FL - Shannon Dedrick, 7 mo., Chipley, 31 Oct 2009 #3

[joybell]

does anyone know the other 2 people that was living in the trailer with the parents of shannon lea...i think i found something....could one of those people be a daughter...do we really know if she has any children of her own....if someone remembers...please help me...i'm looking for the other female that lived in the trailer....please tell me it doesn't start with a "E".....hurry i'm going crazzzzzzzzzy

 

[elepher50]

I don't understand the thought that there's anything like Munchausen Syndrome displayed by SB. There are two forms: Munchausen syndrome and Munchausen syndrome by proxy. Both involve either faking or deliberately inducing conditions requiring medical attention, in order to get medical attention and the general attention and sympathy which ordinarily accompanies illness serious enough to require medical attention. The "plain" Munchausen syndrome is when the person makes themselves the patient, and the "by proxy" Munchausen syndrome is when the person makes some other person (who is not knowingly cooperating in the fraud) the patient -- in most cases, the proxy is a child because 1) young children aren't able to understand everything that's going on and tell other people, and 2) the sympathy and attention and tangible assistance customarily rendered to a parent of a very sick child is huge draw to someone inclined towards this sort of thing.

There's no evidence that SB has evidence faked or caused medical problems in herself or others, and then sought medical attention for it. She brutally abused a little girl, but that wasn't discovered until an big investigation was launched into the disappearance of the girl's sibling, with SB as a suspect. It's not like SB was brutalizing the little girl and constantly running her to the ER claiming accidents or that somebody else had hurt her. She concealed the abuse for as long as she could. And in the case of Shannon, there's no evidence that anybody had ever faked or caused illness or injury to her. Making a false complaint of child abuse certainly doesn't qualify as Munchausen by proxy -- if she actually inflicted the abuse, and then sought medical attention for it, claiming somebody else did it, that *might* qualify as some sort of Munchausen by proxy, if her chief purpose was to draw attention and sympathy to herself.

One of the talking heads on NG tonight mentioned that SB could have the markers of this syndrome and I didn't really know what it was - all the explanations now have cleared it up - no where near Munchausen's. And thanks for explaining it so very clearly, now if I can only retain the information for the future ..........

 

[Amster]

An "E" female did live there

 

[elepher50]

does anyone know the other 2 people that was living in the trailer with the parents of shannon lea...i think i found something....could one of those people be a daughter...do we really know if she has any children of her own....if someone remembers...please help me...i'm looking for the other female that lived in the trailer....please tell me it doesn't start with a "E".....hurry i'm going crazzzzzzzzzy

It starts with an E as in Erica.

 

[CuriousTwo]

Wonder if the POI was attempting to commit a "copycat" of the Haleigh Cummings case ... child reportedly being taken from its home ... specifically, from the parent's bedroom?

 

[joybell]

one of her friend on ms has a pic up with he and tm in it...and the next one is of a baby....this individual is a friend to alot of friends on her myspace...no u maynot see there info but you can look at their friends..and alot of them let u look and pics....very interesting...i've been cross referencing friends...alot of info...

 

[GourmetSoy]

does anyone know the other 2 people that was living in the trailer with the parents of shannon lea...i think i found something....could one of those people be a daughter...do we really know if she has any children of her own....if someone remembers...please help me...i'm looking for the other female that lived in the trailer....please tell me it doesn't start with a "E".....hurry i'm going crazzzzzzzzzy

Yes, it starts with an "E" from what I remember. What did you find?

 

[joybell]

yes, i knew it ....on her blog she mentioned she was about to go outside...."e" wants to go for a swim...please excuse me...i don't know what i can say and what i can't....and she was sure glad "E" was feeling better...

 

[joybell]

is erica a relative of sb...something is up...r have yall already figured this out...i'm slow...

 

[joybell]

is that why she was so upset...and that's why she was over there all the time....checkin on her daughter...

 

[elepher50]

is erica a relative of sb...something is up...r have yall already figured this out...i'm slow...

Threre are two Erica persons .. a child that was just borned this summer and then another one of adult size that lived in the mobile with Shannon's parents. Erica the child jsut borned this summer is the great niece of SB.

 

[GourmetSoy]

is erica a relative of sb...something is up...r have yall already figured this out...i'm slow...

All I know is RD and SB are siblings(possibly by adoption?) and "E" lived in the same house as TM and RD with Shannon and another adult I think. Other than that I'm lost?

 

[Salem]

is that why she was so upset...and that's why she was over there all the time....checkin on her daughter...

Ummm..... NO. The step-daughter was 6 years old in 1989. She would be 26 now, if I understand what you are asking?

Salem

 

[CuriousTwo]

I'm slow, too! LOL! Are you all saying that SB is related to two of the people living with Shannon and her mom? She's related to Rusty (listed as the father on Shannon's birth certificate), and also related to a female roommate in the home? Appreciate any clarification. I'll try to keep up!

 

[Salem]

All I know is RD and SB are siblings(possibly by adoption?) and "E" lived in the same house as TM and RD with Shannon and another adult I think. Other than that I'm lost?

Actually it is RD, Sr. that may possibly be SB's adopted sibling. RD, Jr. is Shannon's dad, so if there is any truth in the adoption, then SB would be RD, Jr.'s aunt by adoption.

Does that make sense?

Also, from the DCF report, I understood that TM and RD no longer had roommates. They were living on their own with little Shannon.

Salem

 

[pinkpuddytat]

is erica a relative of sb...something is up...r have yall already figured this out...i'm slow...

If Erica is a relative of SB, SB sure didn't mention that in her letter to the Governor, in which she accused Erica (along with Michael) of shaking the baby and smoking cigarettes and drugs in the same room as the baby. If Erica is indeed a child (as has been mentioned on these threads, though I haven't seen the original source), those are some pretty huge accusations to be making against a child, and it would be seriously bizarre (though well within SB's capacity IMO) to make such accusations about a chld who's related to you, without mentioning the relationship. On the other hand, as I've pointed out before, SB seems to have claimed in many places to be related to Shannon through Shannon's father, and yet claimed in her letter to the Governor that Rusty is not really Shannon's father, and didn't mention that she'd elsewhere claimed a relationship to Shannon through Rusty.

Is there any possibility there are TWO people named Erica involved in this mess? One and adult and one a child?

 

[Salem]

Threre are two Erica persons .. a child that was just borned this summer and then another one of adult size that lived in the mobile with Shannon's parents. Erica the child jsut borned this summer is the great niece of SB.

Okay - so I guess I misunderstood this also. I don't remember the adult Erica?

Also, the DCF report said TM and RD no longer had roommates when they moved to the trailer?

Salem

 

[CuriousTwo]

Actually it is RD, Sr. that may possibly be SB's adopted sibling. RD, Jr. is Shannon's dad, so if there is any truth in the adoption, then SB would be RD, Jr.'s aunt by adoption.

Does that make sense?

Also, from the DCF report, I understood that TM and RD no longer had roommates. They were living on their own with little Shannon.

Salem

That's right, IIRC ... they stated that the roommates weren't paying their share of the rent and Shannon and TM/RD relocated and contacted CPS to advise them of their new home address.

 

[Bree0372]

Wow people!

Awesome coverage of this case! No stone unturned.

One thing, though... not sure if anyone has thought of this...

As a mother of three I know that around 7 months kids still need to eat and have diapers changed around every three hours.

Mine had a feeding and change of diapers around 5-6am, then another around 9:00am, then another around 11-12noon.

If the parents of this child saw her last around 3:00am, and the next time they checked on her was 11:30am?? ...

When did this baby have her diapers changed? When was she fed? By whom?

What was this baby's schedule?

:waitasec:

I have a 6 month old and he is fed every 3 hours while he is awake. He goes to bed about 10ish and wakes up around 9ish. He sleeps through the night and has since birth (not quite as long as he does now though). My son's pediatrician has advised us not to wake him up. She said that he will let us know when he is hungry and he does.

I do check on him through the night though. His crib is located on my side of the bed. If he turns over, moves his arm, makes a noise...I'm awake! I used to be a very sound sleeper; not anymore.

 

[GourmetSoy]

Actually it is RD, Sr. that may possibly be SB's adopted sibling. RD, Jr. is Shannon's dad, so if there is any truth in the adoption, then SB would be RD, Jr.'s aunt by adoption.

Does that make sense?

Also, from the DCF report, I understood that TM and RD no longer had roommates. They were living on their own with little Shannon.

Salem

Thanks so much Salem, that makes more sense!