FL FL - Nancy Bochicchio, 47, & Joey Bochicchio-Hauser, 7, Boca Raton, 12 Dec 2007

  • #161
Did they ever say where the googles came from? Did Nancy buy them at the mall? Did they have them in the vehicle? Did the perp bring them? Did he buy them at the mall and a chance meeting in the mall drew his attention to them? To me they are the biggest clue. If he brought or bought them that day it seems premeditated. If he did do the prior robbery where they drove to the atm and then let them go, he may not have wanted to make that mistake again. No witnesses.


The police believe the goggles were actually brought by the perp. In the other crime with the mother/young child (in which he let her go after), the mother reported to police that he had forced her to wear goggles. The perp had also seen her drivers license, as this would be a threat of retaliation in the event of her calling the police.

The fact that the goggles were brought with the perp only furthers that robbery is true motive, as opposed to murder. If he intended upon killing them anyway, then why would the goggles be needed? The goggles were to ensure that he’d not be seen by the victims, or at least that he’d not be seen to the extent of them being able to recognize him in a lineup.

I hate to be someone that is outright critical of another’s theory, but I must point out that the people claiming this man is a serial killer are overlooking glaring things that say otherwise.

With that said, this man is still an animal because of his heinous crime, and thus anyone capable of a crime like this deserves the full extent of justice.

I do agree with you that the goggles are the key piece of evidence here. He constructed them with sponge on the inside, and tape or something else on the outside to block the view of the victims completely.

It is South Florida after all, and many people have swimming pools at their home, especially in Boca (Even I grew up with one in my backyard). Not to mention that just about every municipality operates a public swimming pool, most neighborhoods and apartment complexes operate their own community pools, and the beaches/ocean/intercostal waterways are always full of people who swim there too.

If I were to make an estimation of this man’s reasoning for choosing goggles, as opposed to something else to obstruct their view, then I’d say that he was probably working/did work a job in which he had googles available to him. At some point I believe he may have been a pool cleaner, lifeguard, involved in marine construction, or worked in some capacity in the boating industry.

Goggles weren’t not something that he chose by chance, or happened to find laying around somewhere. Goggles were once something he had been familiar with enough to think to himself “this would be a tool to use in a robbery”, and that’s why he brought goggles as opposed to making the victims wear a hood, or something else.
 
  • #162
Joey was nearly eight though. She didn't need a car seat. Aiming for a mother with a toddler would have been more sensible. It speaks of desperation.

The child was being placed in the back seat, this was confirmed by police. I think this was less about desperation, and more so about the risk factor or any potential victim screaming or putting up a fight. He has the victims in a vulnerable spot, as he had the means, the threat, and sadly as we all know now, he had the cold-blooded nature to harm a child.
 
  • #163
The police believe the goggles were actually brought by the perp. In the other crime with the mother/young child (in which he let her go after), the mother reported to police that he had forced her to wear goggles. The perp had also seen her drivers license, as this would be a threat of retaliation in the event of her calling the police.

The fact that the goggles were brought with the perp only furthers that robbery is true motive, as opposed to murder. If he intended upon killing them anyway, then why would the goggles be needed? The goggles were to ensure that he’d not be seen by the victims, or at least that he’d not be seen to the extent of them being able to recognize him in a lineup.

I hate to be someone that is outright critical of another’s theory, but I must point out that the people claiming this man is a serial killer are overlooking glaring things that say otherwise.

With that said, this man is still an animal because of his heinous crime, and thus anyone capable of a crime like this deserves the full extent of justice.

I do agree with you that the goggles are the key piece of evidence here. He constructed them with sponge on the inside, and tape or something else on the outside to block the view of the victims completely.

It is South Florida after all, and many people have swimming pools at their home, especially in Boca (Even I grew up with one in my backyard). Not to mention that just about every municipality operates a public swimming pool, most neighborhoods and apartment complexes operate their own community pools, and the beaches/ocean/intercostal waterways are always full of people who swim there too.

If I were to make an estimation of this man’s reasoning for choosing goggles, as opposed to something else to obstruct their view, then I’d say that he was probably working/did work a job in which he had googles available to him. At some point I believe he may have been a pool cleaner, lifeguard, involved in marine construction, or worked in some capacity in the boating industry.

Goggles weren’t not something that he chose by chance, or happened to find laying around somewhere. Goggles were once something he had been familiar with enough to think to himself “this would be a tool to use in a robbery”, and that’s why he brought goggles as opposed to making the victims wear a hood, or something else.
Good post. I also wonder if he worked in the pool industry or for a store or distributor of pool supplys
 
  • #164
Good post. I also wonder if he worked in the pool industry or for a store or distributor of pool supplys


My brother and father are both police officers, and just from being in Florida (We’re originally from NY), and owning a boat, my dad seemed to think at the time of the crime that this perp was a person that worked in the boating industry.

I’ve always had the distinct feeling that this perp was either unemployed (as in he just lost his job), or underemployed (as in underpaid/not making enough money), and that was why he did this.

An interesting note about this case is that Florida Atlantic University is about a mile-and a-half away from the mall. This could’ve easily have been a college student, however I don’t find a high probability of a college student fitting the criminal profile of this perp.
 
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  • #166
Published 10/15/2019.

Bronx Justice News Investigation: “Cold” Boca Mall Murders Still Reverberating in NYC, as Documents Shed New Light on Attacks
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Among the never-before-reported revelations from the investigation into the abduction and murders of Nancy and Joey Bochicchio, and included in the documents:

Nancy’s sister, JoAnn Bruno, gave hours of moving testimony in her civil case against Town Center owner Simon Malls, which was later settled for an undisclosed amount.

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Records filed as part of the lawsuits show dozens of crimes were committed at Town Center before the 2007 murders and abductions. Most of those crimes were never disclosed to the public.

“During the 36 months prior to the abduction and murder of Randi Ann Gorenberg, the reported criminal incidents at the subject property included: a) 43 automobile thefts of attempted thefts; b) 93 burglaries from vehicles or attempted burglaries; c) 54 incidents of vehicle vandalism; d) 25 thefts from vehicles; e) 10 bike thefts; f) 20 robberies, 5 of which were armed; g) 15 strong arm/purse snatches; h) 23 pickpockets; i) 43 drug possession/paraphernalia/sales; j) 7 incidents of carrying concealed weapons; k) 6 indecent exposures; l) 24 incidents of battery; m) 3 aggravated assault/battery; n) 6 incidents of disturbance/fights o) 38 incidents where people were injured during crimes; and p) 20 incidents where weapons were confiscated,”records filed in the Gorenberg civil case show.
 
  • #167
So sad I really wish this case gets solved it always bothered me ... maybe they can bring it up on the news or put it on 2020 or dateline..
 
  • #168
Just checking in to see if any new updates in this case.. it was on oxygen channel last week.. if they have any dna from the killer they can make a genetic profile and maybe catch him that way from family dna..
 
  • #169
I’ve spent some time “burning the midnight oil” on this one lately. Something that slipped my mind is the amount of preparation this perp has is a clear sign to his organized, prepared way of doing things. This perp wasn’t the run of the mill “junkie” type, he was deliberate, calculated, prepared, and his methods show this. He left the phone in an area that was frequently used by homeless people (that Burger King is in a very seedy area..I went to a Miami Heat game about 2 years ago, and my ex-girlfriend and I had to literally walk over homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk). The tech-savvy nature of the perp is a huge indicator, back then (at the time of the crime) it wasn’t well known that a cell phone could be tracked; but he somehow made sure to go two counties away and drop the phone off in an area where he knew it would be picked up by homeless people. Huge indicator to me that this perp wasn’t doing this on a whim, nor was he stupid...both of these suggest that he’s likely older than what some people (myself included) have suggested based off the sketch.
 
  • #170
Yes I agree.. I feel with today’s technology and all the new advanced dna stuff they should have a few suspects by now..
 
  • #171
I was watching 20/20 last night about Matthew muller and he used those black out goggles to kidnap his victims.. made me think of the boca mall murders..
 
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  • #173
From the story above about Mueller he would have been 34 in 2011 when he was admitted to the california bar. So he may have practiced law elsewhere prior to california
Muller was admitted to practice law in California in 2011, and his state bar profile says he attended Harvard Law School.

He lost his law license last year over allegations that he took a $1,250 advance from a client, then failed to file a green card application for the person’s son.
 
  • #174
I’ve spent some time “burning the midnight oil” on this one lately. Something that slipped my mind is the amount of preparation this perp has is a clear sign to his organized, prepared way of doing things. This perp wasn’t the run of the mill “junkie” type, he was deliberate, calculated, prepared, and his methods show this. He left the phone in an area that was frequently used by homeless people (that Burger King is in a very seedy area..I went to a Miami Heat game about 2 years ago, and my ex-girlfriend and I had to literally walk over homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk). The tech-savvy nature of the perp is a huge indicator, back then (at the time of the crime) it wasn’t well known that a cell phone could be tracked; but he somehow made sure to go two counties away and drop the phone off in an area where he knew it would be picked up by homeless people. Huge indicator to me that this perp wasn’t doing this on a whim, nor was he stupid...both of these suggest that he’s likely older than what some people (myself included) have suggested based off the sketch.
The fact that he did that with the phones so many years ago make me wonder if he was in the law profession. Maybe an officer, a detective, an IT person or perhaps someone in his close circle was. Someone who knew how to cover his tracks and silence his victims. I agree with the lots of prep, tech savvy, methodical, etc. And goggles - that's makes me think he didn't want to see their eyes during the crime.
 
  • #175
They should really look into Matthew muller .
 
  • #176
This case was local to me at the time and I think about it often. I remember being terrified to go to the mall and I also worked at Mizner Park at the time where that attempted robbery happened in the parking garage and it was speculated that it could have been related to this case. I can't believe it still hasn't been solved after all of these years. Did they say they had any DNA in this case? I also wish this case was covered more aside from what was local news at the time. I know a few podcasts have (maybe 2 or 3?) and that is about all I was able to dig up.

The Matthew Muller angle is interesting. I saw that 20/20 recently too and thought the exact same thing when they mentioned the goggles. Its just an unusual detail that I've never heard before the Boca murders that it immediately caught my attention. I wonder if they've looked into him?
 
  • #177
Does anyone know are they still getting leads/info on this case or is it completely cold?
 
  • #178
Does anyone know are they still getting leads/info on this case or is it completely cold?
I’m praying they have dna
 
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  • #180
This case popped into my mind recently, so I reread the entire thread and have some thoughts.

I’m nearly positive Israel Keyes is NOT the perpetrator. These crimes seem primarily motivated by money, and if Keyes wanted cash, he’d rob a bank. He’d gotten away with plenty of them in his life; I don’t imagine him risking being caught or seen in such a busy, populated area for such a relatively small amount of money. Sure, he kidnapped Koenig from a coffee stand out in the open and used her credit cards carelessly afterward, but he seemed to be decompensating psychologically at that point; prior to that, he’d spent years being meticulous about how he committed his crimes and rarely risked that kind of exposure. His crimes seemed motivated primarily by his sexual/personal sadism and deviant personal desires. Like another commenter stated, he also avoided targeting children. While the composite sketch looks kind of like him, I think that’s more of our minds seeking patterns and connections that aren’t there. He looks similar to the sketch, so our minds start building a case around that connection, when it’s more subjective interpretation than objective fact. Finally, if they have DNA from the Boca murders, wouldn’t they have compared it to Keyes by now, or wouldn’t that link show up when they entered the DNA into databases?

Even though all these cases happened near or at the same mall, police have said in the past they do not believe Randi Gorenberg’s death is connected to the two other cases from the same year.

Unlike the unidentified woman and Nancy Bochicchio, Randi Gorenberg was not bound with zip ties and blinded by blacked-out goggles.


My feeling is Randi was the first one killed from the mall. She fought him and he changed tatics and used the zipties/ blackout goggles for more control. Many in LE think he husband had something to do with it but I think they are just pointing to him because they have no leads. Sad.

I don’t know whether Gorenberg’s murder is related or not. I tend to lean toward it being an unrelated crime, since LE stated the DNA didn’t match DNA collected from the mother/child incidents and they don’t seem convinced of a link. But it is an incredible coincidence if unrelated. Maybe two different perpetrators who operate in similar circles. I haven’t read enough about her husband to make a judgement as to his possible guilt or innocence, but it’s worth remembering that women are more often than not killed by men they know and are close to. I wonder if there is any other testing being done on any of the DNA, like genetic genealogy, or if there is evidence that could be processed with newer technology?

This is just my opinion on the guy, and why I think that robbery, as opposed to murder, was his ultimate objective in these crime.

This guy had planned this out long in advance, and he had a very specific victim profile. He specifically choose women with younger children that rode in car seats, and the reason he did so is actually two-fold.

  1. Victims will be more likely to comply with the perp, as they not only fear for their own safety, but more importantly they fear for the safety of their child.
  2. The fact that women are distracted while putting their child in a car seat buys him time to step up and make the initial part of the attack. It gives him the advantage.

I think you’re spot on with this. Whoever the perpetrator is, he clearly spent a lot of time thinking out and planning these crimes, and had very specific motivations and quirks. He seems aware of forensics or crime scene investigation to a degree, and has worked out what he believes is an effective (and clever) strategy for getting quick cash. I think there is also some underlying motivations here that are a little less clear. He enjoys exerting control over these women, and using their children and the threat of harm to them as a means of furthering that control. He uses cheap handcuffs, and then the block-out goggles for sensory deprivation. He threatens to harm the child unless they comply. It’s more psychological than physical. He doesn’t want confrontation or a struggle, which is why he chooses women with small children instead of women alone. I think he killed Nancy and Joey because one or both of them fought back, or tried to escape. For him, it’s all about exerting power over them and taking their money.

I’ve spent some time “burning the midnight oil” on this one lately. Something that slipped my mind is the amount of preparation this perp has is a clear sign to his organized, prepared way of doing things. This perp wasn’t the run of the mill “junkie” type, he was deliberate, calculated, prepared, and his methods show this. He left the phone in an area that was frequently used by homeless people (that Burger King is in a very seedy area..I went to a Miami Heat game about 2 years ago, and my ex-girlfriend and I had to literally walk over homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk). The tech-savvy nature of the perp is a huge indicator, back then (at the time of the crime) it wasn’t well known that a cell phone could be tracked; but he somehow made sure to go two counties away and drop the phone off in an area where he knew it would be picked up by homeless people. Huge indicator to me that this perp wasn’t doing this on a whim, nor was he stupid...both of these suggest that he’s likely older than what some people (myself included) have suggested based off the sketch.

This is why I think there is more to this than just robbery. The perpetrator seems to have put a lot of thought into these crimes, and I think they were as much about mind games as they were about getting some quick cash. I think all the rituals involved in planning the crimes, executing them, and then covering his tracks, show a higher intelligence and more organization than the average crook. He probably got a rush by getting away with committing these crimes in such a busy and affluent area; almost like thumbing your nose at society, especially the upper class. Maybe I’m reading a little too much into it.

These crimes are so frightening and callous. I don’t think murder was the original intent, but this creep clearly didn’t have a problem executing a woman and her child for nothing more than a wad of cash, which makes him exceptionally vile. I really, really hope they catch this guy. Nancy and Joey deserve justice, as do the other victims who were terrorized by this monster.
 

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