FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #30

[houndstooth]

I haven't said boo about your theory, I'm simply posting links hoping they provide something to go on.

And does a bear **** in the woods????? YES >>> i've reviewed the link to landfill pics posted by ccane....

Did you notice the caption noted in the very first ariel shot - pic #7 of 18??? It reads Skywitness 9 News flew over the landfill on THURSDAY!

Sorry to interrupt. Continue.

No, I didn't. I was on close caption mode. Thanks for the update.
I still hope she was found as early and in as best shape as possible.
No matter what.

 

[4mer.naybor]

I must have missed the info. Was there an abusive boyfriend or volatile relationship back in 2008?

thats when DT shared this news with our common friend, I just don't know if she was dating CP at that time, or some guy that we dont know of.....


then theres the fact that on video she said "it could be my...." . never finishing that sentence

 

[4mer.naybor]

4mer...do you know how long she's been "with" CPC - didn't someone say approx 3 years???

I honestly dont know


but you know who might.....iwannano......where the heck did that poster disappear to?

 

[4mer.naybor]

ok im back to hunting and fishing again for a while, so forgive me in advance for any delays in responding to posts.

 

[tarabull]

No, I didn't. I was on close caption mode. Thanks for the update.
I still hope she was found as early and in as best shape as possible.
No matter what.

YOU are not alone there houndstooth.

YOUR frustration isn't felt alone either.

WE need answers but I gotta believe no one wants them more than LE.

ALL eyes are on them.....well plus a couple of other people.

 

[4mer.naybor]

on 2nd thought....im off to bed...g'night all

 

[Chickadee]

Some of you may have seen this but it's new to me. It's a traveling Facebook message that released a virtual balloon for Somer. There are 3,404 comments, a lot of them from locals and some seem pretty interesting:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php.../carolyn.sue1?v=feed&story_fbid=5003341077142

The nice lady who has this Facebook account has nothing special to do with Somer's case, she's just a commenter who has a public wall.

Chili, I've tried 5 times to get your link to load and keep getting this: The page you requested was not found.

Maybe my computer is acting up again, IDK!?!?!?! :headache:

 

[Chickadee]

Just saw this comment from DT's oldest sister on the Remembering Somer website.

Comment by Dawn B. 14 hours ago

Thank you Diena and her kids are doing well and going to therapy I read on hear everyday and tell her all the wonderful things people are sayin the supoort our time will come and this person should start to pray..Were comin to get you whoever it is....

Thank you
Dawn B.

 

[Trino]

Just saw this comment from DT's oldest sister on the Remembering Somer website.

Comment by Dawn B. 14 hours ago

Thank you Diena and her kids are doing well and going to therapy I read on hear everyday and tell her all the wonderful things people are sayin the supoort our time will come and this person should start to pray..Were comin to get you whoever it is....

Thank you
Dawn B.

Hopefully soon.

 

[Chickadee]

Since we have been discussing SP and CPC I re-visited the latter's MySpace page. A few things:

Under Interests:
"ridin' dirty on the motorcycle"! (punctuation his)
Truckin' in my Peterbilt!" (this is the kind of truck he drives for work?)

Also, under children:
"proud parent" Does this refer to DT's kids or does he have kids of his own - not that having his own kids would have anything to do with Somer unless he had mistreated them, etc. would give pause...

Under his friends, he has posted the Amber Alert pic of Somer, and he calls her "Oby", which I guess was his nickname for her.

On the MySpace, it lists June, 2007 so he may have indeed been "single" (i.e., not in relationship with DT at that time).

I would like to respond to Chee: As far as I know, nobody in Somer's immediate network of family or friends has been ruled out. I personally am trying to approach this from a detached manner, but using common sense with discretion and without being judgmental toward DT, I must hold to my opinion that Somer being young and having those well-known behaviors put her at risk for trouble waiting to happen.

On Noway's excellent summary, she highlights some of the former babysitter's remarks where she states that Somer's frequent "trips" (disappearances) would last from 20 minutes to an hour. DT left a list "in case" she was gone ... longer. How long is too long for a just-turned seven year old?

Timeline: CPC SAID that DT called and asked him to get off work (1620 hrs.) and that he arrived at the house (1700 hours), got the twin (left AT home?) and searched the neighborhood. This is what he told police.

DT told police that SP texted her 1600 hours. That leaves 20 minutes between the text and the call to boyfriend. This means DT was looking in the park and CPC would look in the neighborhood.

One also has to wonder why SP did not take the twin and AT and go out and look again after he texted DT.

BBM
According to Baker County Clerk of Courts he (PC) has a kid/s. Here's some of what it shows:

06/15/2007 .ORDER DETERMINING DELINQUENCY
06/04/2007 .LETTER
05/23/2007 .ORDER SETTING HEARING FOR JUNE 6 9 AM
02/21/2007 .ORDER DISMISSING PETITION
12/08/2006 .ORDER SETTING HEARING FOR PAY OR APEAR
12/06/2006 .ORDER ON DEFENDANTS CONTEST OF GARNISHMENT
12/06/2006 .AMENDED ORDER SETTING HEARING FOR DEC 6 AT 10 45 AM
11/30/2006 .MOTION FOR REHEARING AND MOT TO VACATE
11/29/2006 .ORDER SETTING HEARING FOR DEC 6 AT 10 45 AM
11/29/2006 .ORDER TO RELEASE SEIZED FUNDS
11/06/2006 .ORDER ON CHILD SUPPORT ENFORCEMENT HEARING
09/13/2006 .ORDER SETTING HEARING FOR OCT 4 AT 9 AM
11/02/2004 .ORDER ON CHILD SUPPORT ENFORCEMENT PROCEEDING
10/14/2004 .ORDER REGARDING SUPPORT CREDIT
09/10/2004 PETITION FOR DIRECT CREDIT
09/24/2002 FINAL JUDGMENT FOR CHILD SUPPORT UNCONNECTED 09/24/2002 INCOME DEDUCTION ORDER
09/10/2002 NOTICE OF FINAL HEARING
09/06/2002 OUTCOME OF MEDIATION CONFERENCE
09/06/2002 MEDIATION AGREEMENT
09/06/2002 CHILD SUPPORT GUIDELINES WORKSHEET
08/22/2002 AMENDED ORDER OF REFERRAL TO MEDIATION
08/08/2002 ORER OF REFERRAL TO MEDIATION
07/15/2002 CERTIFICATE OF PDR COURSE
06/27/2002 MOTION FOR DEFAULT/DEFAULT
05/29/2002 PETITION TO ESTABLISH CHILD SUPPORT
05/29/2002 FINANCIAL AFFIDAVIT
05/29/2002 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENCE

Also, Oby is not a nickname for Somer. Oby is listed as a friend of PC. A friend who I think appears to be a very nice guy! He's one of the few that has Somer as his user pic. Kudos to him!!!!!! His page: http://www.myspace.com/108013135

 

[camcneishg]

Is it possible to determine the pick-up day for that particular dumpster?

Who would have access to that information?

that dumpster was emptied on WED morning....the one that I found at OPAA

 

[camcneishg]

 

[pinamia]

You Are My Sunshine

Bet you can't get thru it without balling....

No, I've balled enough. I can't wait till they catch this monster who killed this sweet little girl.

I agree with hound. She must have been found before the dump. They probably found her in a garbage truck itself.

 

[ChickenPants]

Good morning everyone. I wish I could stay on here with you but I am off to work. Two thoughts since you've been talking location of dumpsters, etc.

The perp (if strong) could have easily put her in a garbage bag, tossed her in the car and driven to any dumpster to put in it, then covered it over with another or more bags or boxfulls of trash...nobody would necessarily notice. Remember also that people are now saying there are bits and pieces of ripped garbage bags in the landfill. I assume some of us have concluded that if she was in a bag, it might have ripped open after trash had been tossed around. Her legs were intact enough to make the birthmark discernable.

This putting her in trash and transferring it would not necessarily take much time, especially if planned. A perp who lives in area might not necessarily case out dumpsters but may know where some are because he has put trash there before. We know how long the defense questioned Scott P.'s ability to take his wife and throw her overboard in a small boat, and he is on death row....so...let us contemplate this possibility.

Key here is has LE (and I pray they have) asked people if they NOTICED PEOPLE PUTTING OUT TRASH OR SOMEONE DOING SOMETHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY WITH TRASH SUCH AS PUTTING TRASH IN THEIR CAR. Has anyone noticed someone (man) taking a large trash bag out of his CAR and putting it in a dumpster?

Also with reference to Somer going with a known person because he told her "come here, you are in trouble" (for running away), does anybody remember when she was missing DT saying, "Somer, please come home, you're not in trouble?" See you all later.

 

[ChickenPants]

As far as we know, any comments regarding "soot" and "construction debris/materials" are rumors.

LE has never officially released any info regarding either soot or construction debris/materials.

There have been several other rumors regarding COD/condition of victim's body, etc., that I won't repeat here, because until and unless I hear LE give that info - I'm considering it hearsay and unsubstantiated.

It could ultimately turn out that those rumors are true, but at this time they are rumors.

No offense to anyone who may have posted anything about them.

It gets confusing at times, and I myself have been confused right along with everyone else.

Amen to this...I want to say I admire how you all have intelligent discussions here and have obviously put a lot of heart and work into your research of this sad case. It is refreshing to be a part of discussions that don't denigrate into hate-mongering. It's obvious that everyone has opinions, but you try to state them respectfully, even if they are about someone you find absolutely distasteful and disgusting (such as RSO's). Also, everyone here seems to be more than willing to admit if they have made a mistake, and also to forgive others' mistakes. I've seen congressional hearings and debates in the U.S. Senate that aren't as "professional" or polite as these discussions so take time to affirm the good job you are all doing and the care you have for this little girl.

 

[pinamia]

Amen to this...I want to say I admire how you all have intelligent discussions here and have obviously put a lot of heart and work into your research of this sad case. It is refreshing to be a part of discussions that don't denigrate into hate-mongering. It's obvious that everyone has opinions, but you try to state them respectfully, even if they are about someone you find absolutely distasteful and disgusting (such as RSO's). Also, everyone here seems to be more than willing to admit if they have made a mistake, and also to forgive others' mistakes. I've seen congressional hearings and debates in the U.S. Senate that aren't as "professional" or polite as these discussions so take time to affirm the good job you are all doing and the care you have for this little girl.

The reason is the love we feel for Somer, a little girl who we didn't know in life but grown to care deeply about in death. We want to find out who did this to her and every detail about her. I guess you can say we are Somer junkies.

God bless Somer and all who loved her.

 

[ChickenPants]

I having been reading along a bit tonight and the posts regarding DT and her being afraid
of PC. I dont think this women is afraid of anything
She mimics the words and ideas of others and looks for sympathy from people she believes will be taken in by her stories
If they had said they thought Somer got hit by a bus she would have went with that theme
Remember when Casey A Mom said "who took her" when Lee was asking Casey what happen and the mom was listening in. As soon as she said that Casey got her idea
This is how they operate.. just make it up as they go along
I bet she told every boy friend she every had the last one treated her badly

She is a manipulator

C.Cane I am interested in what you are saying, and personally have thought the same thing many times. I WANT to believe very badly that DT was (1) not consciously involved (2) not an accessory (3) not covering for someone - way of being accessory...

Manipulators often CAN be afraid, as well. They get in over their heads, they go a little too far and they get away with things because they CAN. They need people in their lives to call them to account and this is a hard job and how the term "tough love" came into being - drugs and alcohol or not. It's all about how this person's choices affect others' lives and how far they can go before others get hurt. It's why a lot of them are estranged from family members. They get worn out dealing with these people.

Here I will say that I feel bad for the grandparents, too...but WHY did nobody urge DT to get better arrangements for these little children? She has family and sisters and neighbors ... nobody wanted to take the chance of her going off on them, or what? Someone on this thread has a quote that for evil to occur all it takes is for good people to do nothing. Sad that this is another case of hindsight and how things could have been done better. Unfortunately, with the case of manipulative people, it is often left to relatives to take on responsibilities for them...they get weary of it. Somer definitely fell through the cracks on this one, I am so sad to say.

This woman, as we know, has a documented history of failed relationships. Let me say here and now this is not a reason to judge her as I am sure we have all had our share. Some of us have had ones where it took tremendous courage to get out. BUT I am thinking of her choice of relationships now that she is a mother with 5 children, one of whom she lost custody of - one who was murdered. The activities she chooses to engage in, whether the children are exposed to them, the type of men she likes - whether they are really good for her kids, etc. The amount of males who come and go from the home who are very very good friends to her, but that does not mean they are very very good to the children. The lack of sensible, consistent child care arrangements. The discrepancies in interviews concerning pertinent facts. Enough said.

It doesn't matter if we classify her as a victim or a strong, well intentioned and concerned mother. What matters is how the facts and trends of behavior play out in reference to the murder of Somer. Now is the time for any relatives, friends, neighbors, former neighbors or co-workers of DT to drop any feelings they have about "betraying" her or her "family" (meaning CPC) and go to the police with ANY suspicion of complicity or ANY tiny questions about the behaviors of the men in her life. I just can't accept that people have not already done that. Which is why I hope LE is just waiting for the person to give himself enough rope.....

 

[ChickenPants]

Stayed up and talked to hubby. Very interesting post.

I don't think OPAA dumpster as it was a command post. Pretty tough to do it there.

Jr high would have to be late at night as I am sure custodians work late as they do at schools where I am. Don't know how late, but later than 5 PM when LE was on the scene at the home. So that means a different perp for sure.

The dump is a real mystery. Why in the heck are they following the dump trucks? They had so many people on board, you'd think they would have enough to check each one as each can is dumped or as each dumpster is dumped. There's only 9,000 people in OP if IIRC, so fewer households than that.

Having the garbage mixed in the semi makes no sense.

So what do you think LE is doing at the dump?

Trying to keep it simple in my simple mind, it seems fairly obvious to me that someone gave them a tip. Whether the tip was credible or not, it made a light bulb go off which illuminated the way and they were very very lucky to find her, patting themselves on the back. Strange, though, how the sheriff said once on TV that there was a particular officer who suggested it, and later said it was "standard procedure"...but I always put that down to the brotherhood where it is probably not politically correct to give one officer too much credit. From what I know of cops, they try to be humble and give credit to their fellow officers. Could be wrong on this one, could be wrong altogether. ONE TINY THING, folks, could break the case and so we wait...

 

[ChickenPants]

Keeping the media and the public preoccupied and distracted away from where the real investigation was ongoing. When reading Tara's post above from FBI/LE, if I substitute 'dumpster' for 'landfill' or maybe that OTHER landfill, it makes a whole lot more sense. There is no isolating of trash from those trucks as you can see in the photos. And remember this would be WEDNESDAY'S trash pick up routes being dumped in the photos. Not Tuesdays. I am interested in hearing you and your husbands brainstorming on this.

RE THE MEDIA (at this rate I will never get out of the house, lol): I find it so interesting that in the earliest reports on Jax4 they report that SP is DT's boyfriend? Now is this bad reporting...did they just assume because he was at the house he was her BF? Did they not check facts? OR did somebody tell them he was the BF? Keeping in mind that people say what they say under different circumstances. This was after the original MPR, too, so you'd think media would have at least read that and seen that CPC was listed as BF. Could they have interviewed SP and he told them he was the BF? Or was he really a BF? OR, did DT say it?

This leads me to another area. Everyone and their brother was interviewed on tv. I notice that SP is never interviewed. In the "if it was me" scenario, I might not have, as mom, cast direct blame on SP for anything, or have forgiven the stupidity of him sending out the other young child(ren) to search for their sister, but I don't think I would be strong enough to stomach him being a pallbearer. Well, we are surmising that CPC is the strong man she leans on. Usually we pick people who are pretty intimate to be pall bearers, though, in normal circumstances...but then, who is "normal" and I don't want to go there....thanks for reading, if you can get through my jumbled mind.

 

[ChickenPants]

BBM
According to Baker County Clerk of Courts he (PC) has a kid/s. Here's some of what it shows:

06/15/2007 .ORDER DETERMINING DELINQUENCY
06/04/2007 .LETTER
05/23/2007 .ORDER SETTING HEARING FOR JUNE 6 9 AM
02/21/2007 .ORDER DISMISSING PETITION
12/08/2006 .ORDER SETTING HEARING FOR PAY OR APEAR
12/06/2006 .ORDER ON DEFENDANTS CONTEST OF GARNISHMENT
12/06/2006 .AMENDED ORDER SETTING HEARING FOR DEC 6 AT 10 45 AM
11/30/2006 .MOTION FOR REHEARING AND MOT TO VACATE
11/29/2006 .ORDER SETTING HEARING FOR DEC 6 AT 10 45 AM
11/29/2006 .ORDER TO RELEASE SEIZED FUNDS
11/06/2006 .ORDER ON CHILD SUPPORT ENFORCEMENT HEARING
09/13/2006 .ORDER SETTING HEARING FOR OCT 4 AT 9 AM
11/02/2004 .ORDER ON CHILD SUPPORT ENFORCEMENT PROCEEDING
10/14/2004 .ORDER REGARDING SUPPORT CREDIT
09/10/2004 PETITION FOR DIRECT CREDIT
09/24/2002 FINAL JUDGMENT FOR CHILD SUPPORT UNCONNECTED 09/24/2002 INCOME DEDUCTION ORDER
09/10/2002 NOTICE OF FINAL HEARING
09/06/2002 OUTCOME OF MEDIATION CONFERENCE
09/06/2002 MEDIATION AGREEMENT
09/06/2002 CHILD SUPPORT GUIDELINES WORKSHEET
08/22/2002 AMENDED ORDER OF REFERRAL TO MEDIATION
08/08/2002 ORER OF REFERRAL TO MEDIATION
07/15/2002 CERTIFICATE OF PDR COURSE
06/27/2002 MOTION FOR DEFAULT/DEFAULT
05/29/2002 PETITION TO ESTABLISH CHILD SUPPORT
05/29/2002 FINANCIAL AFFIDAVIT
05/29/2002 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENCE

Also, Oby is not a nickname for Somer. Oby is listed as a friend of PC. A friend who I think appears to be a very nice guy! He's one of the few that has Somer as his user pic. Kudos to him!!!!!! His page: http://www.myspace.com/108013135

Thanks for your hard work here. Re: Oby. I can see how this was confusing. I wonder if CPC ever has his kids there and how DT and the other kids get along. Apparently he hasn't been too good with his payments. Not out of the ordinary in this world.