FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #23

[Thor]

Now Thor, you continue to comment that LE has not done enough on Michelle's case. From what I gather, MM has been in contact with the family regularly and LE continues to investigate....The trouble IMO is they botched the case in the early hours of the case and missed the opportunity to find the valuable evidence was needed. Despite what Dale wants us to believe, LE did not thoroughly search Dale's home or vehicles and missed a window of opportunity IMO.

They had Dale on the ropes as he continued lie after lie. The media released some things that IMO jeopardized the case and then Dale like the coward he is hid behind an attorney because IMO he knew his side of the story wasn't holding up.

Now LE is STUCK between a rock and a hard place....they cannot gather any new evidence from the person who made her disappear and that person had hours to destroy and hide evidence....so at this point what else can they do? That evidence is probably buried somewhere. The one person who can tell what happened that day and what he did with Michelle refuses to cooperate in the investigation. Only he and whoever else knows can shed new light on the case and they refuse to come forward.

Without a break in the case, we are left waiting for someone to stumble onto Michelle. LE and most of us know who did this but they cannot gather the necessary evidence to arrest him. Where Dale hid Michelle remains a mystery because he will not tell us what he did and where he hid Michelle. How can LE gather new info without the help of those responsible?

This heartless SOB just continues to inflict more pain on a family dealing with the loss of a wonderful woman....Dale Smith, is a selfish ex-marine who has a violent past, was dishonorably discharged from the marines, and has custody of Michelle's children even though he was and continues to be an unfit father IMO. This guy needs to brought to justice! This is all JMO.

Hi Jazz, I can't engage in yet another "I know that Dale is gulity" type of a discussion, and again I can't participate in a discussion where people are called names both of which are rather pointless from my point of view. Dale is innocent until proven guilty, and the point of my post which you replied to was certainly not about Dale per se as you know.

My point was most importantly about strategies in finding Michelle, which can and should be implemented regardless of Dale and certainly cannot include a confession from him in order to validate all of which you've predicted for years that have failed time and time again to be proven true even in securing an indictment never mind an actual conviction, that is because the world simply doesn't spin that way nor will it suddenly just .... because.

Again, what is the police doing? What is the strategy to find Michelle? What can we do to help? As for the last question, I have written more then once about concrete, tangible and practical ways for us generally and particularly those on the grounds in Fl. to try to make a difference in some new way, and what is astounding to me it's not the fact that people here might agree or disagree with any of it but it's the fact that I didn't get one single, solitary comment on it.

And now one can proceed on letting us know why one "knows" that Dale Smith is guilty. Sorry for the interruption. Perhaps one at some point might come up with something real that has to do with the here and now, although I fear is getting to be a case of "too little too late" if not that already.

JMO

 

[Thor]

Not to mention that LE will not put any evidence into pubic record until a trial. So we have no idea what they have or are working on.

One might not have an idea on what they're working on, but conversely one might have a pretty good idea of the results of it, which begs the question to me of how long a time must pass before one gets to be accountable for one's performance? In the specific case of the police here, at least solely by this thread one can assume it's not 2 years .... so is it 3 years? 4 years? .... 10 years? When is it exactly that one says ... "well I might be wrong about this or that", or is it the case that in the absence of anything having come true in terms of predictions, wishful thinking, personal opinions, strategies and anything that any reasonable individual might classify as having any relationship with that which is actionable and tangible, one at some point might start pondering along new lines of thought that are different to what we believe to be true before for whatever reasons. Or is it the case that we are right and the world simply doesn't know it for a fact and that is the case until such a time that we're proven right or until the end of time ... whichever might come first?

 

[What'sThatClue]

One might not have an idea on what they're working on, but conversely one might have a pretty good idea of the results of it, which begs the question to me of how long a time must pass before one gets to be accountable for one's performance? In the specific case of the police here, at least solely by this thread one can assume it's not 2 years .... so is it 3 years? 4 years? .... 10 years? When is it exactly that one says ... "well I might be wrong about this or that", or is it the case that in the absence of anything having come true in terms of predictions, wishful thinking, personal opinions, strategies and anything that any reasonable individual might classify as having any relationship with that which is actionable and tangible, one at some point might start pondering along new lines of thought that are different to what we believe to be true before for whatever reasons. Or is it the case that we are right and the world simply doesn't know it for a fact and that is the case until such a time that we're proven right or until the end of time ... whichever might come first?

It could be "the end of time" because there is no statute of limitations on murder. No time limit. If evidence is found 10, 20, 30 years from now charges can still be filed.

JMO

 

[Thor]

It could be "the end of time" because there is no statute of limitations on murder. No time limit. If evidence is found 10, 20, 30 years from now charges can still be filed.

JMO

We were talking about demonstrable strategies and accountability, not statute of limitations, specifically where the primary goal is to find a missing person (Michelle) and not to convict a particular person as opposite to another or anyone at all for that matter. Clearly we're talking about two different things here, again I'm personally not interested in the DS is guilty or not guilty thingy, not after two years anyway, and to me, practically speaking, endlessly arguing that very point (guilt) is not primarily about Michelle, but something else altogether, and of that I'm reasonably sure.

Going back to the police angle, this whole thing reminds me of many of my former students, notwithstanding that time and time again they keep on failing their tests, notwithstanding that time and time again they can't manage to achieve an acceptable and recordable performance, they always promise that somehow tomorrow ... sometime in the near future, I'll see this and that because I'm really not aware of that and this, .... I guess the idea behind it is that as long as one can manage to move the goal post one is still in the game and of course that is not the way it works, at least not in the long run, and where those students have the excuse of youth and inexperience on their sides, this is something else altogether, this is life and death, these are professionals (the police) with a specific task, where achieved results are not a matter of opinions or whatever wishful thinking one might choose to engage on, where there are measurable standards of success and failure that can't be overlooked, simplified, spinned whichever way suited or even worse ... excused.

In real life some of my students had to repeat their course, here there are no repeats.

JMO

 

[notmissing]

One might not have an idea on what they're working on, but conversely one might have a pretty good idea of the results of it, which begs the question to me of how long a time must pass before one gets to be accountable for one's performance? In the specific case of the police here, at least solely by this thread one can assume it's not 2 years .... so is it 3 years? 4 years? .... 10 years? When is it exactly that one says ... "well I might be wrong about this or that", or is it the case that in the absence of anything having come true in terms of predictions, wishful thinking, personal opinions, strategies and anything that any reasonable individual might classify as having any relationship with that which is actionable and tangible, one at some point might start pondering along new lines of thought that are different to what we believe to be true before for whatever reasons. Or is it the case that we are right and the world simply doesn't know it for a fact and that is the case until such a time that we're proven right or until the end of time ... whichever might come first?

If this is how you feel then perhaps you should start sending emails or letters to the detectives assigned to the case. Share your thoughts/ideas on what could be done in the future. It's a way for you to make a difference w/o having to participate in discussions about dale's guilt or hobbies like you mentioned earlier.

IMO
I personally think that everyone involved in this case (including family) has done an amazing job thus far trying to find Michelle, protecting the investigation and handling the prime suspect. Dale's day will come and he will be held accountable for what he's done. NGU!!

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[Thor]

If this is how you feel then perhaps you should start sending emails or letters to the detectives assigned to the case. Share your thoughts/ideas on what could be done in the future. It's a way for you to make a difference w/o having to participate in discussions about dale's guilt or hobbies like you mentioned earlier.

IMO
I personally think that everyone involved in this case (including family) has done an amazing job thus far trying to find Michelle, protecting the investigation and handling the prime suspect. Dale's day will come and he will be held accountable for what he's done. NGU!!

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".... If this is how you feel then perhaps you should start sending emails or letters to the detectives assigned to the case. Share your thoughts/ideas on what could be done in the future ...."

I have expressed clear ideas on what can be done on more then one occasion, perhaps you have missed it? Let me cut and paste below here from one such a post and perhaps you might care to comment on them and give us your thoughts.

<Start quote>:

1. Make a true interactive website that incorporates a bb just like this one. People need to participate in real time ... a shared experience ... ideas, comments, messages, discussions, anything else that you might think of.

2. Create several kinds of YouTube videos, trying to arouse different emotions, anger, pity, hope, civic duty, fear, resentment, justice and put faces and locations in them, and yes DS as well, there is a legal way to do it but check with an attorney on how since state and local laws may differ. DS is a public figure and as such there are plenty of leeway where freedom of speech is concerned.

3. Make petitions about anything reasonable, make noises, complain about everything, especially the police, it doesn't need to be fair it needs to be effective. Petition the Mayor, the Chief of Police, the city counsel and anyone you can think of ... again it doesn't have to be fair it needs to be effective.

4. If you can gather enough people demonstrate for action in front of the police station, point fingers, complain, if it happened to Michelle it can happen to anyone, no one is safe, everyone has stake in it ... other females have disappeared in the area, is it a pattern? What is the police doing?

5. Create a public event for Michelle and other victims that have disappeared , invite the media, again complain and then complain some more, it doesn't need to be fair it needs to be effective.

6. Don't continuously attack DS, not everyone agrees with you and you risk creating sympathies where ordinarily there would be none, do not demonize DS, there is a way to get your point across without it, more polished, more effective, everyone is entitled to justice and people respond better to dignified appeals and thoughtful thinking, then personal attacks ... there is a way to appear fair and considered while delivering devastatingly effective accusations at least from a PR point of view.

7. Ask to meet the Police Chief personally, ask what resources are being spent on Michelle's case, don't accept general "feel good" statements, heartfelt sympathies or promises, demand answers now, it doesn't need to be fair it needs to be effective.

<End quote>

I have also volunteered to help build a website where some of the ideas above as well as others could be implemented. I'm also open to suggestions as to how me and others can help in ways that are tangible and practical.

"... I personally think that everyone involved in this case (including family) has done an amazing job thus far trying to find Michelle ..."

I have made no characterizations about the family nor would I do so now. I have no knowledge of what they have done specifically to help this investigation other then in general terms, and i don't see it as my place to guess about things I know next to nothing about, I was only referring in my post to the police and particularly the investigators who are in charge of this investigation, to that point alone I'm at a loss as to how anyone would consider not having found Michelle after two years of her disappearance "... an amazing job ...", and I respectfully disagree with that particular characterization where the work of the police is the issue. There are plenty of questions where strategies and methods by the police are of concern, and if the fact that Michelle is still missing after two years is not an occasion for re-evaluation of methods and strategies, or at the very least the occasion to start asking real questions and get real answers not general "feel good" statements and vague statements designed for media consumption, then I don't know when it ought to be appropriate.

There's an important concept that in my opinion gets forgotten in this thread routinely, the difference between opinions and verifiable facts, the difference between what we believe and what we can demonstrate, the difference between what is wishful and what is doable and that is the substantial difference between Michelle being found and just hope that she'd be found, the first requires a working strategy based on realities the latter only require oratory skills, if that. Michelle has been missing for almost two years and that is not a success, that is a failure ... as in the inability to achieve a stated goal, and no amount of words can change that, therefore it's time to effect changes by those who can, and to make the police accountable not just for Michelle but for all those that have disappeared before her and will disappear after her, and not to simply criticize for it's own sake, but to help understand what has been done wrong, what's has been done right, and what can be done to improve the police effectiveness ranging from investigative methods all the way to available resources as a result of funding and personnel training, and that is what might make a real difference.

JMO

 

[What'sThatClue]

There are two public facebook accounts created by the family and a website. No need to create another website or FB account, IMO.

http://www.themlpnetwork.com/

 

[notmissing]

".... If this is how you feel then perhaps you should start sending emails or letters to the detectives assigned to the case. Share your thoughts/ideas on what could be done in the future ...."

I have expressed clear ideas on what can be done on more then one occasion, perhaps you have missed it? Let me cut and paste below here from one such a post and perhaps you might care to comment on them and give us your thoughts.

<Start quote>:

1. Make a true interactive website that incorporates a bb just like this one. People need to participate in real time ... a shared experience ... ideas, comments, messages, discussions, anything else that you might think of.

2. Create several kinds of YouTube videos, trying to arouse different emotions, anger, pity, hope, civic duty, fear, resentment, justice and put faces and locations in them, and yes DS as well, there is a legal way to do it but check with an attorney on how since state and local laws may differ. DS is a public figure and as such there are plenty of leeway where freedom of speech is concerned.

3. Make petitions about anything reasonable, make noises, complain about everything, especially the police, it doesn't need to be fair it needs to be effective. Petition the Mayor, the Chief of Police, the city counsel and anyone you can think of ... again it doesn't have to be fair it needs to be effective.

4. If you can gather enough people demonstrate for action in front of the police station, point fingers, complain, if it happened to Michelle it can happen to anyone, no one is safe, everyone has stake in it ... other females have disappeared in the area, is it a pattern? What is the police doing?

5. Create a public event for Michelle and other victims that have disappeared , invite the media, again complain and then complain some more, it doesn't need to be fair it needs to be effective.

6. Don't continuously attack DS, not everyone agrees with you and you risk creating sympathies where ordinarily there would be none, do not demonize DS, there is a way to get your point across without it, more polished, more effective, everyone is entitled to justice and people respond better to dignified appeals and thoughtful thinking, then personal attacks ... there is a way to appear fair and considered while delivering devastatingly effective accusations at least from a PR point of view.

7. Ask to meet the Police Chief personally, ask what resources are being spent on Michelle's case, don't accept general "feel good" statements, heartfelt sympathies or promises, demand answers now, it doesn't need to be fair it needs to be effective.

<End quote>

I have also volunteered to help build a website where some of the ideas above as well as others could be implemented. I'm also open to suggestions as to how me and others can help in ways that are tangible and practical.

"... I personally think that everyone involved in this case (including family) has done an amazing job thus far trying to find Michelle ..."

I have made no characterizations about the family nor would I do so now. I have no knowledge of what they have done specifically to help this investigation other then in general terms, and i don't see it as my place to guess about things I know next to nothing about, I was only referring in my post to the police and particularly the investigators who are in charge of this investigation, to that point alone I'm at a loss as to how anyone would consider not having found Michelle after two years of her disappearance an amazing job, and I respectfully disagree with that particular characterization where the work of the police is the issue. There are plenty of questions where strategies and methods by the police are of concern, and if the fact that Michelle is still missing after two years is not an occasion for re-evaluation of methods and strategies, or at the very least the occasion to start asking real questions and get real answers not general "feel good" statements and vague statements designed for media consumption, then I don't know when it ought to be appropriate.

JMO

Good ideas. I was suggesting that you share your ideas/thoughts with investigators. Maybe sharing your ideas with the family would be more beneficial. I'm sure any ideas that you share with them will be appreciated.

There are plenty of cases that police drop the ball on.. my opinion is that they have done an amazing job so far and I think they will continue to do so until Michelle is found and justice is served. I think Michelle's family will make certain that her case is a priority. Again this is just my opinion.

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[Thor]

There are two public facebook accounts created by the family and a website. No need to create another website or FB account, IMO.

http://www.themlpnetwork.com/

I clearly failed to convey the idea of the website I had in mind, I did try to explain the difference between a interactive website that served a specific purpose, namely as a conduit to put specific strategies in place, example all of those I enumerated in that post, and one that didn't. Now, I have no knowledge of every website that might or might not be out there on behalf of Michelle, the more the better, however as a general rule, unless all the talk lead to specific actions, and unless there's a top-down level of coordinated efforts, I doubt very much how effective such an undertaking might be.

What you need in the last analysis, is a clearly stated goal, the means with which you try to achieve it consisting of the sum of all available resources, be that human and/or financial, and most importantly a clear chain of command, a coordinator that can manage a plan, a course of action, and anything else that is the vehicle by which to achieve the wanted results. Preferably the coordinator must be as free as possible from any emotional attachments, especial in a case of a missing person one does not need crusaders, clairvoyants, and any such figures, to solve a problem is to gather ideas not to impose ideas, it's the ability to put it all together as a team effort because that is what a smart manager does ... leading by consensus and collaboration.

Now it all sounds a bit too technical but it really isn't, and I know it it's easier said then done, but Michelle is still missing and if she was my own that is exactly what I would do at least to the extent that I could.

 

[Reality Orlando]

The body is male. Apparently, a man was shot and killed. That's less than a mile from Dale Smith's house. Odd coincidence, I guess.

OBT and Oak Ridge Road is a rough section of town.

 

[Thor]

Good ideas. I was suggesting that you share your ideas/thoughts with investigators. Maybe sharing your ideas with the family would be more beneficial. I'm sure any ideas that you share with them will be appreciated.

There are plenty of cases that police drop the ball on.. my opinion is that they have done an amazing job so far and I think they will continue to do so until Michelle is found and justice is served. I think Michelle's family will make certain that her case is a priority. Again this is just my opinion.

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Respectfully I'm still disagreeing that there is such a thing as an "... amazing job ..." by the police where Michelle has not been found after two years of an investigation. While I'm not presuming to put words into your mouth as the say, perhaps what you mean is that you are appreciative of their efforts and somehow believe they have done all they could to solve this case, and that would be your opinion while I might have another, and that's that, however if the issue is job performance, specifically here to find a missing person (Michelle), then solely on that account they have failed two years into it, and that is not an opinion is a fact.

Now, failure in itself is not the issue here, Everyone fails at something sometime, I did, I do and will in the future, is what one does with it that is the issue. Some keep on excusing oneself, others keep blaming somebody else, some curse destiny, some give up, some double down on, their failures and some don't see them as failures at all, yet some try to learn from them so they can hopefully do better next time, after all there is no such a thing as a perfect job and even by the most modest of expectations there's always room for improvements, in any case that last exercise requires the ability to know that life is almost always not black and white but many shades of gray, it requires one to be aware much more of what they don't know that what the think they know, it requires that one doubts first and foremost oneself before they would others, because the ultimate path to wisdom does not lie in certainties but in doubts, for to doubt is to question and the more one questions the more one might learn and where ignorance far outweighs wisdom in all of our lives there is usually not a shortage of questions to be asked.

JMO

 

[notmissing]

So are you going to share your ideas with the family or police?

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[Thor]

So are you going to share your ideas with the family or police?

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I think best to respect their privacy where contacting them directly is the issue. However as far as I know they're aware of my offer to help build a website as I imagined it since I was told that my offer had been related, however I got no response of any kind, which brings me back again to the concept of respect of privacy which I think it's best here, after all one can bring the horse to the water but one can't force him to drink it. Also I believe for different reasons that the family is aware of what people think in this thread as well as others.

Where the Police is the issue as I expressed in my posts, that is best handled by people on the ground, meaning those who live in Fl., I'm out of state and quite far, in any case, any pressure of the police need to originate from the family for obvious reasons, or at least from members of the community as a matter of public safety, and preferably both working together, I'd personally have standing under both scenarios only by the broadest of definitions and certainly not in a way that could directly be of significance in this instance. In other words, the family should develop a grassroots organization that is obviously local and can be deployed psychically where and when needed, be that in organizing searches, media events, pressure tactic and so on, because ultimately they need doers not just talkers, they need a specific plan, a specific strategy that is results based, not an echo-chamber of like minded individuals. "Results based" is a key concept here since it's crucial to be able to arrive at a dispassionate and ongoing evaluations of what works and what does not, and that is key to achieving the intended results.

Ultimately, all of the above had required and still requires a great deal of organizational skills and discipline that can only come from the top-down, especially where the issue is to gather potential resources, that is a process of consensus building not a gathering of cheerleaders stuck in personal righteousness at the expense of solving problems by making course corrections as a result of self-criticism and present realities.

In sum I come back to my original point, what's needed here a clearly defined command structure which is able to gather and allocate available resources and implement well defined strategies, assuming all of it is still doable in a practical sense after two years have passed, and that is to underscore how time is of the essence here.

JMO

 

[Jazzmaster]

I think best to respect their privacy where contacting them directly is the issue. However as far as I know they're aware of my offer to help build a website as I imagined it since I was told that my offer had been related, however I got no response of any kind, which brings me back again to the concept of respect of privacy which I think it's best here, after all one can bring the horse to the water but one can't force him to drink it. Also I believe for different reasons that the family is aware of what people think in this thread as well as others.

Where the Police is the issue as I expressed in my posts, that is best handled by people on the ground, meaning those who live in Fl., I'm out of state and quite far, in any case, any pressure of the police need to originate from the family for obvious reasons, or at least from members of the community as a matter of public safety, and preferably both working together, I'd personally have standing under both scenarios only by the broadest of definitions and certainly not in a way that could directly be of significance in this instance. In other words, the family should develop a grassroots organization that is obviously local and can be deployed psychically where and when needed, be that in organizing searches, media events, pressure tactic and so on, because ultimately they need doers not just talkers, they need a specific plan, a specific strategy that is results based, not an echo-chamber of like minded individuals. "Results based" is a key concept here since it's crucial to be able to arrive at a dispassionate and ongoing evaluations of what works and what does not, and that is key to achieving the intended results.

Ultimately, all of the above had required and still requires a great deal of organizational skills and discipline that can only come from the top-down, especially where the issue is to gather potential resources, that is a process of consensus building not a gathering of cheerleaders stuck in personal righteousness at the expense of solving problems by making course corrections as a result of self-criticism and present realities.

In sum I come back to my original point, what's needed here a clearly defined command structure which is able to gather and allocate available resources and implement well defined strategies, assuming all of it is still doable in a practical sense after two years have passed, and that is to underscore how time is of the essence here.

JMO

IMO the family KNOWS Dale killed Michelle. The problem is proving this. They need someone to come forward who has information....without a witness there is FAR too much ground to cover in FL. They haven't given up looking BUT without new leads they don't know where else to look. Dale had SOOO much time to cover his tracks that Michelle could be almost anywhere within a 50 mile radius IMO. She is probably close to Dale's condo but where is the question? I have personally searched the area myself but we keep coming up short.

 

[Thor]

IMO the family KNOWS Dale killed Michelle. The problem is proving this. They need someone to come forward who has information....without a witness there is FAR too much ground to cover in FL. They haven't given up looking BUT without new leads they don't know where else to look. Dale had SOOO much time to cover his tracks that Michelle could be almost anywhere within a 50 mile radius IMO. She is probably close to Dale's condo but where is the question? I have personally searched the area myself but we keep coming up short.

Jazz, I really have no idea why you keep on answering my posts with something that have basically nothing to do with what I was saying. I really don't know what to make of it. I'm basically at a point where I don't have anything to add to this discussions since every point I'm trying to make gets ignored in favor of this never ending Dale Smith obsession.

I did give numerous ideas on different occasions about what can possibly be done to find Michelle, and routinely there's not a single comment on it, nor do I have any illusion that one is forthcoming. Instead what one keeps on hearing is how some people are right about this and that notwithstanding they can't prove it, as if not being able to prove something is somehow an afterthought, another detail about some truth that they and only they know, somehow ... for some mystical reason, a truth others simply can't grasp ... it's like living in an alternate universe where the law of physics and reason are part of one's own definition of reality, under those circumstances there are no real discussion I can participate in, only speeches of whatever kind for whatever reason, without a real purpose for something practical.

If it continues to be the case that all that we have is unproven knowledge of sure guilt (a contradiction in terms), fueled only by the hope that someone will, for some reason, come forward with some new information to prove us right two years after the fact then this is not a strategy, and where there's no strategy there are no expectations of success other then by some chance and where chance is concerned we've already seen the results two years into this tragedy. There are no reasonable expectations at this time that someone will come forward with new information, there are no reasonable expectations that the Police is going to find evidence today that they haven't been able to find in the two previous years, where success is defined by finding Michelle then this all affair has been a complete failure and what are needed are new strategies because the definition of insanity is truly doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results as Albert Einstein correctly pointed out, because life is not about a collection of opinions but an amalgamation of mathematical equations that need to be solved and that exist independent of said opinions, and nothing of consequence is likely to be accomplished unless one's aware of that very fact.

Again and in the final analysis I've really nothing of consequence to contribute to this discussion under these circumstances other then talking for it's own sake, and when even people like me get tired of talking ... well there you have it if you can figure it out.

They need new strategies where the goal is to find Michelle, where practical and doable, are the keywords and where the adjective "new" is about that which has not been tried before, because if at this time the discussion is not about that then it's not really about Michelle.

JMO

 

[rachaellouise]

Does anyone know if Dale has been in any relationships since Michelle went missing? I'd like to think no woman would go near him with a barge pole but you never know..
Also I'd love to know what Dales family think with regards to Michelle and their sons potential involvement!

 

[Jazzmaster]

Jazz, I really have no idea why you keep on answering my posts with something that have basically nothing to do with what I was saying. I really don't know what to make of it. I'm basically at a point where I don't have anything to add to this discussions since every point I'm trying to make gets ignored in favor of this never ending Dale Smith obsession.

I did give numerous ideas on different occasions about what can possibly be done to find Michelle, and routinely there's not a single comment on it, nor do I have any illusion that one is forthcoming. Instead what one keeps on hearing is how some people are right about this and that notwithstanding they can't prove it, as if not being able to prove something is somehow an afterthought, another detail about some truth that they and only they know, somehow ... for some mystical reason, a truth others simply can't grasp ... it's like living in an alternate universe where the law of physics and reason are part of one's own definition of reality, under those circumstances there are no real discussion I can participate in, only speeches of whatever kind for whatever reason, without a real purpose for something practical.

If it continues to be the case that all that we have is unproven knowledge of sure guilt (a contradiction in terms), fueled only by the hope that someone will, for some reason, come forward with some new information to prove us right two years after the fact then this is not a strategy, and where there's no strategy there are no expectations of success other then by some chance and where chance is concerned we've already seen the results two years into this tragedy. There are no reasonable expectations at this time that someone will come forward with new information, there are no reasonable expectations that the Police is going to find evidence today that they haven't been able to find in the two previous years, where success is defined by finding Michelle then this all affair has been a complete failure and what are needed are new strategies because the definition of insanity is truly doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results as Albert Einstein correctly pointed out, because life is not about a collection of opinions but an amalgamation of mathematical equations that need to be solved and that exist independent of said opinions, and nothing of consequence is likely to be accomplished unless one's aware of that very fact.

Again and in the final analysis I've really nothing of consequence to contribute to this discussion under these circumstances other then talking for it's own sake, and when even people like me get tired of talking ... well there you have it if you can figure it out.

They need new strategies where the goal is to find Michelle, where practical and doable, are the keywords and where the adjective "new" is about that which has not been tried before, because if at this time the discussion is not about that then it's not really about Michelle.

JMO

Thor, all reasonable information leads RIGHT back to Dale. You have to at least ADMIT that....Michelle had a normal day along with normal activity then drops off the precious twinners at Dale's house and is NEVER seen or heard from again. He wanted her dead, threatened to kill her and kidnap the kids and now she's dead and he has the kids. Coincidence? I think not!

Either Dale did something to Michelle or it was the one-armed bandit. Maybe Sasquatch? JK...but you get the point. When killers like Dale have time and a plan, they can hide evidence that may never be found. How many women remain missing? Why aren't those women found? Why do killers like Dale remain free?

The truth is reasonable doubt protects the guilty as much as the innocent. Smart marine trained killers like Dale who follow crime shows, follow disappearance cases like Sr did with Susan Powell, and have lived a life of trying to "beat the system" find ways to literally get away with murder. LE has gone above and beyond the call of duty to gather more evidence, but with the most important evidence more than likely hidden and/or destroyed there are limited places to search without new leads surfacing. ALL JMO

 

[Jazzmaster]

Now an innocent guy accused of a crime he didn't commit would typically go on the offense to take the spotlight away from himself and find who really did it....especially a guy as obsessed with his image as Dale is. He would cooperate fully and help clear his name. Instead Dale went on the defense....a totally different strategy. Yet one that is most often used by the guilty....lawyer up!

YS said it best:'You could have avoided this Dale, if you had cooperated with the police and took a polygraph test when they asked you, you could have avoided a lot of stress.

'Dale, honestly, if you're out there, honey, and you're listening to me, I have always said from day one - it's okay if couples fight.
'If you made a mistake, it was just a second of, "Oh, I lost my head," or whatever and you didn't know what to do ... our family needs to have Michelle home. We need to heal.'

 

[notmissing]

He chose to go on People's Court over a stupid ring but doesn't have a thing to say publicly about the mother of his children missing.

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[Jazzmaster]

He chose to go on People's Court over a stupid ring but doesn't have a thing to say publicly about the mother of his children missing.

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I know the ONLY reasonable explanation is he doesn't want to incriminate himself....IMO If he were to tell what happened that day he would be sitting in a jail cell so it is in his best interest to refuse lie detector tests and remain silent.