (DALE)...

While both are equally important...MURDER cases have sometimes taken years, even decades BEFORE they were solved but they get solved nonetheless...My thoughts are this case will be wrapped up relatively soon. The silence is a good thing IMO...playing tricks with Dale's mind (what's left of it). I hear meth messes up your brains... All JMO

Jazz, why must be the case that everything must be turned into a Dale is guilty thing. Sincerely I really don't care if he's guilty, somebody must be anyway, and if he is I hope they arrest him, convict him and throw away the key, but we were not talking about DS in this instance, and you answered a post of mine about lack of disclosure of the status of the investigation on the part of the police. Insofar that everything must be turned into a "I know Dale is guilty" "Dale is going to be arrested tomorrow, the next day or soon anyway" and "The police is doing everything great" that is the reason anyone who does not have a particular inclination to making those broad statements gets tired of getting involved and I have had a lot of PM to that effect if hon3yb33 post is not an example of just that, and I'm basically the last one standing although I don't know for how long since there is both no sense in arguing with certainties and very little conversational excitement in concentrating in one thing and one thing only most of the time. And don't get me wrong here, I do love arguing with you and I both respect and value your opinion but there seems to be no way to change the subject of DS being guilty or not if only for a very little while. JMO

 

[Kamille]

Just wanted to get some opinions on the fact that the reply to the text that Dustin sent Michelle at 4:26pm asking her where she was and is now known as the "Waterford text", was sent and received within that same one minute.

So with cell reception issues since they were not in the same area presumably, possible lag time due to cell reception, someone coming up with a bogus location in reply, and a phone that would likely not be in the hands of someone driving a vehicle, how does one respond that quickly so as to get the message back in less than a minute?

 

[Kamille]

Jazz, I did not assign a time limit (as you put it) but there is one nevertheless, and IMO LE needs to explain what they're doing at least in a general way just about now and possibly yesterday. Not that it is unheard of the police giving the public a sense of the investigation progress, and certainly there is no rule book that demands LE to explain anything at any given time, but to me 10 Months, no crime scene, no body, and no arrest makes it reasonable to ask questions of the police, especially when I am of the opinion that it is very likely they have nothing of consequence in this investigation and when I am inclined to believe that DS is a statistical suspect but not one based on direct evidence of which there are none that we know of with that being a fact and not an opinion. Also I find it strange that 10 months into a disappearance nobody is asking questions other then whether Dale did it or not, and that is again only my opinion although I suspect of others as well. In any case my question was and still is, assuming nothing of relevance happens in this case, when would be the time that the police states or is asked and then answers, what is the actual status of the investigation? Are there any leads? Is something been explored as an alternative to what has been done so far? and I could go on and I'm certain that if this was about the disappearance of some "big shot" the press would be ferociously demanding answers and action. Obviously I'm not talking about the disclosure of sensitive information, but it seems to me well overdue the time where "we consider DS to be the prime suspect" and "we have little evidence and limited info" to just not be enough to not question the progress or lack thereof of this investigation. With the all thing being my opinion unless otherwise noted.

Who would you suggest be the someone asking LE the questions? Surely you're not saying that internet posters should be questioning LE about investigations?

MOO

 

[Thor]

Just wanted to get some opinions on the fact that the reply to the text that Dustin sent Michelle at 4:26pm asking her where she was and is now known as the "Waterford text", was sent and received within that same one minute.

So with cell reception issues since they were not in the same area presumably, possible lag time due to cell reception, someone coming up with a bogus location in reply, and a phone that would likely not be in the hands of someone driving a vehicle, how does one respond that quickly so as to get the message back in less than a minute?

That is an excellent point, I never thought of that. Perhaps more then one perp? The perp was not driving at the time? The perp was at a red light? Was Michelle driving but being commandeered at gun point? Is there any doubt the Waterford text was not Michelle's as it seems obvious to me? And so many other question that observation raises. I'm inclined to think the perp is driving but it is at red light or stops momentarily to answer the text since he feels important to do so, because it is relevant to what he's going to do next, because he needs time and he doesn't feel secure of complete anonymity, because he's afraid that his van or similar vehicle will be spotted by someone that knows it and is out there looking for Michelle?

 

[FrayedKnot]

I guess Michelle is lost again on here. Really sad.

(((hugs))) Sorry, Sparky. How are you holding up?

I hope LE is close to finally arresting the perp and his co-conspirators.

 

[Thor]

Who would you suggest be the someone asking LE the questions? Surely you're not saying that internet posters should be questioning LE about investigations?

MOO

I think the press should and I'm not holding my breath for it since they're only interested in sensationalism. Just imagine if this was some big shot and 10 months, no body is found and no arrest have come to pass, what do you think the press would do? Wouldn't they be camping in front of the police building demanding at least some answers? I think so and with good reasons would be my opinion.

 

[Kamille]

Regarding the "your day is coming" statement made to Michelle by DSJr, that comment was indicated as part of the complaint when Michelle filed for the restraining order. He said it and it obviously worried her. I know they've had lots of fights but why this time did she feel the need to file? Another example of a judge who doesn't really fully understand the implications of domestic violence and the peril that so many women are in because of it. So IMO, this is two judges, or at least judgements, that failed Michelle and her children. Wonder if it was the same guy? :waitasec:

And I'd imagine that because she did not get that restraining order, she had no other choice than to drop the children off with their father as the court records seem to indicate some type of paternity claim by him which must have led to support and visitation priviledges.

I'm sure Michelle would have found herself in some type of legal trouble had she refused to allow DSJr access to the children. And she obviously wasn't as efficient at taking people to court to work out her problems. She tried once and failed so I'm sure she resigned herself to the fact that she was going to have to go it alone without any help from the court system. Not to mention how DSJr would likely have been even more livid with her for doing so.

Which may have turned out to be the worst thing she could have decided to do. It doesn't escape me that this happened while DSJr was living in a home that he likely bought for them as a family, which has depreciated considerably and is more of a liability than an asset. Or that he was required to pay another $800 per month to Michelle for support. Or that he had recently been awarded only $2500 for a ring that was likely worth more than the maximum $5000 that is allowed on PC. Or that Michelle had been dating a man whom "she couldn't stop talking about" for the past month while driving the Hummer that was in his name.

With the past history and the financial and emotional situation prior to and including that day, there is more than enough to consider motive here.

Now just because LE have not arrested him nor have they informed the public as to why they have not, that is no reason to believe that they have "nothing" on the person they named the prime suspect. They believe they know who is responsible but obviously at this time the DA does not believe they will get a conviction based on the "limited" evidence that they do have.

Doesn't mean that DSJr should get a free pass and that no one should ever say a disparaging word about why they may think he's responsible...especially on a discussion board where the title still says Michelle Parker and she is listed in a missing forum. Because as it stands right now, Dale Smith Jr is the one and only prime suspect in the disappearance of Michelle Parker.

MOO

 

[Jazzmaster]

Jazz, why must be the case that everything must be turned into a Dale is guilty thing. Sincerely I really don't care if he's guilty, somebody must be anyway, and if he is I hope they arrest him, convict him and throw away the key, but we were not talking about DS in this instance, and you answered a post of mine about lack of disclosure of the status of the investigation on the part of the police. Insofar that everything must be turned into a "I know Dale is guilty" "Dale is going to be arrested tomorrow, the next day or soon anyway" and "The police is doing everything great" that is the reason anyone who does not have a particular inclination to making those broad statements gets tired of getting involved and I have had a lot of PM to that effect if hon3yb33 post is not an example of just that, and I'm basically the last one standing although I don't know for how long since there is both no sense in arguing with certainties and very little conversational excitement in concentrating in one thing and one thing only most of the time. And don't get me wrong here, I do love arguing with you and I both respect and value your opinion but there seems to be no way to change the subject of DS being guilty or not if only for a very little while. JMO

I have yet to hear your "alternative" theory as you promised...thus we have nowhere else to focus our attention on...but two things:

1. Bringing Michelle home

2. Sleuthing Dale in hopes of getting justice for Michelle's friends and family. make him pay for his crimes!

A + B = C

A: Michelle is missing
B: Dale is the Prime Suspect in her disappearance
C: Finding Michelle

The formula to me...seems "simple like that"... To find Michelle, by focusing on Dale's guilt and his activities, you find clues that could lead to her whereabouts... I feel we are going around and around on this...Not sure how else to explain it. JMO

 

[Kamille]

I think the press should and I'm not holding my breath for it since they're only interested in sensationalism. Just imagine if this was some big shot and 10 months, no body is found and no arrest have come to pass, what do you think the press would do? Wouldn't they be camping in front of the police building demanding at least some answers? I think so and with good reasons would be my opinion.

Well Thor when you've been around these boards as long as I and many other posters have, you will notice that there are many, many missing men, women and children who are never mentioned in the press once the initial search phase is over. It's just the nature of the beast I suppose. There is always a new story to cover.

But that doesn't mean that each and every one of them isn't important and that they don't all deserve a resolution to their cases. But LE just do not routinely give out updates on the thousands of still pending cases that they deal with.

MOO

 

[Pias]

Cuz the time corresponds to the time he thinks people think Michelle should have been getting home? So when a call comes in asking where she was, the perp is thinking at it from his I'm in the middle of a crime point of view instead of a random call by her brother needing a ride... and translates the 'where are you' from his perspective of thinking they are wondering why she is not home? So he's buying himself that bit of time it would have had took Michelle to get home from there? So he needed a few more minutes? How long does it take to get from Waterford to Guy Ct?