FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #31

[ChickenPants]

Knock off the bickering that I'm seeing in these last two pages of posts.

Hoppy
mod

Sorry for #968 and cynicism. Will try to do better. I saw this after I posted a few things. Sincerely. C.Pants

 

[Dee10]

Wow...I came to this thread to read about the case and get the latest updates and so far, in going through the last 10 pages, what I've mostly seen is discussions about child care, child care in FL, whether someone is old enough to be a babysitter...

My goodness... is it that hard to discuss the CASE and the CASE alone?

Regardless of what you think of someone's parenting style or how they should raise their kids, a CRIME has been committed...the worst crime any parent can imagine. Is that not worthy of being focused on by WS posters?

And btw, the crime isn't the parenting, the crime is that someone abducted a little girl on her way home from school and murdered her.

Many WSers would like to get updates to the case and not have to wade through multiple pages of peoples' opinions on parenting and how they would have raised the Thompson kids if they were the parent.

ETA: I haven't read the last 25 posts yet so I'm not including any of those in my 'please, please get back on topic' vent.

And as for discerning what is truth and what is rumor...it's always wise to not assume anything presented as fact is a fact until it has been corroborated by LE, is in some official investigation document, and is presented as a fact in a court of law. Outside of that, anything could be a rumor or someone's interpretation on something which isn't accurate.

Hey Sluethy, as you have been a member for awhile as I have been, we are just hitting a the brick wall of silence that is frustrating everyone until LE releases more information, happens with every case at some point. Without new news, we sometimes tend to go off topic (sometime big times as you know). Of course if someone doesn't want to wade through threads...they could google news. The next news clip or spark seems to through everyone back on track has been my experience.

 

[ChickenPants]

If you are a Mom and this was your child that did not come home from School where would you look first?

If you are 7 and did not want to be at home where is the one place you feel the most comfortable and spend the most time?

Truthfully:

1. Call 9-1-1. Go somewhere where she is known to routinely go when upset. This is assuming I KNOW where she goes...

2. Curled up in a ball in a warm comfortable place alone with my thoughts.

 

[ChickenPants]

I don't know cc she did want to go to school that day. So...

I had a six=block walk home from school which seemed like more than an eternity.

My mom was a great mom, but she had a friend who lived at the halfway mark. The woman was childless and loved me a lot. I would go there and she would make me soup and I'd sit in her rocking chair in the den, maybe fall asleep, and then go home. My mother knew where I was...and she was jealous...lol

I still have marks on my arms from my mother's fingernails digging into my wrist whenever she thought I would get out of her sight. I was not allowed to be home alone until I was 13 (when she went to work) and then doors locked and no friends over.

 

[ChickenPants]

You are 7 and are picked on at school by one or more of your peers, and you think your sister is overly-strict and she seems to always take the other kid's side.

You live at home with mom, a big brother, little brother, your bossy but sometimes well-meaning sister and a your mother's boyfriend who looks and sounds like a giant, and your house is busy with lots of people - adults - who come and go. Your mom works and goes to school so you don't get to see her very much. You miss your daddy but you are not allowed to talk to him.

When you get home from school, you don't know who is going to be there or what is going to happen. You like to go wandering around talking to people and hugging people, or to the neighbors houses where there are mommies to give you a snack and sometimes other kids to play with until you have to go home. When you get near home, you wonder if you will be in trouble because everybody has been looking. But you will be doing it again tomorrow.......why do you keep doing this?

 

[Dee10]

I agree.That's why we need a forum to sort all this out.

I totally agree! We go round & around & cause Mods problems!!!! If we had a form with topics maybe we wouldn't have to go over & over various topics on each & every thread?

I understand when a case first starts it is probably hard to know how quick the case will be solved, and to be frank, how quick people will lose interest. Not sure how WS evaluates things, but I can understand they have a criteria.
I am not sure how this case ranks, but I am not going anywhere, even if this turns into a cold case...which I hope/don't see it will. I am still following the Haleigh case, no matter where it leads or how long it takes & I see the same faith for those following Somer's case, that they will be there to justice comes.

 

[ccane]

I don't know cc she did want to go to school that day. So...

when I was about that age or younger my brother and I wanted to run away. No reason .. just thought it would be fun
We said we would go to hawaii.. lol we didnt know it was across an ocean
We packed up our wagon with can goods ( no can opener ) and went to the school yard and played
Of course we came home after we where done playing
Boy did we get in trouble.. I couldn't leave the backyard for a long time after that..

So yes I think the school yard is the best place be when you dont want to go home.
It's a place where you feel safe everyday and I think that's where she went

 

[trigger]

I had a six=block walk home from school which seemed like more than an eternity.

My mom was a great mom, but she had a friend who lived at the halfway mark. The woman was childless and loved me a lot. I would go there and she would make me soup and I'd sit in her rocking chair in the den, maybe fall asleep, and then go home. My mother knew where I was...and she was jealous...lol

I still have marks on my arms from my mother's fingernails digging into my wrist whenever she thought I would get out of her sight. I was not allowed to be home alone until I was 13 (when she went to work) and then doors locked and no friends over.

I remember my brother told everyone on our sxhool bus that I failed 5 subjects. Everyone laughed and teased me all the way home. After getting off the bus I slowed down walking the 2 blocks to my home and went to a friends house and played on their swings for awhile. I saw my fathers car drive by slowly and I ran over to him. He said omg where were you. I said im in big trouble daddy and he said just do better next time and he took me home. My brother was the one who got in trouble, not me..lol...

 

[NSC]

You are 7 and are picked on at school by one or more of your peers, and you think your sister is overly-strict and she seems to always take the other kid's side.

You live at home with mom, a big brother, little brother, your bossy but sometimes well-meaning sister and a your mother's boyfriend who looks and sounds like a giant, and your house is busy with lots of people - adults - who come and go. Your mom works and goes to school so you don't get to see her very much. You miss your daddy but you are not allowed to talk to him.

When you get home from school, you don't know who is going to be there or what is going to happen. You like to go wandering around talking to people and hugging people, or to the neighbors houses where there are mommies to give you a snack and sometimes other kids to play with until you have to go home. When you get near home, you wonder if you will be in trouble because everybody has been looking. But you will be doing it again tomorrow.......why do you keep doing this?

That was an excellent story - brings tears to me eyes! So Sad!

 

[ChickenPants]

BBM, Right and this is why I suspect something going on between the siblings.

Your posts and your information is interesting and informative. Do you take this into account as a potential motive for the crime? If so, is there a way you can explain how it could have been carried forward? TIA

 

[ChickenPants]

when I was about that age or younger my brother and I wanted to run away. No reason .. just thought it would be fun
We said we would go to hawaii.. lol we didnt know it was across an ocean
We packed up our wagon with can goods ( no can opener ) and went to the school yard and played
Of course we came home after we where done playing
Boy did we get in trouble.. I couldn't leave the backyard for a long time after that..

So yes I think the school yard is the best place be when you dont want to go home.
It's a place where you feel safe everyday and I think that's where she went

But in this short time frame (since school let out), Cane, there would still be teachers and other SRP's (maintenance cleaning rooms, etc.)on campus or on the grounds. Some teachers just hang around and unwind for awhile, make plans to go to dinner, etc. One teacher I know works until 8:00 every night grading, setting up next day's plans, etc. Surely someone would have seen her there, by herself or maybe around other kids, unless she was hiding somewhere on the grounds. I would have to hope that somebody in school personnel takes a check around for these kids, though. Where around the yard do you think she would have gone?

 

[ChickenPants]

I have not seen SAD on here this evening, and I am hoping she is o-k. Thank you all again for your fruitful and caring discussions. Please keep a good thought for me as I have just been given 7 more garbage bags of unwrapped gifts that must somehow be mysteriously wrapped and sorted after an 8 hour day tomorrow and I just may be found deceased under a mountain of presents, so here is my info so you all will know it was not a murder. XO to everybody. C.Pants

 

[ChickenPants]

I remember my brother told everyone on our sxhool bus that I failed 5 subjects. Everyone laughed and teased me all the way home. After getting off the bus I slowed down walking the 2 blocks to my home and went to a friends house and played on their swings for awhile. I saw my fathers car drive by slowly and I ran over to him. He said omg where were you. I said im in big trouble daddy and he said just do better next time and he took me home. My brother was the one who got in trouble, not me..lol...

More disappear stories:

I always wanted to get away from everybody and go think. When I was about six my mother could not find me...called neighbors, was frantic, etc. She found me in the attic under a bed, nearly asphxiated to death. But at least I had not purported to be up in a hot air balloon.

Having been picked on a lot as a kid, having an older brother who used to twist my arm out of the socket and hiss that he wanted to kill me for hanging around him (we're friends now lol), knowing how it felt to be "left out", hating it when my parents fought, trying to be the peacemaker with everyone, loving animals and puppies, being "klutzy" but loving to dance, and watching all of the popular kids hang together on that long walk home....I can identify a lot with Somer. My mom did not work until I was older, but even then I was "sick" a lot on school days and a neighbor would come over and make me soup. I remember every single detail. I dreamed of running away a lot.

You know, what you are saying about those bad grades and etc...I was really afraid to get into trouble with my dad (or any male) too. I think I always felt kind of guilty and mis-fit-ish and somehow thought I deserved to get into trouble. Strange....I am the opposite now. Somer did not have a chance to channel all of those things or blossom into a woman. She would have used her experiences to help others, I feel certain.

 

[NSC]

Your posts and your information is interesting and informative. Do you take this into account as a potential motive for the crime? If so, is there a way you can explain how it could have been carried forward? TIA

You raise an interesting and most observative point! I really didn't go down a specific avenue on how the crime could be corralated in relation to sibling incest. I did allude to a possibility that the elder sibling alone or some posse of his could have done something to harm Somer. The COD would be helpful for me to make a more thoughtful hypothesis. Along with several other facts that have gaping holes in them...

A few things that come to mind.

1) Mom didn't see Somers body - does mom know the actual and real COD? At this point it hasn't been determined by us/the public if Somer was sexually assaulted. How in the loop is mom on info provided by LE and why has LE basically shut-up on this case if an apparent child killer is on the loose - she has hired an attorney as a liason - not sure why you would need that when she could just as easy walk in and demand answers! Why let facts get lost in translation? I wonder if DT has been formally interviewed by le?
2) Possible Somer was threatened and accidentally or intentionally harmed by a sibling after school - sibling scared and dumps in trash? Body could have become mutilated in trash. Older sibling - not a small kid - could be size of 17. Or it is possible she was sexually assaulted in the same instance. I think anything is possible at this point.
3) Older Sib could have been ditching school early - would LOVE to know if he was accounted for at that very moment in time. If unaccounted for then I am sure LE looking hard. So many variables that are out there. Who knows what kind of affilations he had - - did sibling confess to mom what happend? She protects son as it was an accident? Or not.
4) after doing more research online this evening I believe more and more that mom is not being forthcoming about something. There is deception in her in some way shape or form. Whether she knows who killed her daughter or not. Something in MO is NOT RIGHT in that home. I can't name any sites - oops I broke TOS earlier - SORRY! But it reinforced what I was already picking up on about her body language and such. After checking out Somer's memorial site as well there was stuff that did not add up that was posted by her family members - just not jiving with me - The best way to describe it is unnatural - even in moments of grief things should come natural if your grief is real - call them brain farts if you may.
5) If you read that link I posted about Sibling incest - they give several different scenarios about possible situations. I think anything is possible to be honest. With such little facts released to the public it is impossible to speculate down one avenue alone. It could go way beyond that or it could be nothing. I think because the possibilities are so broad that I could write out other theories all night how the crime could have played out and why - SO MANY possibilities as these poor kids had such unstable lives -- so sad! Go back and read on that site and it talks about all kinds of possibilities --

All just my opinion and theory.

 

[Noway]

If anyone can give clues as to where ChickenP would have read/heard interview with Diena's coworkers, please do post (even clues like you remember that it was video and female reporter or whatever).

I'm not doubting it, just want to find it.

Wondering how close she was to coworkers and whether she shared other personal information in general.

Did something happen (and what?) between her leaving at 4ish and thinking this was maybe routine Somer not coming home on time and getting to Floyd and Gano and feeling that something wasn't right and flagging down officer?

Or was it simply the amount of time that passed between the time she should have been home and when she saw the officer.

TIA

Last 3 paragraphs are me typing out loud and are JMO.

 

[Noway]

Is it possible it was on NG? I don't watch her anymore if I can help it. Might it be in comments under articles?

Willing to delve into to either the NG Pit or the Comments Pit ...

 

[sadnpod]

when I was about that age or younger my brother and I wanted to run away. No reason .. just thought it would be fun
We said we would go to hawaii.. lol we didnt know it was across an ocean
We packed up our wagon with can goods ( no can opener ) and went to the school yard and played
Of course we came home after we where done playing
Boy did we get in trouble.. I couldn't leave the backyard for a long time after that..

So yes I think the school yard is the best place be when you dont want to go home.
It's a place where you feel safe everyday and I think that's where she went

So is the park. The shortcut to the left of the park (facing it) would be after gano house and right before grove park.

 

[Noway]

Another fact reported differently:

But what they really did was, instead of waiting until the major garbage truck comes and gets everything and they take it all to one area and then you go there and try to search it, they changed that. And this detective, Frousseau (ph), I got his name, was, and he`s part of the task force with the FBI and the other counties, but he`s the one that said, "Hey, I`m going to go and follow the truck to their pickups. And I`m going to look at every one that they pick up first before it gets and put in that whole pile. And that`s why that, at least, we`ve been able to find this little girl`s body, Jane.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/22/ijvm.01.html

Bruce Owens
Joe Jett
FBI Agent Frousseau

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

One for each of them.

ETA: Will the real brilliant mind behind the search of the trash coming from Orange Park please stand up?

 

[ccane]

Another fact reported differently:

But what they really did was, instead of waiting until the major garbage truck comes and gets everything and they take it all to one area and then you go there and try to search it, they changed that. And this detective, Frousseau (ph), I got his name, was, and he`s part of the task force with the FBI and the other counties, but he`s the one that said, "Hey, I`m going to go and follow the truck to their pickups. And I`m going to look at every one that they pick up first before it gets and put in that whole pile. And that`s why that, at least, we`ve been able to find this little girl`s body, Jane.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/22/ijvm.01.html

Bruce Owens
Joe Jett
FBI Agent Frousseau

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

One for each of them.

ETA: Will the real brilliant mind behind the search of the trash coming from Orange Park please stand up?

does it make you doubt the story

 

[trigger]

Is it possible it was on NG? I don't watch her anymore if I can help it. Might it be in comments under articles?

Willing to delve into to either the NG Pit or the Comments Pit ...

Sorry never heard about DT's coworkers..I went to NG transcripts today (looking for something) and did not see it mentioned there at all. She had that balloon caper on....Never went to her website ..