FL - Ryan Rogers, 14, fatally stabbed, Palm Beach Gardens, 16 Nov 2021 *Arrest*

[MoeInVA]

I think it is lack of a good alternative. Prison may not have been the right place but letting this person free was obviously the wrong choice. It cost a young boy his life but even the perpetrator was walking around paranoid and scared instead of being divert d into treatment prior. We need to work on our mental health system to be able handle such individuals before innocents are harmed or killed and the system failed the victim in this and the suspect’s other crimes.

Yeah. When I was a kid in a highly populated state, there was a massive system of state mental hospitals. They were mostly shutdown. Where are all those thousands of people now? I think most patients are better off but I mean, have we made sure that is even true? We need to make sure people are not falling through the cracks. (Vulnerable victims of abuse/neglect or violent criminals on the streets)

 

[cujenn81]

I seem to be in the minority here, but I am super impressed with this police department. The suspect was actually taken into custody last week and has been staying at a MH facility. That means LE managed to collect and test DNA found at the crime scene, obtain a DNA profile, match that profile to this suspect, find his online accounts, determine he was currently located in Miami, physically hunt his butt down in a major metropolitan city, and have him committed — all within TEN days!

That is outstanding police work, my friend.

 

[branmuffin]

So, now we have a supposedly severely mentally ill man with no ties at all to this area whatsoever, whom no one saw in the area (where homeless people stand out and get reported instantly), but whose DNA was found "in the area" and has a rap sheet in places far away that "seems" damning when read as a list on tv but that never landed him in prison for any real time, under arrest by LE that's under intense pressure (to do ANYTHING but beg us for video), for stabbing a kid who was riding a bike with no destination at all in an area that no one, especially a kid, would be riding after dark at a time when traffic is pretty heavy and within mere feet of the assault (that no one saw or heard). I do hope they found bloody clothes and the murder weapon with him and just aren't telling people those details.

And safe area? Five shootings, two robberies and a child homicide in 8 days, and that's just what made the news that I happened to catch. I'm not sure that's even safe for Florida.

Oh, and said seemingly mentally ill, indigent man was able to live in heavily populated areas for years without stabbing any strangers who came upon him, especially healthy, strong kids riding past him on moving vehicles.

Case closed.

I have the same questions as you. Having lived in a large urban area with homeless people who are obviously mentally ill, I find that when things go sideways they can be the convenient scapegoat for crimes, both petty and severe.

The thing about homeless people is that they aren't members of a community because they are forgotten or invisible to most people. Or they are just an annoyance because their humanity becomes invisible.

If a homeless, mentally ill individual came upon a deceased person, they probably wouldn't call the cops because even with severe illness they're smart enough to know they'd be suspect #1. And because they aren't part of society they'd do things like go through the belongings of the deceased person looking for money or valuables.

I really hope they found the weapon that killed Ryan on this man because finding Ryan's blood on his belongings and his earphones at the scene doesn't translate into murder to me, considering the circumstances of his lifestyle.

Many homeless people do suffer from different mental illnesses. But being mentally ill doesn't make you homicidal just like autism doesn't make you homicidal. Mentally ill people are usually a danger to themselves more so that others. It really does shine a spotlight on the state of mental health treatment or lack thereof.

 

[sk716]

What is in his hand at about 1:54 minutes into this disturbing rant video? What if anything do you all see?

I set it to HD and .25 speed, I'm in umbrella camp. It does look like a knife if you try to go frame by frame, you have to slow it down to see the shadows/light move.

 

[sk716]

I agree -- seems he's pointing with an umbrella. I also think somebody is filming for him. He doesn't appear to be walking and recording this himself. JMO

He's not walking so much as sort of meandering from my perspective. I'm pretty sure he's filming it, he just talks with his hands and is a very disturbed dude. MOO

 

[Megnut]

I set it to HD and .25 speed, I'm in umbrella camp. It does look like a knife if you try to go frame by frame, you have to slow it down to see the shadows/light move.

Could it be a screwdriver?

JMO

 

[NoNameNeeded]

Yeah. When I was a kid in a highly populated state, there was a massive system of state mental hospitals. They were mostly shutdown. Where are all those thousands of people now? I think most patients are better off but I mean, have we made sure that is even true? We need to make sure people are not falling through the cracks. (Vulnerable victims of abuse/neglect or violent criminals on the streets)

IMO many are now on the streets. Shutting down the state hospitals made people feel good, again JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I seem to be in the minority here, but I am super impressed with this police department. The suspect was actually taken into custody last week and has been staying at a MH facility. That means LE managed to collect and test DNA found at the crime scene, obtain a DNA profile, match that profile to this suspect, find his online accounts, determine he was currently located in Miami, physically hunt his butt down in a major metropolitan city, and have him committed — all within TEN days!

That is outstanding police work, my friend.

ITA with you cujenn81. This was such a random attack, I think LE here did an outstanding job piecing evidence together and getting this monster off the streets.

I have no sympathy for this killer, I reserve that for the family and loved ones of an outstanding young man who was brutally murdered for no reason.

 

[NoNameNeeded]

I seem to be in the minority here, but I am super impressed with this police department. The suspect was actually taken into custody last week and has been staying at a MH facility. That means LE managed to collect and test DNA found at the crime scene, obtain a DNA profile, match that profile to this suspect, find his online accounts, determine he was currently located in Miami, physically hunt his butt down in a major metropolitan city, and have him committed — all within TEN days!

That is outstanding police work, my friend.

Agree 100%
All of the complaints of what LE didn’t tell the public or where they searched after the call came in that RR was missing are people that have no concept of how much time and energy go into an investigation of this magnitude IMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Has anyone found the suspect’s entire address and criminal history (beyond Florida)?

It may be a stretch, but the bicycle connection has me considering Lyric and Elizabeth - Iowa.

 

[kinder]

Main Stream Media (MSM) Inaccuracies
I've noticed a number of media outlets incorrectly reporting the distance and time from Ryan's home to the location where his body was found.

1. The two most direct routes place him at 1.6 or 1.7 miles from his home by bike, according to Google maps. I've read some MSM reports inaccurately report 3 miles from his home.
2. The time to travel from his home to Central/I-95 would have taken approximately 10 minutes by bike, according to Google maps. I've read some MSM reports inaccurately report 3 minutes from his home.

I had linked the Google maps of the start/end points in the first couple of posts of this thread.

 

[evilwise]

IMO many are now on the streets. Shutting down the state hospitals made people feel good, again JMO

I agree completely. Not to go in a tangent but I personally believe that the public housing, inpatient mental health and prison systems all need to be handled and even thought of as one large system with a sliding scale of how much freedom and how much treatment residents get. Also the opportunity to feel productive like just labeling packages or even just busy work for very troubled people like this guy. Idle hands are the devil's playthings.

I don't even want to look for how many crazy ranting street videos like this guy's there probably are on YouTube now. It would make me more inclined to carry and I don't like that social trend.

 

[sk716]

I agree completely. Not to go in a tangent but I personally believe that the public housing, inpatient mental health and prison systems all need to be handled and even thought of as one large system with a sliding scale of how much freedom and how much treatment residents get. Also the opportunity to feel productive like just labeling packages or even just busy work for very troubled people like this guy. Idle hands are the devil's playthings.

I don't even want to look for how many crazy ranting street videos like this guy's there probably are on YouTube now. It would make me more inclined to carry and I don't like that social trend.

Maybe don't equate being poor or mentally ill with criminal behavior.

We have thousands of people locked up on non-violent drug offenses (addiction) while violent mentally ill people are put out into the street to randomly stab children to death.

 

[evilwise]

Maybe don't equate being poor or mentally ill with criminal behavior.

We have thousands of people locked up on non-violent drug offenses (addiction) while violent mentally ill people are put out into the street to randomly stab children to death.

With all due respect you are literally equating mental illness with murder while minimizing the social impact of non-violent drug offenses. I agree! That's my point, that anyone and everyone who needs social intervention/assistance should be evaluated by the same fair scale not based on a checklist of "offenses" rather an objective one to determine how they can improve their circumstances and exactly how closely they need to be monitored.

Unfortunately that's also a step toward socialism, we're already pushing toward a majority of our population fit into that broad net of needing "assistance" and the powers that be would accelerate that slide of the system were more efficient.

Something needs to be done though. I don't want to worry that one of the ever increasing number of ranting homeless people is going to try to stab some kid to death.

 

[Sillybilly]

@kinder has now been verified as an insider in this case.

As always, please treat our VI with respect at all times. If you disagree with something they have to contribute, just scroll and roll without arguing with them or challenging them in any way.

Thank you to everyone for being here for Ryan and to discuss this very tragic case.

 

[Seattle1]

Main Stream Media (MSM) Inaccuracies
I've noticed a number of media outlets incorrectly reporting the distance and time from Ryan's home to the location where his body was found.

1. The two most direct routes place him at 1.6 or 1.7 miles from his home by bike, according to Google maps. I've read some MSM reports inaccurately report 3 miles from his home.
2. The time to travel from his home to Central/I-95 would have taken approximately 10 minutes by bike, according to Google maps. I've read some MSM reports inaccurately report 3 minutes from his home.

I had linked the Google maps of the start/end points in the first couple of posts of this thread.

Thank you @kinder for becoming verified for this case. Can you please confirm if true that Ryan acquired his bike only a couple of months ago, and typically went on a bike ride in the early evening -- not necessarily a destination?

 

[Seattle1]

12/3/21 YouTube videos document suspect's movements before Ryan Rogers' death

 

[kinder]

Thank you @kinder for becoming verified for this case. Can you please confirm if true that Ryan acquired his bike only a couple of months ago, and typically went on a bike ride in the early evening -- not necessarily a destination?

I recall reading that on local SM from mom early in the case before it was deemed homicide and have no reason to question it at all. Many of the local SM posts were taken down by mods of those forums out of respect for the family. So I cannot go back and check. Sorry. The family has requested privacy now and I would expect a quiet period through the holidays. If I learn of anything worth sharing I will let you know. I will say that I have known the family as an honest, reasonable, fair, supportive, hard working family, down to earth and unpretentious with New England roots.

 

[Seattle1]

12/3/21 'Never be forgotten:' Retired first responder hopes Bible comforts Ryan Rogers' family

 

[Baciagalupo]

Very sad but glad it's solved and thanks to the mods for quickly deleting all those horrible posts blaming the mom! That's why I'm here and not on other sites with out of control gossiping.