FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #30

[trigger]

It was the library at the school. The mother is Tina and the daughter is 11. The article is posted in this thread, but I don't remember what page (maybe 35).

My inclination is that Somer was walking with M. (niece of GC) from the school to the point where they squabbled. If Somer dilly dallied before catching up with siblings (propane tanks and Kyle at Gano House) then it's possible that M. caught up with AT and ST and told them about the squabble (being hit with backpack or verbal, not sure).

THEORY

Thanx just found the article.....

Then I saw this.....Orange County teacher arrested :furious:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-teacher-🤬🤬🤬🤬-sentence-20091216,0,7141198.story

 

[Noway]

ORANGE PARK, Fla. -- Just about everyday, Somer Thompson would walk home from Grove Park Elementary School. Monday afternoon was no different when she began walking home with her siblings. One Orange Park family says their little girl would also walk with Somer from time to time, and was walking with her Monday afternoon just before she disappeared.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpo...to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx

 

[Noway]

Maybe Somer dilly dallied, M. caught up with the siblings AT and ST first ... and that is how AT heard about the squabble. When Somer caught up (allegedly) in the 1100 block of Gano (now walking with AT and ST), her sister AT told her to stop fighting. M. would have turned up Grove Park to Arbor (maybe).

ETA: Confusing reports say that AT and ST last saw Somer near intersection of Gano and Solomon; the 1100 block of Gano came from Dan Mahla, CCSO.

REVISED THEORY

 

[Noway]

I'm confused because my map says siblings last saw her at Gano and Solomon but LE said she caught up to siblings in the 1100 block of Gano.

Details from the incident report
The Sheriff’s Office released a copy of the incident report Thursday night and some new details about circumstances involving Somer’s disappearance. They included:
— Somer’s mother, Diena Thompson, told deputies she first learned of her daughter’s disappearance from family friend Sean P., who was visiting the home and was asked by Thompson to wait for the children to arrive home from school. He said Somer’s twin brother and older sister arrived about 3:10 p.m. without her and they told him she ran from them after her sister confronted her about getting into a fight with another girl at school.
— Somer’s sister, AT, 10, said she lost sight of her as she ran into a group of other children. She last saw her running west on Gano Avenue near Solomon Street.

http://jacksonville.com/community/m..._continues_at_scene_near_where_somer_thompson

 

[pinamia]

I'm probably way off the beaten path here (again), but I've been thinking what the Astros said. In the chart it says the person (and a woman) is a stranger and a traveler who may need to refuel their vehicle. Are there any gas stations (that do car repairs) in the area? Don't they all have dumpsters? I know cars/trucks have brake dust. Brake dust is soot.

The Astros may not be right about WLK, but perhaps other things on the chart are correct. IDK?!?!?! Worth thinking about, I suppose.

Here's the chart:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SomerGoesMissing126.jpg

Somer's birthdate is April 5 not April 15.

I found that astro completely false. You need the time of birth as well to do an accurate chart if there is such a thing.

The stranger aspect is totally off. Totally. Somer wouldn't go with a complete stranger. Guaranteed.

 

[Cheewawa007]

It was the library at the school. The mother is Tina and the daughter is 11. The article is posted in this thread, but I don't remember what page (maybe 33).

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/10/more-tips-no-arrest-in-somer-t.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/25/national/main5420298.shtml

My inclination is that Somer was walking with M. (niece of GC) from the school to the point where they squabbled. If Somer dilly dallied before catching up with siblings (propane tanks and Kyle at Gano House) then it's possible that M. caught up with AT and ST before Somerand told them about the squabble (being hit with backpack or verbal, not sure). So that when Somer caught up, AT told her to stop squabbling, fighting, tiffing, etc.

THEORY

Your inclination sounds very possible IMO. AT and ST I'm sure gave the LE information that hasn't been made public. The LE outside the home for such a long period of time (weeks after the murder) might be an indication that one of the kids saw someone or something...on second thought - probably not. I was going somewhere with my thoughts, but the fingers are telling me no, no, no.

 

[pinamia]

Thanx just found the article.....

Then I saw this.....Orange County teacher arrested :furious:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-teacher-🤬🤬🤬🤬-sentence-20091216,0,7141198.story

You would think after a conviction he wouldn't have been allowed to be near kids let alone teach 2nd graders.

 

[Noway]

Nothing is making sense to me.

Initial reports said she was last seen near DeBarry and Gano. (reported on news, got people out and looking)

By Tuesday, Mahla is saying that Somer caught up with siblings in 1100 block of Gano.

By Friday, 10/23, media is saying last seen by siblings at Gano and Solomon.

Video of Ryan Hughes talking about Kyle @ 0:40 marker. (10/23)
http://www.wftv.com/video/21409330/index.html

 

[pinamia]

1050 is closer to the school. Then comes the Gano House at 1080. Then the 1100 block of Gano.

The numbers get bigger the farther away from the school you go. (That's what threw off my theories not to mention everything I'd thought about the order in which people saw Somer.)

Based on that. it seems Somer visited with Kyle before meeting up with siblings. Unless for some reason she turned around ?

Now it makes sense. She was with her friend walking home and she had her argument and then met up with her siblings and then ran ahead of them. She never saw Kyle. Then as she approached Debarry she was abducted by someone she knew waiting for her. That's what I think happened. Then he brought her body to a dumpster after he killed her.

If there was any evidence at 1080 Gano, LE would have arrest someone by now.

 

[tarabull]

Hey all this talk about Bagel's and Eagle's earlier.....has anyone every looked up uncles record????

....I hadn't:

1. Leave/Scene Acci Prop Damage 64181TW 316.061 Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991
2. 316.193(1) DUI - Driving Under the Influence - 1st Offense 64181TW 316.193(1) Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991

I haven't to admit THIS caught my attention.

 

[trigger]

You would think after a conviction he wouldn't have been allowed to be near kids let alone teach 2nd graders.

Outrageous. Just 2 days ago they arrested a asst priicipal in Jacksonville. He was also a principal in 2 other schools in Fla. When will it stop??

 

[tarabull]

Outrageous. Just 2 days ago they arrested a asst priicipal in Jacksonville. He was also a principal in 2 other schools in Fla. When will it stop??

I SAW that....and he sure flip flopped (principal / guidance counsellor) and changed jobs a couple times - did that not make anyone suspicious like LOOOOOOOOOOOONG ago!

jeeeeeez!

 

[pinamia]

Wow. Something makes sense to me.. grove park is the farthest point from her school. IF she caught up to MC then she would turn here, turn with MC on Arbor, or go straight past gate of shortcut, around to briarwood, you can also cut through across from gate and go through the fence that is now "repaired" to Debarry. There were two places in this fence that looked like you could cut through from arbor to debarry. One looked to be where shortcut came thru (the one that starts in back of the park), but crosses over grove park and ends at debarry, there is an irrigation ditch that would have to be crossed and a way to get thru wood privace fencing. The other place in the fence on debarry looked like it came through where GC's house is, but im not sure, there is another vacant house two doors down (IIRC), so it could have been it. GC's house looks well loved, flowers and such, I doubt they would let there be a hole through the fence in their back yard (but if kids used it.. maybe?) (This is in a pic showing post propping fence back on debarry) (right across debarry from this patch job is more woods with a path) When walking on Gano towards grove park.. Grove park from the left does not directly cross from grove park on the right, its about a half a block further. The crossing guard stands there. If somer turned left with MC, she could have easily missed him. And if she went to place by the irrigation ditch after that, it would be on her way home. We need to know if and where she walked with MC.. straight to her house and cut through the fence.. or pass her street and go on to where? Three obvious choices.. :waitasec: Straight to irrigation ditch where the turtles are, or across from there thru the fence to debarry which puts her house almost right there, or down grove park to Briarwood and back to her house which is not that far either.. but alot further to me if I was walking. All the shortcuts leave her wide open to be abducted/abused whatever without any one seeing, but taking her away would not be so easy. behind the park you can drive a car

Sorry Sad. I got it wrong. It was 1100 Gano first with MC then 1080 and then 1050 with her siblings. Sorry again. The numbers were going the other way. Check Noway's post. Sorry again.

 

[trigger]

Now it makes sense. She was with her friend walking home and she had her argument and then met up with her siblings and then ran ahead of them. She never saw Kyle. Then as she approached Debarry she was abducted by someone she knew waiting for her. That's what I think happened. Then he brought her body to a dumpster after he killed her.

If there was any evidence at 1080 Gano, LE would have arrest someone by now.

I shouldn't bring it up again but when you turn onto Debarry from Gano the frist street you come to is Red Maple Dr ..well thats where the sheds are that I saw in my dream...

 

[Noway]

Hey all this talk about Bagel's and Eagle's earlier.....has anyone every looked up uncles record????

....I hadn't:

1. Leave/Scene Acci Prop Damage 64181TW 316.061 Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991
2. 316.193(1) DUI - Driving Under the Influence - 1st Offense 64181TW 316.193(1) Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991

I haven't to admit THIS caught my attention.

How old is uncle?

These are from 18 years ago and clean since then?

 

[trigger]

I SAW that....and he sure flip flopped (principal / guidance counsellor) and changed jobs a couple times - did that not make anyone suspicious like LOOOOOOOOOOOONG ago!

jeeeeeez!

Everyones failing our children....

 

[pinamia]

I shouldn't bring it up again but when you turn onto Debarry from Gano the frist street you come to is Red Maple Dr ..well thats where the sheds are that I saw in my dream...

I hope they investigated those sheds.

 

[tarabull]

Born in 1942 - Hasn't been in trouble since 2000.
Here's the list:

1. Leave/Scene Acci Prop Damage 64181TW 316.061 Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991

2. 316.193(1) DUI - Driving Under the Influence - 1st Offense 64181TW 316.193(1) Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991

3. Leave/Scene Acci Prop Damage 65118TW 316.061 Criminal Traffic First Degree 04/03/1991

4. 322.34(2)(a) Driving While License Suspended-1st Conviction 927590Z 322.34(2)(a) Criminal Traffic Second Degree 02/17/1999

5. 320.261 Attaching Tag Not Assigned 927590Z 320.261 Criminal Traffic Second Degree 02/17/1999

6. 316.2061 Blocking an intersection or crosswalk 927588Z 316.2061 Infraction 02/17/1999

7. 86.47(7) Animals at Large 86.47(7) Not Applicable 01/15/2000

 

[Noway]

I don't know if the records found are for the uncle. I found them and the DOB is 1942. That would make him 67.

I didn't think he looked that old.

 

[Noway]

It's not the uncle.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpo...to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx

Watch video (at link, on right) at 2:54. No way that guy (uncle) is 67 years old. THIS (guy with record) could be a relative (dad?)