FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #30

[sadnpod]

I asked for concrete proof that the DCF was previously called to investigate DT last year (which was said by a poster)... that's all. Is this a fact or just hearsay...because if it is a fact, then apparently they did not find sufficient evidence to remove the kids from her care - kwim?

Ive reviewed past posts and I cant find anywhere that a poster said DCF was previously called to investigate DT last year.. can I see a post, please?? TIA

 

[Cheewawa007]

No opportunity isn't always there. You can't leave a child unsupervised and then say it's the murderers fault alone. Kids need to be supervised.

Opportunity decreases with supervision if it didn't the list would be through the roof. Polly Klass, Jessica Lunsford Danielle Van Damm and Elizabeth Smart were taken from their own homes in the middle of the night. A simple alarm system could have helped. Samantha Runyion was left unsupervised outside by her grandmother.

http://www.happinessonline.org/LoveAndHelpChildren/index.html

I don't think I'm going to be able to get a good night sleep from this point forward. I don't have an alarm system in my home, and heaven forbid someone breaks in and murders someone in my family. I will be raked over the coals and it will be partially my fault because I didn't have an alarm system. And living with the guilt for the rest of my life knowing, if I'd only had an alarm system, my family member might still be alive. Mercy me.

 

[Cheewawa007]

Ive reviewed past posts and I cant find anywhere that a poster said DCF was previously called to investigate DT last year.. can I see a post, please?? TIA

I really don't have the time nor the desire to go dig it up right now - sorry sad..but I'll sure put that on my list of things to do when I have some time.

 

[trigger]

Are there any new facts or any new information released on Somers Murder.Maybe it's good to stick and look at most of the facts known on Somers case.Maybe we will hear more soon.

I keep in mine what LE said....

“I don’t want people to think that just because we don’t have a suspect in custody after a week that means this case is not going to be solved,” he said. “We have got a tremendous amount of evidence. We have a tremendous amount of leads.”

http://jacksonville.com/community/m...ge_crowd_expected_for_somer_thompsons_funeral

 

[Noway]

I don't think I'm going to be able to get a good night sleep from this point forward. I don't have an alarm system in my home, and heaven forbid someone breaks in and murders someone in my family. I will be raked over the coals and it will be partially my fault because I didn't have an alarm system. And living with the guilt for the rest of my life knowing, if I'd only had an alarm system, my family member might still be alive. Mercy me.

Chee, I was just going to ask how many here had alarm systems (but instruct everyone not to answer) ... and wonder whether anyone here would blame someone for their child being abducted from their home because they did not have an alarm system.

I think not. I hope not.

 

[Noway]

I vaguely remember something about that topic (Child Services) after a post where I said I didn't think Diena was negligent for letting her kids walk home. I think it was just a theory but hope that helps whoever goes into the pit.

 

[sadnpod]

Is it just me??

I have wondered more about this case than I can possibly put into words.
But some main points.

I wondered if DT did drugs, I have not seen any evidence, although I have speculated, about her and her friends. To understand somers environment. I never heard any reference to her drug use until her so called very good friend said it on a comment on my profile.

I have wondered if DT's negligence would be criminal and another DT supporter posts that she has been accused of negligent homicide by a poster, yet I never saw that posted before that poster posted it, either.

I wondered about dfcs being called on her. Or Sam. Or PC. Again I have not seen any evidence until a poster who consistently defends DT claims to know a friend of a friend or something like that asks for concrete evidence and then tells us that another poster said dfcs was called on DT last year. A post I cannot find anywhere. The date stamp of this dfcs visit makes me go hmmmmm.

All of these references have made me believe things I only speculated about prior to these friends or supporters dropping in their two cents. my edit: I need to clarify that I still do not believe that dt is guilty of negligent homicide.

I will gladly eat crow if anyone can show me posts where these ideas were given as facts prior to these posters referencing (without linking) these posts. Anyone?

 

[ChickenPants]

I agree with you that the opportunity was there, and was there often, as the perp may have known. However, sadly, if someone Somer knew personally wanted her gone (in retaliation for something or for any other reason), they would have found a way even if she had been better supervised.

I agree with you. However, she was unsupervised, which made the likelihood of opportunity of a crime even greater.

 

[ChickenPants]

I don't think I'm going to be able to get a good night sleep from this point forward. I don't have an alarm system in my home, and heaven forbid someone breaks in and murders someone in my family. I will be raked over the coals and it will be partially my fault because I didn't have an alarm system. And living with the guilt for the rest of my life knowing, if I'd only had an alarm system, my family member might still be alive. Mercy me.

Probaby nobody will break in and kill you in your home. But if you go around everyday with a few hundred dollars hanging out of your wallet and travel the same road alone the likelihood is greater of your getting hit over the head and robbed.

 

[trigger]

I don't think I'm going to be able to get a good night sleep from this point forward. I don't have an alarm system in my home, and heaven forbid someone breaks in and murders someone in my family. I will be raked over the coals and it will be partially my fault because I didn't have an alarm system. And living with the guilt for the rest of my life knowing, if I'd only had an alarm system, my family member might still be alive. Mercy me.

Thats why my family got a puppy last year. LOL..But you can do things to be safe like put beware of dog signs around outside. They also have fake surveilnace cameras that look real we had one outside of our previous home , I think it was $10. Also you can get a alarm sticker ex: monitored by ADT that you can put in your window or door. Keep hedges low and always have your outside lights on.....Hope that helps Chee...

 

[Cheewawa007]

Chee, I was just going to ask how many here had alarm systems (but instruct everyone not to answer) ... and wonder whether anyone here would blame someone for their child being abducted from their home because they did not have an alarm system.

I think not. I hope not.

I would hope not as well.

 

[pinamia]

Chee, I was just going to ask how many here had alarm systems (but instruct everyone not to answer) ... and wonder whether anyone here would blame someone for their child being abducted from their home because they did not have an alarm system.

I think not. I hope not.

I have an alarm system and need one. I have a son that use to wander because of autism. There are many people who have an alarm system or a dog for protection. Some even have guns. Unfortunately, this is the world we live in. You can not blame or blame but what is wrong with having some protection? After the fact is too late.

 

[Cheewawa007]

Is it just me??

I have wondered more about this case than I can possibly put into words.
But some main points.

I wondered if DT did drugs, I have not seen any evidence, although I have speculated, about her and her friends. To understand somers environment. I never heard any reference to her drug use until her so called very good friend said it on a comment on my profile.

I have wondered if DT's negligence would be criminal and another DT supporter posts that she has been accused of negligent homicide by a poster, yet I never saw that posted before that poster posted it, either.

I wondered about dfcs being called on her. Or Sam. Or PC. Again I have not seen any evidence until a poster who consistently defends DT claims to know a friend of a friend or something like that asks for concrete evidence and then tells us that another poster said dfcs was called on DT last year. A post I cannot find anywhere. The date stamp of this dfcs visit makes me go hmmmmm.

All of these references have made me believe things I only speculated about prior to these friends or supporters dropping in their two cents.

I will gladly eat crow if anyone can show me posts where these ideas were given as facts prior to these posters referencing (without linking) these posts. Anyone?

It must be just you.... and the poster you are referring to has a name... and that name is wawa...cheewawa. The date stamp of this dfcs visit makes you go hmmmm? Several things posted by posters make me go hmmmm. So I guess we'll sit back and let the chips fall where they may. Keep searching..... I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for.

 

[ChickenPants]

I vaguely remember something about that topic (Child Services) after a post where I said I didn't think Diena was negligent for letting her kids walk home. I think it was just a theory but hope that helps whoever goes into the pit.

I will go out on a shaky limb here. I do not think DT was negligent for allowing her kids to walk home alone, especially in a large group where a lot of kids and some adults would have been present. I question whether there was consistently an adult at home to receive them. If not, I consider that neglect.

The fact is that Somer did not stay with the group. She routinely ran off, usually in a huff, to a variety of places, and it is strange that nobody ever followed her or asked her what she was doing, or is there evidence that anyone looked into the cause, etc. I am saying this happened over a period of time and was noted by several people.

The older sister was placed in the position of monitoring this child. If that is hard for a 10 year old to do, it is harder for a sibling. Younger children do not like to be told what to do by older siblings. We've established that the appropriate age for a babysitter is legally 16. We do not know if AT had to babysit these twins or for how long after school or if there were ever adults present with the exception of the day SP was there. Neglect.

Plenty of posters and other sources have revealed that DT was a proponent of a certain drug and its documented that CPC's first favorite activity is . There is no hard evidence that drugs were used or watched in the near vicinity of these kids, but common sense says that the likelihood is yes. IF DCF found these factors, they would be remiss in not following up.

We are not bashing DT because she has had 5 children by different fathers; however, DT lost custody of an older daughter and it has been posted on this forum that Somer phoned her father before her murder and indicated she wanted to go stay with him. This may be the normal behavior of a 7 year old who wants a change of scenery. Or not.

So if there is no tangible documented evidence that DCF investigated and made a finding against DT, add all of the factors above. The situation indicates that she has been less than responsible as a parent to Somer. Use common sense.

 

[what about this?]

Probaby nobody will break in and kill you in your home. But if you go around everyday with a few hundred dollars hanging out of your wallet and travel the same road alone the likelihood is greater of your getting hit over the head and robbed.

I agree on all counts - but in this specific case, in Somer's life . . . that may not have been the only factor. There are plenty, PLENTY of children out there unsupervised, and they don't die.

 

[human]

We all do things that are not safe, I imagine. Like tonight I worked late and walked to a dark parking lot. Didn't like it, but was too lazy to repark my car after I had to drive around for work today.

I don't know anyone who hasn't been the victim of a crime, and I live in a pretty crime free area. Some bigger crimes, some smaller crimes. I have been a small crime victim several times myself.

A couple could have been prevented by me. I had money in my coat pocket and no place to put my coat at work. Someone must have been checking my pockets a lot. Sometimes they probably got a dollar that I put in from change. Then one day they hit payola.

So now I have changed my behavior. I always lock my car. Never did before.

Years ago my friend's child got kidnapped, 175 miles from me, but that changed my behavior towards my own children.

I can't look at this objectively because I have been forever changed years ago. My own children are very protective of their children. I don't know what other parents think. Are they not aware? I don't know.

 

[sadnpod]

It must be just you.... and the poster you are referring to has a name... and that name is wawa...cheewawa. The date stamp of this dfcs visit makes you go hmmmm? Several things posted by posters make me go hmmmm. So I guess we'll sit back and let the chips fall where they may. Keep searching..... I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for.

I give up cause I dont think they exist and unless I reference it as fact in my own post I have no desire or need to keep looking. If I refer to a past post it is usually at least in this thread or its linked. Especially if it was posted threads ago.

Since your post referenced even a date, I would think you would want to show the post. Maybe tonight when you can sleep? Again TIA.

 

[Cheewawa007]

I give up cause I dont think they exist and unless I reference it as fact in my own post I have no desire or need to keep looking. If I refer to a past post it is usually at least in this thread or its linked. Especially if it was posted threads ago.

Since your post referenced even a date, I would think you would want to show the post. Maybe tonight when you can sleep? Again TIA.

For the record, I don't believe my post referenced a date. I believe it was a time period - no specific date. I think Noway is correct.... maybe I need sleep and that is the problem.

 

[sadnpod]

Your right chee, a time period, not a date and I understand the need for sleep.. I do too as I dont have an alarm system either, only my dogs.

 

[pinamia]

I agree on all counts - but in this specific case, in Somer's life . . . that may not have been the only factor. There are plenty, PLENTY of children out there unsupervised, and they don't die.

Many people cross the street without looking. Not all get run over so we should all stop looking before we cross. After all, only some get hit.

We should all be very careful and supervise our kids.