FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #16

[SharetheLight]

I came across this:
http://www.redorbit.com/news/general/151313/girl_8_found_buried_alive_in_trash_bin/index.html

it's a case from 2005. not much similarity to this case but it is a case of an 8yr old girl that was taken, sexually assualted, and buried alive in trash. An officer found her buried alive in a landfill. A 17 year old was charged with the crime. A 17 yr old with a petty record, no major crimes listed.

So maybe a teen took Somer, somehow and tossed her in a dumpster alive, but with things piled on top so she couldn't get out?? Or maybe she was dead when she was put in the dumpster. This article just got me thinking.

The odd part was the 17 yr. old was able to take her out of the home she was spending the night in and the girls godmother was in the house at the time, asleep. The 17 yr. old was temporarily living there. Weird. I guess anything can happen.

 

[MoEquineFan]

I finally took the leap, and instead of just "lurking" I wanted to post a few things that have been nagging me; I have read random posts from the beginning and every now and then things stick and then come back. The LE connection is something that has recently come up and has been bugging me. Several years ago in CA there was a CHP officer who was highly regarded - doing televised PSA's etc., and who was eventually convicted of murder - it started with stopping women under the guise of some infraction, which eventually escalated to murder. Another was a serial rapist, who was ultimately brought down by the description of a LE issued flashlight. It seems as if there is not enough to go on to arrest any of the POI's mentioned; and certainly with the amount of RSO's in the area that would be a huge red flag and a natural place to start. However - there seems to be no clear suspect(s) and in today's world, it seems as if nothing can be too far fetched -- here I go:

1. Yes, it was brilliant to track the garbage trucks to the landfill almost immediately (and a hard route to follow at that) - in most cases that occurs further along in an investigation; - LE
2. The "undercover" cop in the blue (?) car - LE
3. In an earlier post, it was mentioned about the soot - or like "fingerprinting dust" -LE
4. There was a somewhat vague and mysterious poster by BSO67 I believe - they were intimating that they had possible 'inside' knowledge' - saying things to the effect that the clues are right in front of everyone - just look beyond the obvious - does anyone see any connection in the initials? Maybe that was a clue to look elsewhere - LE

I don't know - it's disturbing and sad to even think of this angle - I hope all of you more expert sleuthers can poke some holes in this - I see a lot of you are regular posters and really go above and beyond...something's gotta give - thanks!

Hi MrTabby - welcome in from lurking!

I have been reading the Somer case a bit but not keeping up by any stretch. Your comments on the "mystery poster" got my interest so I went and found the posts you mentioned:

Slow Down Girls!
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I sincerely apologize if I have offended anyone. I mean no harm, I am only trying to get you focused in the right direction, as I believe it to be.

I have extensive training in body language/micro-expressions/investigative discourse analysis. So before anyone turns me into the police or shuts my account down or calls J. Edgar Hoosits, I will explain my posts. Please understand I have no direct knowledge of this investigation. But I know what I see and hear on TV. What follows is my opinion:

Mom is hiding something, unquestionably. I do not believe she committed this crime, but she knows who did. Listen to her statements...and I mean LISTEN, don't just hear them. Everything she says has meaning. Listen to what says and doesn't say. Think like a psychologist. Listen also for the very subtle mistakes, or "brain farts".

The micro-expressions are fascinating. There are more than a few. They are very hard to see, but they are there.

Crying is another matter. She appears to be faking it, but we don't know what meds she may be on that may be causing the effect HOWEVER: Meds that affect crying will almost always affect her speech in some detrimental fashion, and I do not see that. But, and this is a big "but", I do not know what is normal speech for her.

Geographic profiling: Look at the "Google" maps everyone has so adeptly posted here. They speak volumes. Look at the location of 1080 Gano and the bathroom that was searched in relation to "other" locations.

The police report also gives us an interesting tidbit in the first movements after notification of Somer's unaccountability.

Put it altogether, girls! There are only two viable suspects. I can't narrow it any further at this time without additional information.

Again, this is my opinion only. I am truly sorry if I offended. I have little experience in forums.

I'll sit back and take your assaults. I guess I do deserve them. I'll also watch as this unfolds as I've said.

Hint

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Good morning,
The vast majority on here are looking in the wrong direction. Pay particular attention to body language/discourse analysis in the interviews on the day of this crime, and on days immediately after.
Once you have done so, you will know more.
Add this to information gleaned from the police report, google maps and police procedure and you will know who murdered this child.

Thank you.

All I can say is WOW - this person seems to know something. Kinda creepy...

 

[mrtabby]

Thanks for the welcome --still learning how all this works! It does sound like BSO knows something - is there anyone who can find that post about the soot/fingerprint dust? - it seemed like such a random think to say - I have no idea what thread it was in -

 

[Noway]

I disagree with BSU knowing anything (about this case).

Read [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4342153&postcount=256"]this post by BSU1967[/ame].

He/she gives list of things to do and then says if you do those things, you'll know who murdered Somer.

Um ... if you (talking to BSU here) did those things, followed those steps, and you know who murdered Somer then why haven't you gone to LE?

Here is the post by BSU; couldn't quote it so pulled it in this way.

Good morning,
The vast majority on here are looking in the wrong direction. Pay particular attention to body language/discourse analysis in the interviews on the day of this crime, and on days immediately after.
Once you have done so, you will know more.
Add this to information gleaned from the police report, google maps and police procedure and you will know who murdered this child.

Thank you.

 

[SharetheLight]

I don't think BSU knows anything but if I play devil's advocate, what if BSU was one of the loving family members who knows something about someone but doesn't want to turn them in.
Again, I do NOT think BSU knows anything, just speculating on Noway's post about why BSU wouldn't go to LE.

 

[Noway]

That is something I never thought of.

If that's true, I'd tell him to man up and turn the creep in ... tough love, baby.

 

[doggies]

What do we know about the live-in boyfriend? I don't think we know where he works (or even if he does), his background, how long he's lived there, or how he interacts w/the children. Is he the reason the oldest, 13-year old boy may or may not live at home? Was there friction?
While I've seen (and asked, myself) a lot of questions about SP, CPC seems to be getting a pass.
[ame="http://www.scribd.com/doc/21469864/Somer-Thompson-Police-Report"]Somer Thompson Police Report@@AMEPARAM@@/docinfo/21469864?access_key=key-1wypsf26nmnm366i5yp6@@AMEPARAM@@21469864@@AMEPARAM@@key-1wypsf26nmnm366i5yp6[/ame]
There's Old Castle listed as employer, but no addy given. Wonder why?
If anyone knew Somer's peccadilloes, it would be he. Maybe I've just been thinking too far afield.
Is this the Oldcastle he works for?
For Turnkey Development /General Contracting
Can anyone tell me where he's from?
I know (or think I remember he's on MySpace, but I don't have an acct there).
Thanks in advance. I just think he needs looking into a little deeper.

 

[sorrell skye]

mrtabby - :Welcome-12-june:

I have to ask, since you brought it up - how could Somer have come into contact with fingerprint dust?

ETA: I know what you're alluding to, but what I'm asking for is a viable scenario.

 

[SharetheLight]

http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-Tru...ool-totes?cid=channel-rss-Society_and_Culture

I think this article may have been posted already, but this really hit me hard:

As the child homicide's intense investigation reaches its third week, Sheriff Beseler also related on the show that no substantial leads have resulted from the 3,000 tips he and his agency have acquired since Somer's body was found.

And I also find the wording interesting "since Somer's body was found".
So either they really have no clue, or they received some substantial lead(s) prior to her body being found.
I hope it's the latter.

 

[Noway]

Based on the Business phone number he gave in MPR, I had him working here. I don't know if it's correct. The telephone numbers match, though.

 

[sorrell skye]

Sorrell - that story could have easily had a much worse outcome. I'm so glad that your daughter (and you) made it through that. How scary! I think you're right that people will go to all lengths to protect their family - and sometimes their friends. People have a lot of difficulty also in just accepting that someone they know could do something horrible. It's like they think if they don't believe it, then it didn't really happen. They can wish it away.

Thank you hope!
Yes, you're right, it could have turned out much worse than it did! I've learned since then not to take anyone or anything for granted! I've also learned (as my two daughters have) how to spot the subtle behaviors of potentially harmful people - even when they have a big friendly smile on their face!

I do understand how difficult it can be to accept that a family member or friend could be capable of hurting someone. When you know the good in someone, it's almost impossible to acknowledge they could be capable of evil, especially when you're that someone's mother. I suppose it's almost as painful as being the mother of the one who was harmed by that someone.

 

[amysmom]

And that's another detail we don't know about...if she did in fact have the hat and scarf on that day and if those items were found.

bbm

But no coat?..Makes no sense even for a child..btw..do we know am temp that day?

eta..it has not been cold enough yet for hat and scarf even here in ne

 

[mrtabby]

sorrell skye - thank you for the welcome! Re: fingerprint dust - I've read so much about this case - from the posts here to the local papers - I believe it came up during an interview w/Somer's father - and it was in the context of soot and LE fingerprint dust - it was such a random connection (to me anyway - or is the lingo IMO?) for a lay person to make - maybe he was saying they had dusted for fingerprints - there's just a big piece of this puzzle missing - it's hard to believe it looked like it was coming together so quickly and still nothing - odd.

 

[doggies]

Based on the Business phone number he gave in MPR, I had him working here. I don't know if it's correct. The telephone numbers match, though.

That's what I thought, too.

MrTabby, :Welcome-12-june: It's always nice to have fresh perspectives.

So this is construction, for mr (C) P C-I gather he goes by his middle name, and on another site (I don't think I can name others, here) it was said he was from Glen St Mary, which has ties to Haleigh Cummings.

tp://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1495715/haleigh_cummings_ties_to_small_town.html

"...Her Mother, crystal Sheffield, actually lives on the outskirts of Macclenny in a small community by the name of Glen St. Mary's. Glen St. Mary is even smaller than Macclenny..."
I have to say again that I would love to know how Diena called him on the day Somer went missing-was it a cell phone? If so, he could have been anywhere. Being as this is a construction company, being "at work" doesn't mean to me that he was at the company address.

 

[momtective]

bbm

But no coat?..Makes no sense even for a child..btw..do we know am temp that day?

eta..it has not been cold enough yet for hat and scarf even here in ne

Oct.18th temperatures Low 50 °F
Oct.19th temperatures High 66 °F Low 52 °F
Oct 19th early morning temp 5:53 AM-7:53 AM 52.0 °F (Arrival @ school 8ish)
Oct 19th afternoon temp 2:53 PM 66.0 °F (Somer's Walk home)
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KNIP/2009/10/19/DailyHistory.html

Very possible she was wearing a hat and scarf.

 

[SharetheLight]

I am wondering about anyone in the area that has been charged with rape but hasn't gone to trial yet, or has been convicted of rape but hasn't been sentenced yet. I doubt these individuals would be out of jail, but stranger things have happened. If they've made bond, they would be out on the street, and not registered as a SO yet.

I am also wondering about any recent rapes in the area (unsolved). Have any of the locals heard about any rapes in the area lately (prior to Somer going missing)?

I think about Philip Garrido and he was charged/convicted of rape, let out and then he took jaycee. And his rape victim was a woman not a child. So just trying to think around things here.

 

[doggies]

Mrtabby, it is indeed odd. I'm about ready to swear LE doesn't want information! I just can't figure out why they won't give people some information that might help. *Sigh*
Sorrell Skye, your story should be mandatory reading for all young women. I am so so sorry it happened, but oh so grateful it turned out the way it did. Thank you for sharing.

 

[amysmom]

may have been wearing a white hat and a white scarf.

White hat and white scarf can be found in the home if not worn that day so they are there or they are not.

Which is it?

 

[SharetheLight]

That's what I thought, too.

MrTabby, :Welcome-12-june: It's always nice to have fresh perspectives.

So this is construction, for mr (C) P C-I gather he goes by his middle name, and on another site (I don't think I can name others, here) it was said he was from Glen St Mary, which has ties to Haleigh Cummings.

tp://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1495715/haleigh_cummings_ties_to_small_town.html

"...Her Mother, crystal Sheffield, actually lives on the outskirts of Macclenny in a small community by the name of Glen St. Mary's. Glen St. Mary is even smaller than Macclenny..."
I have to say again that I would love to know how Diena called him on the day Somer went missing-was it a cell phone? If so, he could have been anywhere. Being as this is a construction company, being "at work" doesn't mean to me that he was at the company address.

Isn't CPC the "trashy" truck driver that was discussed? if so, it was discussed that he drove a peterbilt truck, he is a truck driver of sorts not a construction worker. which I think fits in with this company if he was delivering these goods or something.

 

[sorrell skye]

I've looked up CPC's employer (Oldcastle Precast) per the MPR, and they're a manufacturer of precast concrete for building supplies used in commercial, residential, and municipal construction. There's a location in Jacksonville.