FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #22

[What'sThatClue]

I would be extremely surprised if it turns out that any foul play happened at the condo, whatever happens to Michelle happens after she leaves the condo, although here I'm not dealing with any certainties, and that is an understatement.

So...no rage (even though he has a history of violence) and no premeditation. And something happens to Michelle after she leaves the condo...but why was she never seen again after leaving the condo? I'm baffled because LE seems to feel there is no other POI than Dale, which tells me they don't believe there was a strange abduction.

Me, I'm still thinking rage but willing to give premeditation (and possibly help) a whirl too.


All JMO unless I have provided a link...

 

[Jazzmaster]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thor
The phone was tossed early on in the abduction, I don't think there is much doubt about that IMO, Sr & rest of family are not even POIs.

I, for one, hope you are right Cuz that would just spell trouble if you follow me which is questionable, I know

Well the Smith clan is like an all-star team of criminals so I cannot rule out how many within Dale's immediate family and in-laws etc could have knowingly or unknowingly participated in the commission of the crimes. My bet is that some other than Dale also have information that could wrap this case up but have chosen self preservation over doing what is right....Dale may even have clean hands and let someone else do the dirty work...family or a certain close friend that helps out when Jr needs to erase people. JMO

 

[Pias]

Well the Smith clan is like an all-star team of criminals so I cannot rule out how many within Dale's immediate family and in-laws etc could have knowingly or unknowingly participated in the commission of the crimes. My bet is that some other than Dale also have information that could wrap this case up but have chosen self preservation over doing what is right....Dale may even have clean hands and let someone else do the dirty work...family or a certain close friend that helps out when Jr needs to erase people. JMO

Potentially valid insight.

 

[Thor]

Who knows, you just might be on to something there, Thor.

May be ... consider the cell, the decals and the Hummer ... three pieces of the puzzle that IMO are of crucial importance, although I would bet not in the way some here would like to believe, and you would find one single thread which I think is of considerable importance ...

 

[Thor]

So...no rage (even though he has a history of violence) and no premeditation. And something happens to Michelle after she leaves the condo...but why was she never seen again after leaving the condo? I'm baffled because LE seems to feel there is no other POI than Dale, which tells me they don't believe there was a strange abduction.

Me, I'm still thinking rage but willing to give premeditation (and possibly help) a whirl too.


All JMO unless I have provided a link...

LE has no other POI which is quantitatively and qualitatively different then "they feel" "they know" "they think" "they're sure" and most importantly "there is".

 

[Jazzmaster]

May be ... consider the cell, the decals and the Hummer ... three pieces of the puzzle that IMO are of crucial importance, although I would bet not in the way some here would like to believe, and you would find one single thread which I think is of considerable importance ...

Well now would be as good of a time as any to introduce your alternative theory. I can easily construct several scenarios implicating Dale based on known activity and released info. Can you devise any that clear Dale and implicate someone else...just wondering. TIA

 

[Jazzmaster]

LE has no other POI which is quantitatively and qualitatively different then "they feel" "the know" "they think" "they're sure" and most importantly "there is".

With dozens of experts and LE weighing in on the case, reasonable logic would dictate that if the consensus was they were unsure who committed the crime they would be seeking public assistance and acknowledge that they are considering other suspects (even if an exact one was unknown). This is clearly not the case as LE has maintained considerably STRONG language that Dale is the ONLY one they are focused on. This isn't we think or feel IMO it is we know who did it with absolute precision but NEED certain things in place before DA is comfortable prosecuting the case. I could give a prediction here on when Dale will be arrested...but I would rather him feel comfortable that he will get away with it. Love the element of surprise JMO

 

[Thor]

Well now would be as good of a time as any to introduce your alternative theory. I can easily construct several scenarios implicating Dale based on known activity and released info. Can you devise any that clear Dale and implicate someone else...just wondering. TIA

LOL, I can't do it now ... later I hope, may be next week ... but definitely in the next few days ... , however let's not attach to this any particular significance, everybody has an opinion and they are free of charge ... but you are as gracious as always in always being interested in what I have to say.

 

[What'sThatClue]

LOL, I can't do it now ... later I hope, may be next week ... but definitely in the next few days ... , however let's not attach to this any particular significance, everybody has an opinion and they are free of charge ... but you are as gracious as always in always being interested in what I have to say.

Awwww....I'll forget about it by then. So, be sure to remind us, okay? TIA

 

[Jazzmaster]

LOL, I can't do it now ... later I hope, may be next week ... but definitely in the next few days ... , however let's not attach to this any particular significance, everybody has an opinion and they are free of charge ... but you are as gracious as always in always being interested in what I have to say.

Well I certainly understand how difficult it is to figure out a way someone other than Dale could have pulled this off given all the facts we have before us...IMO there are only 2 possibilities: Dale did it or someone framed Dale...who had it out for Dale? Maybe that one armed bar bandit is back...JK

 

[Pias]

Well I certainly understand how difficult it is to figure out a way someone other than Dale could have pulled this off given all the facts we have before us...IMO there are only 2 possibilities: Dale did it or someone framed Dale...who had it out for Dale? Maybe that one armed bar bandit is back...JK

I could open that to a third, and perhaps more likely, possibility but for now, as it stands, that will remain to be seen it seems

 

[Thor]

With dozens of experts and LE weighing in on the case, reasonable logic would dictate that if the consensus was they were unsure who committed the crime they would be seeking public assistance and acknowledge that they are considering other suspects (even if an exact one was unknown). This is clearly not the case as LE has maintained considerably STRONG language that Dale is the ONLY one they are focused on. This isn't we think or feel IMO it is we know who did it with absolute precision but NEED certain things in place before DA is comfortable prosecuting the case. I could give a prediction here on when Dale will be arrested...but I would rather him feel comfortable that he will get away with it. Love the element of surprise JMO

What LE thinks, strongly or otherwise does not make DS any more guilty or innocent. My sense and their own factual statements is that they have no evidence to speak of and everything seems to be consistent with that for obvious reason. That is not to say that I'm happy about this sad state of affairs, it is only to say that I can evaluate only what I know in making sense of this issue while at the same time hope that whomever is responsible is in fact apprehended, whether that person be DS or not. IMO

 

[Thor]

Well I certainly understand how difficult it is to figure out a way someone other than Dale could have pulled this off given all the facts we have before us...IMO there are only 2 possibilities: Dale did it or someone framed Dale...who had it out for Dale? Maybe that one armed bar bandit is back...JK

If the point of view is that one needs to prove one's own innocence, and if not, one's guilty by default, then I would certainly agree with your observation. JMO

 

[What'sThatClue]

What LE thinks, strongly or otherwise does not make DS any more guilty or innocent. My sense and their own factual statements is that they have no evidence to speak of and everything seems to be consistent with that for obvious reason. That is not to say that I'm happy about this sad state of affairs, it is only to say that I can evaluate only what I know in making sense of this issue while at the same time hope that whomever is responsible is in fact apprehended, whether that person be DS or not. IMO

But where has LE stated they have no evidence to speak of? I'm not aware of any such statement. The sad thing is, we don't know what evidence they have (or don't have, as the case may be). So Dale remains the Prime Suspect...for what reason? They must have a reason, they can't just name any ol' soul as Prime Suspect. And since he's the Prime Suspect, he's the only one we can sleuth....we can theorize other scenarios but the fact is we have even less to go on with that than we do with Dale being Prime Suspect.



All JMO unless I've provided a link...

 

[Jazzmaster]

What LE thinks, strongly or otherwise does not make DS any more guilty or innocent. My sense and their own factual statements is that they have no evidence to speak of and everything seems to be consistent with that for obvious reason. That is not to say that I'm happy about this sad state of affairs, it is only to say that I can evaluate only what I know in making sense of this issue while at the same time hope that whomever is responsible is in fact apprehended, whether that person be DS or not. IMO

In the elements of time...a HIGH profile case such as this cannot be rushed as the outcomes are usually not favorable for justice. It is like a fine and delicate wine. All the variables must be perfect.

In the pursuit of justice I would rather remain diligent, patient, steadfast, but determined. If this took an extra year...so be it. Not my first preference but to see Dale get hung for what he did I don't mind waiting a bit longer to get all the pieces in place which BTW I believe are almost all there. Clever is what clever does and Dale certainly is missing quite a few brain cells. Probably from all that boozing and meth he does...He sure can beat up women but he will not get away with murder. Of that I am certain...all jmo

 

[Pias]

What LE thinks, strongly or otherwise does not make DS any more guilty or innocent. My sense and their own factual statements is that they have no evidence to speak of and everything seems to be consistent with that for obvious reason. That is not to say that I'm happy about this sad state of affairs, it is only to say that I can evaluate only what I know in making sense of this issue while at the same time hope that whomever is responsible is in fact apprehended, whether that person be DS or not. IMO

When looking narrowly at this case, one might agree.

Until the sun came up on the other side, one may have once thought they would never see it again.
We now know the sun will be coming up on the other side

 

[Thor]

But where has LE stated they have no evidence to speak of? I'm not aware of any such statement. The sad thing is, we don't know what evidence they have (or don't have, as the case may be). So Dale remains the Prime Suspect...for what reason? They must have a reason, they can't just name any ol' soul as Prime Suspect. And since he's the Prime Suspect, he's the only one we can sleuth....we can theorize other scenarios but the fact is we have even less to go on with that than we do with Dale being Prime Suspect.



All JMO unless I've provided a link...

That is in reference to this statement:

"They're looking for any way to move the case forward," Bailey told WKMG. "... When you have very limited information or limited evidence, it's a very good thing to do..." which you can find here which is the only statement from the police that I'm aware of characterizing any evidence or lack thereof.

Now I can only form an opinion based on what I know that is on the public record where the existence of evidence is the issue. Taken together with every other factors in this matter, especially that to this date DS has not been charged with any crime, then it is only my opinion that LE has no evidence to speak of, however if and when I should become aware that such evidence does exist, especially if presented at trial or at least alleged by the police in a public matter, then I would need to re-evaluate my position on this issue.

 

[What'sThatClue]

LE has no other POI which is quantitatively and qualitatively different then "they feel" "they know" "they think" "they're sure" and most importantly "there is".

Actually, Dale is the Prime Suspect (PS), which is a big difference over a Person of Interest. JMO Now, there were several people supeonaed by police to answer questions who did not voluntarily come in to speak with them when asked. When you're supeonaed by the police to come in and talk, that pretty much makes you a POI. Even if they don't (and they rarely do) announce that they have several POI's, they almost always do. JMO

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/prime-suspects-mother-questioned-police-missing-wo/nFwNG/

 

[Jazzmaster]

That is in reference to this statement:

"They're looking for any way to move the case forward," Bailey told WKMG. "... When you have very limited information or limited evidence, it's a very good thing to do..." which you can find here which is the only statement from the police that I'm aware of characterizing any evidence or lack thereof.

Now I can only form an opinion based on what I know that is on the public record where the existence of evidence is the issue. Taken together with every other factors in this matter, especially that to this date DS has not been charged with any crime, then it is only my opinion that LE has no evidence to speak of, however if and when I should become aware that such evidence does exist, especially if presented at trial or at least alleged by the police in a public matter, then I would need to re-evaluate my position on this issue.

You certainly are entitled to your judgement about the evidence which BTW is irrelevant for any of us unless one of us personally has seen all that has been collected by LE. Since only a select few are privy to such detailed intelligence we are not at liberty to know what is truly going on behind closed doors. The fact that Dale is a free man right now is of little significance in the big scheme of things.

The statue of limitations on murder is indefinite and he could be arrested at any moment making our discussion here a moot point...if we sleuthers can uncover and see the great depth of deception Dale went through, the blatant lies he told, the careless actions he took online, and a host of other damning evidence, I can only imagine the depth of what LE has to continue to be SOLEY focused on one Dale Smith as well as known associates and family members.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Thor do you know if Dale Sr has a septic tank on any of his properties? TIA