• #181
MD: They were probably so naive they didn't realize they were being assaulted/abused so no harm no foul. 🤮 🤬

That is the problem when abuse is normalized. And in a homeschool environment, no one else to tell. Mama doesn't have time to listen to anyone not quoting scriptures. We don't "tattletail" on others. On and on. It is a way of ignoring things. And being oblivious, by pretending there is nothing wrong.
 
  • #182
From your link:

Once on the phone, the affidavit states that Joseph "admitted his actions," saying "he touched the victim over her clothing."

Joseph also "admitted his intentions were not pure," according to the affidavit.
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Didn’t Josh also claim he touched his victims over their clothes? Why don’t I believe Joseph either? :rolleyes:

Waiting to see if anything is found on Joseph’s electronics…

Yes, Josh only admitted to touching over clothing but I don't believe it. Too many instances. Over a period of time he was touching sisters in bed asleep, having youngest sister sit on his lap, stalking a sister in the laundry room and touching her under her dress, touching the babysitter.

Good point about Joe's electronics. I believe they will get Warrants to check his electronics.

Joe says he touched his victim over her clothing but it does not sound like this from the victim's description in my opinion:

“The victim reported Duggar repeatedly asked her to sit on his lap,” Bay City police shared in a statement. “As the vacation continued, he also asked her to sit next to him on a couch and covered them with a blanket. During this time, Duggar manipulated the victim’s underwear and grazed her genitals. Duggar would also continue to rub his hands on her thighs.”
 
  • #183
Yes, Josh only admitted to touching over clothing but I don't believe it. Too many instances. Over a period of time he was touching sisters in bed asleep, having youngest sister sit on his lap, stalking a sister in the laundry room and touching her under her dress, touching the babysitter.

Good point about Joe's electronics. I believe they will get Warrants to check his electronics.

Joe says he touched his victim over her clothing but it does not sound like this from the victim's description in my opinion:

“The victim reported Duggar repeatedly asked her to sit on his lap,” Bay City police shared in a statement. “As the vacation continued, he also asked her to sit next to him on a couch and covered them with a blanket. During this time, Duggar manipulated the victim’s underwear and grazed her genitals. Duggar would also continue to rub his hands on her thighs.”
The term ‘grazed her genitals’ is strange.
 
  • #184
  • #185
Ah, that makes sense! Thanks.
There are entirely too many J. Duggars lol (although there are at least fewer than there used to be, since I think all the married daughters took their husbands' last names)
 
  • #186
Yes, Josh only admitted to touching over clothing but I don't believe it. Too many instances. Over a period of time he was touching sisters in bed asleep, having youngest sister sit on his lap, stalking a sister in the laundry room and touching her under her dress, touching the babysitter.

With Josh's youngest victim, it was not over clothing. And not a graze.
 
  • #187
He was especially stupid doing it in Florida. Florida don't play.
 
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  • #189
Amy grew up with these people. She knows there were things going on in their house that shouldn’t have been happening.
 
  • #190

“I don't know what's going on,” Amy said in her video while in tears. “And our local news is saying that there's more and there's been — someone else has been arrested and there's stuff going on and I'm just, I don't know.”

“I just thought everyone should know that there's more to this story,” she added. “I don't know what it is though.”
That was funny! We don't know anything either, I wonder if we all have to post a public video declaring that?
 
  • #191
With this happening on vacation that signaled to me the victim could have been his niece on either side. The proximity, the opportunity, would not surprise me. IMO

This happened on a holiday taken with Kendra's family. His family wasn't there.
 
  • #192
I have no idea who the child was. I think speculating creates information on the internet that points to a certain child. The privacy of this young girl shouid be something that we all protect.

For me, it is enough to focus on the bad guy who has abused a child AND anyone else in that family who assisted, harbored, or minimized his behavior. The final question is if any other child in his sphere has been abused. The child who told her father has an adult with sense who was not going to hide the crime. There may be other Duggar family members whose children are at risk and their parents/guardians may be silent on protecting them.
 
  • #193
I’d like to know what prompted the discussion now. Did she finally feel strong enough or was there something else
 
  • #194
It's time Jim Bob and Michelle take a long hard look at themselves and realize they messed up.
I think it's time for someone to take a long hard look at that family and what was going on. Multiple children from the same family don't wind up being pedophiles (allegedly) without some sort of issues going on imo...jmo..
 
  • #195
I’d like to know what prompted the discussion now. Did she finally feel strong enough or was there something else
Could it be as simple as she finally understood well enough to recognise what had happened as being wrong? I can't help but wonder how much education children growing up in their circles are educated on good touch vs bad touch.
 
  • #196
I think it's time for someone to take a long hard look at that family and what was going on. Multiple children from the same family don't wind up being pedophiles (allegedly) without some sort of issues going on imo.

Jim Bob's father was a shady guy who did a stint in prison for some financial crimes. And his granddaughter by his daughter says he was a pedophile.

So, did he pass these things off to his son who then proceeded to sire 19 kids? Kind of looks like a strong possibility at this point.
 
  • #197
Jim Bob's father was a shady guy who did a stint in prison for some financial crimes. And his granddaughter by his daughter says he was a pedophile.

So, did he pass these things off to his son who then proceeded to sire 19 kids? Kind of looks like a strong possibility at this point.

Now that is interesting. Could that be why his son, JimBob wanted to be "Holier than Thou" and reject everything to keep his family pure?

There have been many studies done on genetic antisocial behavior. Following genealogy, and even adoptions, to see if it is "nature" or "nurture". This demonstrates, that there are some things that are genetically predisposed to.
 
  • #198
Now that is interesting. Could that be why his son, JimBob wanted to be "Holier than Thou" and reject everything to keep his family pure?

There have been many studies done on genetic antisocial behavior. Following genealogy, and even adoptions, to see if it is "nature" or "nurture". This demonstrates, that there are some things that are genetically predisposed to.
Yes however some of the doctrine they subscribed to imo made it easier to victimize and abuse...and IIRC he and his wife became more restrictive in their life when they had children. The grandfather reportedly had issues, did others also pass on these issues and behaviors? JMO only...perhaps Kendra was arrested as they saw an opportunity to interview joe's kids by charging them both with something that may have been illegal but normally they wouldn't bother with (e.g. the locks on the doors etc)...I had heard that Josh's wife never let the kids be interviewed...JMO...
 
  • #199
I have no idea who the child was. I think speculating creates information on the internet that points to a certain child. The privacy of this young girl shouid be something that we all protect.

For me, it is enough to focus on the bad guy who has abused a child AND anyone else in that family who assisted, harbored, or minimized his behavior. The final question is if any other child in his sphere has been abused. The child who told her father has an adult with sense who was not going to hide the crime. There may be other Duggar family members whose children are at risk and their parents/guardians may be silent on protecting them.
My understanding is victims are usually family/someone with close accessibility. We can speculate all day, but odds are this would follow the same pattern...It isn't hard to guess who the victim might be but what is the point of doing that? It is enough to remind people that victims are usually closer to their abuser then it being a stranger and leave it at that imo....
 
  • #200
Yes however some of the doctrine they subscribed to imo made it easier to victimize and abuse...and IIRC he and his wife became more restrictive in their life when they had children. The grandfather reportedly had issues, did others also pass on these issues and behaviors? JMO only...perhaps Kendra was arrested as they saw an opportunity to interview joe's kids by charging them both with something that may have been illegal but normally they wouldn't bother with (e.g. the locks on the doors etc)...I had heard that Josh's wife never let the kids be interviewed...JMO...

I always wondered about that. How can a parent refuse a CPS request for investigation? I can see why they would want to, but since CPS primarily investigates primary caregivers, that would be the parents.
 

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