FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #31

[ccane]

So with that I would like to talk about why I think SP was at the house that day
On the tuesday press conference before they released the police report
One of the detectives said that SP lived at the house when he was asked who SP was
I think thats why they thought SP was DT boyfriend at first
These are guesses
Was he in between places and camping out on the couch?
His work is finance and that market is very slow right now
Maybe he had a fight with a girl friend
Maybe that is why he was there at the house and asked to wait for the kids and DT came home for lunch?
Did the kids not have a house key that day to let there selves in?
Did DT loan one of the kids house keys (AT) to SP ?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Great questions ccane.

The other day, while I was going back over some old stuff from the first week, I ran across an article (I have no clue where and have no link), but the article said SP was the boyfriend and lived at the house. I just chalk that up to media error. There were so many errors by the media and LE in the begining IMO.

I'd love to know why he was there that day. Why she would ask him to stay to wait for the kids on that day in particular.

 

[hoppyfrog]

Knock off the bickering that I'm seeing in these last two pages of posts.

Hoppy
mod

 

[Kimberlyd125]

SP has been a big mystery to me since the beginning. Why he was there and why he changed some wording on his webpage right after Somer was taken.

 

[trigger]

So with that I would like to talk about why I think SP was at the house that day
On the tuesday press conference before they released the police report
One of the detectives said that SP lived at the house when he was asked who SP was
I think thats why they thought SP was DT boyfriend at first
These are guesses
Was he in between places and camping out on the couch?
His work is finance and that market is very slow right now
Maybe he had a fight with a girl friend
Maybe that is why he was there at the house and asked to wait for the kids and DT came home for lunch?
Did the kids not have a house key that day to let there selves in?
Did DT loan one of the kids house keys (AT) to SP ?

DT stated to LE that SP was there often. I just think its weird that he would be there when everyone was either at work or in school.

 

[ccane]

DT stated to LE that SP was there often. I just think its weird that he would be there when everyone was either at work or in school.

DT never said SP was baby sitting just he was to wait for the kids

SP never said he was babysitting either

 

[trigger]

DT never said SP was baby sitting just he was to wait for the kids

SP never said he was babysitting either

Thats correct on both.. She just said he would come over often. That was in the Missing Persons report..She didn't say he was there babysitting.

 

[ChickenPants]

ITA, ChickenP - Children are at greater risk of harm of all kinds when unsupervised. They lack the experience, knowledge, and discernment needed to make safe, responsible choices. Which is why they need adult supervision until they have demonstrated otherwise.

The point I was trying to make in my various rants last night wasn't about childcare/no childcare. I have no interest in casting stones in either direction regarding that debate.

I was trying to point out that the legality/illegality of unsupervised children is, IMO, irrelevant. But I guess I got too wordy.

In other words - should adults (with or without children) base their decisions on whether or not their is a law telling them what to do?

There are signs posted at the freeway overpasses that warn against throwing objects off the overpass (along with the minimum fine for doing so). Personally, I don’t need a sign warning me not to do that because I understand that it could cause harm to the motorists down below. If it wasn’t illegal, and if there wasn’t a sign, would a few people make the absurd assumption that since there was no law against it, that it’s okay, that it’s a safe thing to do? Unfortunately, yes.

But that still wouldn’t make it right, or safe.

We are responsible for our choices, whether or not there is a law telling us what the right choice is.

KWIM?

Gosh and by golly, common sense is a beautiful thing to behold. Think of what the term means: Common sense. It implies ethics, reasonings or behaviors that have stood the test of time and are adopted by responsible people of good will as guidelines for life. It goes beyond theories and opinions, straight to the heart of things - it is BOTTOM LINE.

I had a pair of doves who hatched eggs. The homely little peepers would sqwak and squeak and call for their mommy. Mom would eat a gullet full of seed, masticate it, go over to each babe, force it's beak open and feed it from her own mouth. Now I wonder which Dr. Spock book she read or if she watched Dr. Phil. You can turn on the news at any time and see lines of so-called "dumb savages" (women) standing in mile-long lines waiting quietly for a bowl of gruel to give to their children. Something tells me they cling to these kids with everything they've got and don't have a lot of energy to make excuses.

Of course if you try to harm the offspring of a savage or an animal, they will try to kill you. But it's refreshing to know that they won't be on T.V. trying to explain why they didn't know what happened. Or at fundraisers or as guests on America's Most Wanted.

Am I booted now? Just waiting and wondering...

 

[NSC]

DT never said SP was baby sitting just he was to wait for the kids

SP never said he was babysitting either

BBM, Right and this is why I suspect something going on between the siblings.

 

[ChickenPants]

Someone (several someones) asked how they are to know when something is 'fact' vs 'rumor' and the answer is that you can't know for sure until or unless you see it from some official capacity. An Internet chat board is not an official capacity and while WS is certainly a good one, you still can't know for sure just because you see it posted here.

You make a good point. I'd like to take it one small step further.
There are facts, there are reported facts
- a reported fact is by someone who may believe it is a fact but may have made unconscious errors in reporting it.

There are facts and there are uncorroborated facts.
- Those would be true things that happened but nobody else has come forward to agree with them.

- There are also facts which cannot be corroborated - at least publicly - because a person is sworn to secrecy, may be a victim of retribution if their identity is discovered, is too afraid to tell, or knows people will not believe them, anyway.

- There are facts which are embellished (or dramatized) for effect.

- There are facts which are presented in a context that people take offense at or will not listen to because they are prejudiced in an opposite direction.

- There are facts which are obvious because of a thorough investigation of the circumstances, but which people twist or embellish to throw people off the scent of the truth.

- Finally, there are things that are reported in an official or quasi-official capacity as FACTS when they are simply statements made to someone in an authority position (LE, news reporter) and once they are revealed and repeated, they become accepted as facts.
An example would be a reporter covering a vigil and stating "everyone in the community is embracing this family" when in fact, there are plenty of people there just to gawk and stare and be "part" of something. (Bad example, I don't want to give others that are more inflammatory).

Makes it difficult to accept facts, even if they are staring you in the face.

 

[trigger]

I also think its strange how LE could say the RSO's have been cleared. I know we discussed this but after searching old news I saw this on NG.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "KILLING FOR SPORT": Well, I`m really concerned about the police have said about clearing those hundred sex offender suspects because I don`t know how they could possibly do that. There`s only a few ways to clear a suspect.

One is you`re a pastor and you`re on a pulpit and you`ve got 200 people in church watching you. Another is that you`re seen on a video camera some time -- exactly around the time of the crime far away. Or you`re sitting over in another country and you couldn`t possibly get back on an airplane.

Other than that, there`s no way to clear these guys. So either they have an idea of someone else who did it or they`re just -- not really telling us the truth. But that concerns me because everybody out there should still be looking at these guys and saying, look, if I saw that guy acting suspiciously, I know that person. He said something weird, done something weird. You`ve got to get that information to the police. So don`t discount that unless there`s an absolute way you can prove they could not be involved.

 

[ChickenPants]

But, I think the rules are if you are stating something that is rumor, you are supposed to state it is rumor. Am I wrong?

I think that is a good rule. I have made many mistakes in publishing rumors or pulling forward other info I got off here which was later proven to be a rumor. But I want to say in response to people who are not arguing about rumors - but opinions, they are two different things. And these same people contend that if you state an opinion, people will believe it and start a rumor.

Now I would never give my opinion such a high regard to think that anyone would take it as a fact and spread it around. But I have been blasted for my opinions and taken to task for my speculations.

Also, there is a big difference between a rumor and stating what one has observed or contemplated with reference to, say, DT. An example is the debates about her so-called state of mind during the search and after finding out her daughter was murdered. Different people "saw" different things. What right does one have to bash another for stating if they think someone in the child's life has questionable conduct or behavior? It's been repeated over and over, and this is a fact: The first people LE investigates are the family, friends of the victim. The first questions they ask are: Where were you on the day of the crime? Do you know if this person had any enemies? Why did you say _________on this day and __________on the next day? Detectives ALWAYS watch carefully the demeanor and behavior of these people. So why, I insist on knowing, are the people who are doing this constantly bashed by others on WS?

 

[ChickenPants]

That's my understanding of the board too.

I'll certainly try my best to correlate discussions of random parenting styles of posters to the Somer Thompson case since they must be linked and relevant (esp. since you all say so).

That's a great idea. Except that in this context, there are only two parenting styles. Parents who are vigilant for their childrens' safety and parents who are lax about it. So they aren't random.

God (or nature or whatever you want to call it) entrusted Somer to two parents when she was brought into the world. She was not an orphan. Her mother put her hair in a ponytail and sent her to school. She walked home with her little sister and brother. She is dead. That's all I care about.

 

[ccane]

Maybe Somer did not want to come home because she did not like the company at the house and thought she would wait until later to go home?

Or she didnt know anyone would be there so why go?

 

[Ms Suzanne]

When you just aren't getting any info from LE or media, it's hard to "sleuth" KWIM.

So, naturally, we are gonna go back over things that were already discussed or discuss things that we may not have thought was important before but may need to be looked at.

There are a lot of opinions on the big issues and the small issues.

If someone wanted to pop in to get an update, well, there is no update that I'm aware of. No new news. Sad, but true.

I agree.That's why we need a forum to sort all this out.

 

[ChickenPants]

The fact finding has come from both views.. pro DT and not so Pro DT..
We both can have very different views and still work together

The whole idea behind FACT FINDING (imo) is in the finding. Sometimes you have to keep looking. The facts "come out".

Why do detectives keep interviewing and hammering away at perps who swear to the Holy God and on their mother that they are innocent? Well, some of them wear down and let it out.

Again, detectives are not concerned with popularity or feeling sorry for people they suspect or for being liked. They are determined to get to the truth. And, news flash: They follow up on things a lot because something just didnt "feel right" about a perp.

 

[ccane]

If you are a Mom and this was your child that did not come home from School where would you look first?

If you are 7 and did not want to be at home where is the one place you feel the most comfortable and spend the most time?

 

[camcneishg]

going to bed now all.....blessings....night

 

[ChickenPants]

So with that I would like to talk about why I think SP was at the house that day
On the tuesday press conference before they released the police report
One of the detectives said that SP lived at the house when he was asked who SP was
I think thats why they thought SP was DT boyfriend at first
These are guesses
Was he in between places and camping out on the couch?
His work is finance and that market is very slow right now
Maybe he had a fight with a girl friend
Maybe that is why he was there at the house and asked to wait for the kids and DT came home for lunch?
Did the kids not have a house key that day to let there selves in?
Did DT loan one of the kids house keys (AT) to SP ?

This case has been going on so long and we have all been all over the internet trying to find clues.

Somewhere I read that it was also (truthfully or mistakenly) reported that SP lived at the house WHILE CPC lived there. That doesn't seem to make sense. However, a friend of DT's said that, like Somer, DT "didn't know a stranger", either. SP and DT - friends for a long time?

I go back to that MySPace party scenario - which reportedly took place in the DT home as there were pictures of the kids on the mantle. It's said SP was in the picture. I don't know if CPC was BF or not at that time. I'm interested in the relationship between these 2 men in connection with mom and the kids. I want to know if either or both had authority over these kids and to what extent? In what capacity were they surrogate fathers? If it takes a village to raise a child, then DT populated hers with a lot of peripheral friends, some of whom had questionable activities.

WELL HERE I GO ABOUT PARENTING AGAIN. Who was allowed to wear a parent hat? Was there any corporal punishment going on? How did the kids react to that? Were the kids confused about that? Did Somer have a problem with that? Contributing to her running off now and then?

If CPC (who lists himself as single) lives there and is the Man of The House, what is his general opinion of or reaction to this other male presence.

As far as SP waiting for the kids, it would make "sense" to me that if they had lunch, she would ask him to hang around since the kids (reportedly) had nobody else. The question is, why did she make a point of stating on the MPR that he had never done that before? That would be a damning statement on her. It would infer she had no arrangements.

It's alleged that they had lunch, she asked him to wait, and he did. There is no proof that I know of that he actually waited all day until they got there. He could have left and come back. On the other hand, he could have slept. I'm sure her computer would show if he was, say, on the internet at that time which would clear him. I still don't get how she could leave work for what would be a long lunch when receptionists usually get 2 15 minute breaks and 1/2 hour lunch. She must have done 80 mph and wolfed down her sandwich. And leaves early again without so much as a remark to anyone. Don't have the link, folks, it comes from an interview LE had with her co-workers, who say that she didn't say or do anything unusual, she just left.

 

[trigger]

Maybe Somer did not want to come home because she did not like the company at the house and thought she would wait until later to go home?

Or she didnt know anyone would be there so why go?

I don't know cc she did want to go to school that day. So...