FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #31

[New1]

The body was released for the "visitation" and was buried the next day. The funeral home releases the death certificate, usually within a few days. The time of death is pronounced when the Medical examiner pronounces the date and time of death. No matter when it actually occurred. Cause of death can be homicide, or several other reasons that would be benign to the eye as to real cause of death.

Wouldn't "Homocide" be listed as "manner of death" instead of "cause of death"?

 

[ccane]

He was visiting with me and my younger brother that lives in my house in NC on the day somer went missing. I was already in NC. I was with him at his house on wed when the body was found and identified by her birthmark and clothing. I returned to Jax on Friday of that week. He came on Sunday. I went to the services with him here and the service in NC. My car is too small to accomodate him and his wheelchair, so I couldnt bring him to FL.

Sad, Was SP at the private burial too

 

[pinamia]

I drove by the home today at about 4....I saw the small silver car backed into the drive, and a big rust-red colored Chevy truck, nice one.....they were both backed in up next to the fence, blocking the garage.....Garage was closed....on my way home, at about 5:30, there were two big silver/gray trucks pulled up on the front lawn.....and the other two were still backed in....I saw no people.....just thought I would share....
sad, I have a question for you....if DT was offered after school care, free.....then doesn't this mean that the kids would also qualify for free lunches??? why would Somer carry a lunch box??

Maybe for snacks. I know my first grader has snacks which I have to send and they aren't included in lunch money (her lunch is $2). She looks a lot like Somer only fatter. That's why I'm so interested in Somer.

 

[ChickenPants]

She's just shutting off those feeling. As sad as she feels for Somer and the guilt she has, the hate for Somer's killer is greater. She originally said she wouldn't sleep until the killer is caught. We'll we know that didn't happen.
Most moms are more sad so she presents a different grieving mechanism. That is because she didn't see Somer's body. She even says it in the interview how she sometimes doesn't believe it.

I do feel for her but it isn't easy because she does have strange ways about her. It seems a lot is about her when it should be about Somer.

I'm just adding to it so we should just go on about Somer unless we will just be looking at DT who I'm sure didn't do this. She played a role but it was that of being careless which a lot of parents are.

Now who would know Somer would be alone and who would Somer trust? Those are the true questions.

I hear you loud and clear. Thanks for the heads up. I am going to just go and say it. Even without evidence and the screwy time frames and etc., the only person I think has a real motive is CPC. I'm sure you all know why I have this impression from things I have said in the past. RSO's were ruled out, nobody else ruled out...he had no motive that I know of other than wanting DT to himself and maybe having a short temper. I think he would know Somer was running off because the family probably talked about it and confronted her at home about it. AT probably got mad at her more than once for causing her grief - what a burden to a 10 year old. Maybe CPC and DT fought over it, maybe DT took her side and it angered him. He might have tried to take over parenting and Somer rebelled...

I also factored in the SP/DT/CPC scenario, and with the two men being so opposite to one another and the thready information about who was the BF at what time, it isn't unthinkable that CPC could have a prob. with DT having SP hanging around for whatever reason.

Maybe the night before it happened there was a squabble at home and everyone knew about Somer fighting with the little girl. Maybe the school had already contacted DT about behavior problems and he knew about that as well. He would know that Somer was gearing up to take off again.

As there is no proof of his actual whereabouts during the course of events (though it is said DT called him at work, where exactly was he), he could have been there. I don't think Somer trusted him. I think she was probably scared of him and resented him being a daddy figure to her (it was said she wanted to go back to her daddy)...no proof of that. As I've mentioned before, it is possible to me that he was waiting and motioned her over to him, indicating she might be in trouble. Then he could have done it very quickly and quietly out of sight.

Interesting back on thread nine it is just starting to dawn on posters that SP was not Dt's boyfriend. They started sleuthing CPC in earnest. I stopped reading there.

It's a MOO and I realize a big stretch for some people. I have not discounted any or all other options. If he did it, I can very easily see DT not being able to face that and being quite fragmented. Sincerely,

Chicken Pants The Dying Swan

 

[camcneishg]

what is the name of the place that CPC works again, anyone.....I remember in my dream about the Salem Ciggs....this person had on a white shirt with something embroidered on the pocket in dk blue....this was the pocket that he took the Salems out of......Three things I need to know about....that bright yellow and black SUV, that Red/Rust colored Chevy pick up, and those dang Salems......

 

[sorrell skye]

Wouldn't "Homocide" be listed as "manner of death" instead of "cause of death"?

Yes - "homicide" is a "manner of death".

NASHU:

N - Natural Causes
A - Accidental
S - Suicide
H - Homicide
U - Unexplained cause

Manner and Cause of death are sometimes confused with one another in layman's terms. But the "Manner" of death follows the NASHU acronym.

 

[sadnpod]

Sad, Was SP at the private burial too

He was a pall bearer

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I may have missed something since I did take some time away from this case while there was not much going on and the Shaniya story broke and I followed that.

But, how was DT neglectful to her children or careless?

 

[sadnpod]

I was looking at sex offenders near Cedar Bend Apt. Complexes near wells. There are a lot over there. That's where they found the 2 year old in the dumpster alive.

There are also bad people living there and murders going on.

This is all 3.47 miles from 1080 Gano.

Give us some names, rhymes with... ha ha... cant hurt... but I think rso's are out of most peoples radar anymore.

Who is everyones number one suspect at this point? And please no tomatoes... you can explain if you want

I have none anymore, I have even eliminated wlk

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Re: Judging DT

I agree with you and it has been very difficult for me trying to be fair and discerning here. If it happened to me I would end up in a psych ward, unless of a miracle.

The problem I guess I have is that, after the initial "crisis" passed, DT's demeanor was still and always the same in subsequent interviews: from sobbing to Dirty Harry if you know what I mean?

I had difficulty understanding how and why she did so many interviews, anyway. She always said it was to keep Somer's name out there and find the "it" who had murdered er. But, honestly, she never talked about Somer unless asked a specific question, and then she was often hesitant or gave very cliched answers about all of her kids, ex: when asked how the kids were doing, it was: "well...kids will be kids..." or "they have their ups and downs". The reporter would ask her a question about Somer and she would pause, and smile, and recount a little item like her being clumsy or picked on, hugging everybody, wanting to be a shoulder for everyone.... I just think that any time ANYBODY asked me a question about my murdered child, I would NOT be able to hold it together just thinking about (him).

Looking around to find any new information on the case, one cannot help running across posts from a variety of people - rumor or not - regarding husbands, boyfriends, drugs, custody battles, lack of arrangements for the kids, things said and done...interestingly, most of the information is negative. In fact I HAVE NOT READ ONE POSITIVE POST ANYWHERE ABOUT DIENA'S RELATIONSHIP WITH HER DAUGHTER OR HER OTHER CHILDREN. And this is after a month of following up. On the whole web. Searching for clues.

Yet there continue to be regular posts (including mine) urging people not to judge her and to forgive her alleged lapses in judgement, allow her to grieve in her own way, reminding us we would not want to be in her place.

I said it before, if someone tells you there is an elephant in the corner, and then tells you not to look at it, you won't be able to keep your eyes off of it.

I DON'T WANT TO JUDGE THIS MOTHER!!!

BBM

That's my point. There are so many rumors about DT floating around here and other boards. They have been repeated over and over again til they become "fact" in many people's minds. After you read the drug rumor 10-20 times, then your mind thinks, oh DT was on drugs. Where is the proof of that? I don't think there is any that we know of.

If we sit down and try to write down the facts against DT, I think our list would be quite short.

Fact: Yes, she allowed her children to walk home from school. So did a lot of other parents in that neighborhood. Were they all neglectful or careless?

Fact: She's been married and divorced a few times. A lot of good people have.

Any facts I'm forgetting?

I'm not trying to be ugly, I'm really not. But I think we need to really think about our opinion of DT and try to see how much of it is based on fact and how much of it is based on rumor. IMO

 

[ccane]

Here is a news snippet I found

One very sad note was that Somer had already picked out her Halloween costume and had been wearing it; and now on Halloween night, she will not be here to “Trick or Treat” in what everyone thought was a safe neighborhood.

 

[sadnpod]

O/T

http://www.news4jax.com/news/22008649/detail.html

 

[sorrell skye]

what is the name of the place that CPC works again, anyone.....I remember in my dream about the Salem Ciggs....this person had on a white shirt with something embroidered on the pocket in dk blue....this was the pocket that he took the Salems out of......Three things I need to know about....that bright yellow and black SUV, that Red/Rust colored Chevy pick up, and those dang Salems......

Oldcastle Precast, IIRC.

 

[sadnpod]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/22008194/detail.html

 

[New1]

Give us some names, rhymes with... ha ha... cant hurt... but I think rso's are out of most peoples radar anymore.

Who is everyones number one suspect at this point? And please no tomatoes... you can explain if you want

I have none anymore, I have even eliminated wlk

I think it is someone Somer knew for sure. I don't think the murder was planned and I don't think it was sexually motivated. I'm thinking someone in the family or close to the family did this. LE just cleared a man very quickly after he was arrested for dumping construction debris , but they have not come out and cleared any family members or friends of the family. This says a lot. I haven't narrowed it down to which family member or family friend - this is only my opinion - I have been wrong before, though.

 

[trigger]

Just watched Criminal Minds..It was about a 9yo girl that was abducted from her safe neighborhood in broad daylight. They did a profile on her abductor.
Male white 20 to 30 years old.
Hes comfortable in the area, probably talks to the kids. Gets ice cream from ice cream truck along with the kids. Or even eats his lunch in the park when they play.
Lives in the neighborhood. Or maybe works in area doing menial jobs like landscaping, painting. Or worked temporary in the area.
He could have used the help me find my dog line.
Predators knows and watches the kids.
If he lives in the area maybe he walks his dog. Not a threat to parents or older kids.
Hes frustrated, relates better to kids then adults.
Probably not first offense to children but first time for abduction. First timers they like like it close to home, predators don't.
Stress from maybe losing a job or some kind of set back.
Unable to have a normal relationship.
Has child i home and on his computer.

 

[houndstooth]

I Was wondering if ST had to appear in court himself for the divorce. Did he get any visitation with the kids? Is he still in a wheelchair? If so,Did he borrow a van again? Is he still here visiting or gone back to NC. TIA

You said too late, for him to get hair? Did he not request? I am not sure she got hers either. She hadn't more than 4 weeks after the funeral. According to a video she thought it might happen the following day. But who knows? TIA



ETA: Oh and lastly. Does he have any custody rights at all? For future visitation with the children.

 

[Noway]

Somebody addressed this issue earlier on and it was remarked that they close and lock caskets after these violent crimes because of the possibility that rag newspapers would be in there taking pictures.

I think they are locked normally so that the body does not fall out if casket is dropped. That sounds horrible. I know now who the member is who posted, so I'll ask if it's not yet been answered.

 

[New1]

O/T

I will BBL - gotta go - these shoes are akillin' me! Slueth on while I'm gone!

 

[Noway]

O/T

http://www.news4jax.com/news/22008649/detail.html

That pissed me off. Sexual battery on A ONE YEAR OLD? They should tattoo it on his damn forehead.

ETA: In RED. And then put him in cement up to his, um, knees.

JMO