FL - Multiple fatalities in Shooting in Orlando, 5th June 2017

[Indy Anna]

We are probably more at risk of death in a workplace incident than in a terror attack. I'm concerned about it a lot. In my line of business there are a lot of crazies and a lot of anger. And now there is a tenant in my office building who has me worried. She's also a female attorney. But she has A LOT of drama. And constant, different boyfriends. I don't know why she brings guys she's dating immediately into her work life. But she does. And a couple have been threatening stalker types. They come to my door looking for her. Ugh.

I never forget the Seal Beach hair salon massacre. Dude came in to kill his ex and killed a bunch of other women as well. Probably thought they supported her or something.

Scares me.

I worked for 12.5 years with a woman who had obvious mental problems. She would even talk openly about the medication she was on. At first she was on an anti-anxiety med which I remember thinking wasn't strong enough/what she needed. While I was walking across the room, she would suddenly get up from her desk and start walking toward me quickly. It scared me because I was afraid she would knock me down (I am very petite and she was a big woman; also, I have a back injury and cannot move that quickly). She apparently had a dispute with a temp and threatened to slash her tires. The temp confronted her one day because when she left work, one tire was flat. But, the other woman insisted she wasn't responsible for the flat tire. The woman also announced once that she had a gun in her purse.

She also announced when her doctor put her on Prozac. That worked for a while, but she didn't handle stress well. At that time, she'd worked for the company over 20 years and was friendly with the company owner, which is probably why she wasn't fired. And, maybe because they were fearful of her. She had 2 brother who committed suicide. One visited the office occasionally. There was one new executive who left within a week because of her. His first day, he seemed so upbeat and confident. A couple of days later, I could tell he was a nervous wreck. That office is closed now and I don't know where she's working--or, if she's retired. It's scary to think what could have happened.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

PICTURED: The 45-year-old Army veteran who barged into his former workplace two months after being fired and shot dead five of his ex-coworkers before committing suicide

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dead-Orlando-mass-shooting.html#ixzz4j9zgwZra



John Neumann (shooter)

ETA:

"One of the witnesses, a woman who worked as a temp, said that when Neumann arrived at the office, he pointed a gun at her and told her to get out - suggesting that he was only targeting people he had worked with during his time at Fiamma."

"There wasn't any security cameras running inside the business, but there was one outside by the rear entrance where Neumann is believed to have shot the first victim, Demings said."

 

[gregjrichards]

The victims names

"Police identified victims of the killing spree as Brenda Montanez-Crespo, 44, Kevin Lawson, 46, Kevin Clark, 53, Jeffrey Roberts, 57 and Robert Snyder, 69. Most of them were shot in the head, Demings said, with some shot multiple times.

Eight witnesses survived, including one person who may not have been an employee."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...d-shooting-orlando-business-article-1.3222409

 

[shadowdancer]

How awful. Shocking that such tragedies are occurring so frequently in the US.

Sending my sympathies to all affected.

 

[TeaTime]

In my day, if you got fired you got another job. You didn't exact revenge on your ex-co-workers or boss you just moved on with life. If everyone hated you at work, you quit. If you hated everyone at work, you quit. And you found another job and moved on with life.

No one who quit or was fired was allowed back into the workplace. It solved a lot of problems.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

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We are probably more at risk of death in a workplace incident than in a terror attack. I'm concerned about it a lot. In my line of business there are a lot of crazies and a lot of anger. And now there is a tenant in my office building who has me worried. She's also a female attorney. But she has A LOT of drama. And constant, different boyfriends. I don't know why she brings guys she's dating immediately into her work life. But she does. And a couple have been threatening stalker types. They come to my door looking for her. Ugh.

I never forget the Seal Beach hair salon massacre. Dude came in to kill his ex and killed a bunch of other women as well. Probably thought they supported her or something.

Scares me.

Stay safe, gitana.
I worry about those injustice seekers too

 

[Springrain]

Oh no. Awful. Just awful.

 

[1&2&3]

I wonder if he just found out that he had been turned down for unemployment benefits?

Each state has different rules on whether a fired employee qualifies for these benefits. In my state, the fired person writes a statement, it is then sent to the employer for their statement. If the employer denies it, then the employee can appeal it. It is about a 4-6 week process for the employee to hear the results if he has been turned down.

Given he was fired in April, this is the first of June, the time period would be right for finding out he was not going to receive unemployment. This is enough to make a mild temper person loose their control.

My opinions only.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I wonder if he just found out that he had been turned down for unemployment benefits?

Each state has different rules on whether a fired employee qualifies for these benefits. In my state, the fired person writes a statement, it is then sent to the employer for their statement. If the employer denies it, then the employee can appeal it. It is about a 4-6 week process for the employee to hear the results if he has been turned down.

Given he was fired in April, this is the first of June, the time period would be right for finding out he was not going to receive unemployment. This is enough to make a mild temper person loose their control.

My opinions only.

Oh.....good point about unemployment & a possibility, no?

Has anyone stated what he was like? Any warning signs? Any particular "beefs" with bosses or co-workers?
History of anger issues or harboring "injustices"?

Anything?

 

[Indy Anna]

Oh.....good point about unemployment & a possibility, no?

Has anyone stated what he was like? Any warning signs? Any particular "beefs" with bosses or co-workers?
History of anger issues or harboring "injustices"?

Anything?

I'd consider the incident with the co-worker in 2014 a clear warning sign. But his other infractions over the years show an overall disregard for authority and the safety of others, IMO.

Court records show the suspect in the fatal Orlando workplace shootings had a series of run-ins with the law going back more than 20 years, but they were mostly for minor offenses.

John Robert Neumann Jr. was arrested in 1995 in an Orlando suburb for driving under the influence.


He was arrested in 1999 for driving with a suspended license, theft, giving a deputy a false name and probation violation.

The next year, he was arrested for driving with a suspended license, and in 2003 he was arrested for possessing stolen property and driving with a suspended license.


In 2009, he was arrested for marijuana possession, driving with a suspended license and leaving the scene of an accident in a hit-and-run where there was property damage.

<snip> https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...2ab5745db2e_story.html?utm_term=.bac833dad424

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Indy--refresh my memory please about the 2014 incident with a coworker??? Also, why was he recently fired?

 

[Indy Anna]

Indy--refresh my memory please about the 2014 incident with a coworker??? Also, why was he recently fired?

It’s unclear what motivated the attack at Fiamma. Neumann had a “negative relationship” with one of the victims, the sheriff said.

Demings also said the Sheriff’s Office responded to Fiamma about three years ago, when Neumann allegedly battered an employee. There were no charges at that time, and that employee was not one of the people killed Monday.

<snip> http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...rlando-workplace-shooting-20170605-story.html

So far, I haven't seen the reason he was fired, but sounds like he didn't get along well with coworkers, IMO.

 

[Spellbound]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html

Orlando workplace shooting: Who is gunman John Neumann Jr.?

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Shooter had several arrests since 1995
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-sheriff-to-describe-multiple-shooting-in-orlando/2017/06/05/68f8325e-49f9-11e7-987c-42ab5745db2e_story.html

http://www.thenewscenter.tv/content...ing-factory-in-Orlando-Florida-426520861.html

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

PICTURED: Five victims gunned down by Army veteran in Orlando including single father-of-two who celebrated his son's graduation one day earlier

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tims-killed-Orlando-attack.html#ixzz4jDr3Jo6z

 

[Dionysia]

This is why employers - including several of mine - do Active Shooter Training and Drills.

Unfortunately, it's a reality these days.

The one that stands out most in my mind is the shooting at Edgewater Technologies in Wakefield, MA in 2000.
It was local to me and the fact that the HR and Payroll employees were targeted was chilling. (I'm in HR.)

As for unemployment, generally if an employee is fired, they are still eligible for unemployment. The big exception is if they are fired for misconduct. It's up to the state UI board to decide what exactly constitutes misconduct and whether they are going to approve or deny benefits. It's not up to the employer; we literally just fill out a form.

 

[Indy Anna]

This is why employers - including several of mine - do Active Shooter Training and Drills.

Unfortunately, it's a reality these days.

The one that stands out most in my mind is the shooting at Edgewater Technologies in Wakefield, MA in 2000.
It was local to me and the fact that the HR and Payroll employees were targeted was chilling. (I'm in HR.)

As for unemployment, generally if an employee is fired, they are still eligible for unemployment. The big exception is if they are fired for misconduct. It's up to the state UI board to decide what exactly constitutes misconduct and whether they are going to approve or deny benefits. It's not up to the employer; we literally just fill out a form.

I once worked in a professional position in a group home and there were some very scary characters who worked there. They acted like I was the one who decided their pay although I had nothing to do with it. I did have authority to discipline (which I did do), but not authority to fire. Once I received a phone call from an employee (tried unsuccessfully to disguise his voice) who threatened to come beat me up. When someone wasn't doing their job or was suspected of misconduct, my boss would generally cut their hours to encourage them to quit rather than fire them, and the company didn't deny their unemployment benefits. It was safer that way. Still, I would not want to work in that environment these days. These are scary times!

 

[Butterfly_Rises]

co-worker of the gunman in a workplace shooting in Florida had requested a protective injunction against him three years ago but then withdrew it without explanation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/miamiherald.relaymedia.com/amp/news/business/article154568009.html



QUOTE=gregjrichards;13418777]Breaking News

Multiple people are dead after a shooting at an Orlando, Florida business Monday morning.

The Orange County Sheriff's Office tweeted at 9:12am that there had been 'multiple fatalities' in the shooting but that the situation has been 'stabilized'.

They confirmed that there is no shooter at large, but would not say whether the shooter has been taken into custody or is dead.

The shooting happened around 8am, near the Gerber Collision and Class Center, in an industrial area on North Forsyth Road near Hanging Moss Road.

No further details - such as the exact number of fatalities or the cause of the shooting - have been released.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dead-Orlando-mass-shooting.html#ixzz4j8THL36u
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[Butterfly_Rises]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/miamiherald.relaymedia.com/amp/news/business/article154568009.html

Breaking News

Multiple people are dead after a shooting at an Orlando, Florida business Monday morning.

The Orange County Sheriff's Office tweeted at 9:12am that there had been 'multiple fatalities' in the shooting but that the situation has been 'stabilized'.

They confirmed that there is no shooter at large, but would not say whether the shooter has been taken into custody or is dead.

The shooting happened around 8am, near the Gerber Collision and Class Center, in an industrial area on North Forsyth Road near Hanging Moss Road.

No further details - such as the exact number of fatalities or the cause of the shooting - have been released.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dead-Orlando-mass-shooting.html#ixzz4j8THL36u
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

 

[Indy Anna]

co-worker of the gunman in a workplace shooting in Florida had requested a protective injunction against him three years ago but then withdrew it without explanation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/miamiherald.relaymedia.com/amp/news/business/article154568009.html

That coworker must feel terrible now that he didn't carry through with the injunction. Wonder if he was threatened? Maybe he quit his job instead? We know that the coworker was not among those killed so I doubt he was still working for the company. MOO

 

[lindamichelle1]

This is so horrible. Its terrifying it could happen to anyone. Luckily in Australia we dont really get too many gun shootings but still I work in a company with 100's of employees and who knows who is gonna snap. Ours is like someone commented further up they pretty much just cut your hours and never give you shifts so you quit instead of firing them.
That poor 14 year old daughter who has now lost her father after losing her mother. I cant imagine.