FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #22

[Thor]

Thor, Do you think Dale knows who did it?

LOL that was a good one!

 

[Jazzmaster]

Lots of perps hide evidence and this one in particular is particularly adept at that, it has done it before, he lives or has connection to the area, he almost surely drives a van or a truck and he's not about to leave a body by the side of the road where all kinds of evidence can be gathered by LE. Predatory instincts, sexual or otherwise, don't necessary imply carelessness and/or preclude a planning propensity. JMO

Well Dale drove a truck and a van,<modsnip> has a connection to the area, didn't leave the body by the roadside....think we have solved our whodunit...winner winner chicken dinner. Jmo

 

[Jazzmaster]

No, I don't think DS did this, not at all. All points away from DS not toward ... location, circumstances, time lines ... all of it points away. I believe his lawyer when he said that DS is a suspect because he fits the profile and not because of actual evidence. JMO

To state "All points away from DS not toward ... location, circumstances, time lines ... all of it points away" IMO is being disingenuous to the facts and circumstances of the case. Whether one wants to believe Dale was involved or not, there is absolutely unequivocally no way one can rule Dale out based on location, circumstances, nor timelines. Dale was unaccounted for from 3:18 until at least 4:30. Do we have any non family member witness that can verify Dale actually arriving at Rose Blvd at or around 4:30? Once there do we have a non family member witness able to verify Dale was there the entire time Michelle went missing? Based on these unanswered questions alone I do not know how anyone looking objectively at this case could definitively rule Dale out unless a preconceived notion existed that he is innocent no matter what the facts dictate...

 

[Pias]

LOL that was a good one!

Bang on, would you say?

 

[Thor]

Where are the facts in evidence that DSJr was at his parent's at 4:30pm that day?

DSJr himself originally told the family that he left around 4:15pm, just after Michelle. Now somehow that got changed to left "at the same time" as Michelle by his lawyer. And of course the time changed after the surveillance video showed up. Impossible for him to have gotten to his parent's at 4:30pm by his own original timeline.

MOO

Lauren said the time of arrival was related to the family by DS as being 4:00pm and that DS left at 4:15 which is not consistent with the 3:18pm time stamp on the video footage which was verified by the video operator as accurate almost to the minute ... Ds's attorney said he left around the same time as MP. Now there are three possibilities here:

1. DS is incorrect on the timeline (lying?)
2. The family (Lauren) is incorrect on the time in question as related by DS.

3. Everyone or someone is not able to recollect precisely/correctly the various time of day that are MP's arrival and DS & MP departures which is the most natural assumptions here and needs no one to have sinister motives to lye about anything. IMO.

As per the 4:30pm arrival of DS at his parents' I don't think I characterized as "facts in evidence" as you stated and if I did I was surely mistaken there, although simply on a technical level. The 4:30pm arrival is as stated by DS' attorney in relation to existing testimony by DS' family which I have no cause to doubt since it makes no sense that his attorney would misrepresent existing testimony on national TV and especially where such testimony would come from DS' family, in the same way I would have no reason to doubt that testimony exists of Lauren's recollection of DS saying he left the condo at 4:15pm as stated by the family of Michelle.

 

[Thor]

Bang on, would you say?

No, not Bang on at all IMO, but I can appreciate the irony and the wit. Well done.

 

[Jazzmaster]

No, not Bang on at all IMO, but I can appreciate the irony and the wit. Well done.

So it seems you believe Dale didn't kill Michelle but knows who did?

 

[Thor]

To state "All points away from DS not toward ... location, circumstances, time lines ... all of it points away" IMO is being disingenuous to the facts and circumstances of the case. Whether one wants to believe Dale was involved or not, there is absolutely unequivocally no way one can rule Dale out based on location, circumstances, nor timelines. Dale was unaccounted for from 3:18 until at least 4:30. Do we have any non family member witness that can verify Dale actually arriving at Rose Blvd at or around 4:30? Once there do we have a non family member witness able to verify Dale was there the entire time Michelle went missing? Based on these unanswered questions alone I do not know how anyone looking objectively at this case could definitively rule Dale out unless a preconceived notion existed that he is innocent no matter what the facts dictate...

Jazz, I would not rule DS out just yet, I just don't think that based of what we know to this date and absent factual evidence to the contrary, DS could have done this. Just the fact that he would have to have killed MP at the condo, with the children present at the crime scene, is to me surreal or at the very least cannot be the most likely hypothesis. And I know one can imagine more then one scenario where such a thing could be accomplished, (me included) but this is one of those theories one would really need to back up with some solid facts (which there are none), at least at the margins, otherwise to me it would be the equivalent of trying to rearrange you chair on the deck of Titanic in order to get a better view. IMO

 

[Thor]

So it seems you believe Dale didn't kill Michelle but knows who did?

Jazz, I really like you ... :clap:

 

[Jazzmaster]

Jazz, I really like you ... :clap:

Well it is mutual... I really like you too :rocker:

 

[Thor]

Well it is mutual... I really like you too :rocker:

HugFest time :boohoo:

 

[Kamille]

Lauren said the time of arrival was related to the family by DS as being 4:00pm and that DS left at 4:15 which is not consistent with the 3:18pm time stamp on the video footage which was verified by the video operator as accurate almost to the minute ... Ds's attorney said he left around the same time as MP. Now there are three possibilities here:

1. DS is incorrect on the timeline (lying?)
2. The family (Lauren) is incorrect on the time in question as related by DS.

3. Everyone or someone is not able to recollect precisely/correctly the various time of day that are MP's arrival and DS & MP departures which is the most natural assumptions here and needs no one to have sinister motives to lye about anything. IMO.

As per the 4:30pm arrival of DS at his parents' I don't think I characterized as "facts in evidence" as you stated and if I did I was surely mistaken there, although simply on a technical level. The 4:30pm arrival is as stated by DS' attorney in relation to existing testimony by DS' family which I have no cause to doubt since it makes no sense that his attorney would misrepresent existing testimony on national TV and especially where such testimony would come from DS' family, in the same way I would have no reason to doubt that testimony exists of Lauren's recollection of DS saying he left the condo at 4:15pm as stated by the family of Michelle.

Well therein lies the problem you see. The only person who could have cleared up these discrepancies is the prime suspect himself. And he chose not to when asked by LE. Instead he clammed up and got a lawyer. Who rambled on about how his client couldn't have done this in one hour and 12 minutes, therefore disregarding the statement of a family member whose only reason for contacting DSJr was to specifically ask when Michelle was there and when she left. I don't think they would have gotten his answer incorrect when that was the specific reason for the call. So MN just skipped right over the fact that timeline changed when the video was released. A timeline that LE had been working with until that video surfaced.

And as far as parents lying for their children in a criminal investigation? Does the surname Anthony ring a bell? It happens. Way more than it should.

But either way it still doesn't make sense. He either left around 3:30pm or 4:15pm with the two different versions and neither of them put him at his parent's house at 4:30pm if he was to drive straight there. So it seems that his alibi witness(s) is/are also "incorrect" on the time he arrived. That happens sometimes when you're trying to make stuff up on the fly. Things don't fit.

No matter how you look at it, the answer appears to be number 1...DSJr was incorrect on the time because he was lying.

MOO

 

[Pias]

There is little likelihood she was dead at the condo, on that we can agree. There is no evidence to support that she was. I'm not sure why you would think he would have HAD to kill her there, if indeed she died by his hands. Or that he would even have to be the one to do it, for that matter. We really have no idea who was at the condo, for one. One is enough...

 

[Thor]

Well therein lies the problem you see. The only person who could have cleared up these discrepancies is the prime suspect himself. And he chose not to when asked by LE. Instead he clammed up and got a lawyer. Who rambled on about how his client couldn't have done this in one hour and 12 minutes, therefore disregarding the statement of a family member whose only reason for contacting DSJr was to specifically ask when Michelle was there and when she left. I don't think they would have gotten his answer incorrect when that was the specific reason for the call. So MN just skipped right over the fact that timeline changed when the video was released. A timeline that LE had been working with until that video surfaced.

And as far as parents lying for their children in a criminal investigation? Does the surname Anthony ring a bell? It happens. Way more than it should.

But either way it still doesn't make sense. He either left around 3:30pm or 4:15pm with the two different versions and neither of them put him at his parent's house at 4:30pm if he was to drive straight there. So it seems that his alibi witness(s) is/are also "incorrect" on the time he arrived. That happens sometimes when you're trying to make stuff up on the fly. Things don't fit.

No matter how you look at it, the answer appears to be number 1...DSJr was incorrect on the time because he was lying.

MOO

I have lost you here ... why do you say DS is "The only person who could have cleared up these discrepancies"? So, assuming we both have two different recollections of the same event why should I be the only persons who could clear up those discrepancies? And how would I go about changing my recollection to solve such discrepancies? Recollections are not opinions, ideas, statements of facts etc ... they are what you recollect ... what you remember .... yes? And why is it not possible that people don't remember correctly or precisely a time or a place or an event ad so forth?
JMO

 

[Pias]

The time issue is pretty dead. The show had just gotten over. Unless he was drunk or high on drugs, most people wouldn't have been off by that much. Even my dog can tell better time than that and that's no joke. Not buyin it.

 

[katydid23]

the following is only a simplification because of time constraints

Timeline? He was at Sr. around 4:30pm, the kids present , the time of day ... and on and on ...

Cell location in an area made up of hundreds or thousands of houses?
He leaves in the area, MP lives in the area, Sr lives in the area, and so do thousands of others ...

It's a fact that he was the last known person to have seen MP alive, but that is meaningless on its own. All my opinions.

Being at SR's at 4:30, does nothing to prevent him from murdering Michelle. He had plenty of time. And we don't even know if he really was there at 4:30 or how long he stayed. And she might have been tied up in his truck bed anyway/ So that detail does not point away from Dale as the perp, imo.

Nor does ' the kids being present.'
Plenty of people have killed their mates while the kids were in the home. His kids were very young and would have been clueless.

' The time of day" --again, how does the time of day point away from him as the perp? The time of day was important because it was the exact time that she arrived at his condo. That points towards him, imo.

As for the cell location, did you say MP lived in that area?

The bridge that it was thrown from is the one that leads to Seniors. Quite a coincidence. imo

As for him being the last known person to have seen her alive...I don't know why you keep dismissing that fact as if it is meaningless.

That is a very important indicator. If she had driven away the same time as he did, then someone else would have noticed her very noticeable Hummer. And she would have communicated with more people and would have been seen on video somewhere. Once again, that fact does not point AWAY from Dale. imo

 

[Thor]

There is little likelihood she was dead at the condo, on that we can agree. There is no evidence to support that she was. I'm not sure why you would think he would have HAD to kill her there, if indeed she died by his hands. Or that he would even have to be the one to do it, for that matter. We really have no idea who was at the condo, for one. One is enough...

Killed/abducted same thing for the purpose of my post you quoted. But yes, kids are at the crime scene, time of day ... peole coming and going in droves outside, no evidence of foul play, no witnesses, no one hears anything ... no evidence ... nothing. Motive? A verbal fight breaks out? When she is just there to hand over the kids? Not likely, but again no one hears anything. The kids? Asleep? And I can really go on ... so, is it possible? Yes it is, but is it likely? No ... and bordering on the surreal, unless you have at least some evidence to support this theory which I think here would be very much required. JMO.

 

[notmissing]

I have a question about dale's work van seen on the video that shows Michelle arriving that day. Was it there when the police searched the condo? It's been a long time since this has been discussed but I think someone posted a picture of it parked in another location in the complex. Could she have been in the van parked in that other location in his complex while authorities where searching his house? Was his van searched that night or ever searched?
It's late and I'm tired so maybe this has already been discussed but I can't remember the details.

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[Kamille]

I have lost you here ... why do you say DS is "The only person who could have cleared up these discrepancies"? So, assuming we both have two different recollections of the same event why should I be the only persons who could clear up those discrepancies? And how would I go about changing my recollection to solve such discrepancies? Recollections are not opinions, ideas, statements of facts etc ... they are what you recollect ... what you remember .... yes? And why is it not possible that people don't remember correctly or precisely a time or a place or an event ad so forth?
JMO

DSJr was asked by YS I believe about when Michelle dropped off the children at his home within hours of the event actually taking place. And at this point I'd just like to note that YS was unable to get in contact with DS at his parent's home or on his cell phone when she first attempted to contact him. His mother apparently did not know where he was and had to get him to call her back. Now when they finally did make contact, the most important thing that YS had to ask him was when Michelle was there and when she left. So I do not believe there is any room for error in what she was told. The family had already contacted the police. This information was very important to them and they wouldn't have "recollected" that conversation incorrectly.

DSJr made 3 statements to police prior to the video surveillance coming out. When that video came out, the family even stated that the time must be incorrect because they were still working on the assumption that she had arrived at 4pm. So it only stands to reason that DSJr had given that time in his statements to LE as well.

So it is DSJr's recollection of the time that was incorrect. And only he could have given a plausible explanation as to why that may have been. Which apparently he could not. And he obviously also did not explain why it took him an hour to get to his parent's house.

MOO

 

[Thor]

Being at SR's at 4:30, does nothing to prevent him from murdering Michelle. He had plenty of time. And we don't even know if he really was there at 4:30 or how long he stayed. And she might have been tied up in his truck bed anyway/ So that detail does not point away from Dale as the perp, imo.

Nor does ' the kids being present.'
Plenty of people have killed their mates while the kids were in the home. His kids were very young and would have been clueless.

' The time of day" --again, how does the time of day point away from him as the perp? The time of day was important because it was the exact time that she arrived at his condo. That points towards him, imo.

As for the cell location, did you say MP lived in that area?

The bridge that it was thrown from is the one that leads to Seniors. Quite a coincidence. imo

As for him being the last known person to have seen her alive...I don't know why you keep dismissing that fact as if it is meaningless.

That is a very important indicator. If she had driven away the same time as he did, then someone else would have noticed her very noticeable Hummer. And she would have communicated with more people and would have been seen on video somewhere. Once again, that fact does not point AWAY from Dale. imo

Ok my point was that it was not likely not impossible. Also I'm not understanding why somebody would have to have noticed the Hummer, it appears that no one noticed anything, Not MP arriving or leaving, not Ds leaving and what is the significance of it one way or another?. My point was that IMO it is quite surreal imagining foul play at the condo for the reasons already stated in previous posts.