FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #32

[what about this?]

Its the day after Christmas and the killer has still not been charged. Some of my random thoughts after the last couple pages in this thread.

I will go back and read/watch the videos that chickp has posted. Chickadee stated that the brothers were swabbed... yahoo... does that mean they have dna then to compare?

ST has not had much fun for sure. He got to speak to dt, at and st yesterday and said it was nice conversations all around. (There were some who voiced that they were not happy about his discussion with dt) Im not calling anyone out here, but I firmly believe that if the "significant others" would step back (id rather they all ran away) that these two PARENTS could get along and st and at would have a much better chance of healing and so would somers PARENTS. Jealousy and envy are not pretty colors KWIM?

Sadnpod - are you saying that someone in the background was voicing displeasure that DT was talking on the phone to ST? Loudly enough that ST could hear, and that's how you know about it?

 

[sadnpod]

Sadnpod - are you saying that someone in the background was voicing displeasure that DT was talking on the phone to ST? Loudly enough that ST could hear, and that's how you know about it?

NO. not at all. I have no idea how DTs side reacted.

 

[houndstooth]

NO. not at all. I have no idea how DTs side reacted.

By process of elimination, I guess you mean HIS significant other was unhappy about the conversation.

Well whatever. The important point is that he was able to speak with them to see how they are and to express himself, and they to him.

I take it he was able to talk to them for the past two years by phone, just not allowed visitation because he didn't send child support money? But, that had been recently halted in the weeks leading up to S murder?
TIA

 

[what about this?]

NO. not at all. I have no idea how DTs side reacted.

Okay, thanks. I was just thinking, if it had been on DT's side in the background, that maybe the s___ had hit the fan and that maybe, maybe the reaction could be the impetus needed to get someone to finally talk -- KWIM?

 

[sadnpod]

The important thing was that he was able to speak to the kids, but I think its very important for he and DT to be able to talk freely about their children, and their loss. For all of the THOMPSON family. Anyone IMO that impedes this whether it be on DT's or ST's "side" should step back.

The way it has been told to me by ST and his family is that he was with the kids 2-2 1/2 yrs ago. They spoke frequently on the phone, (his mother and sister too) at first, it gradually declined with excuses when he or anyone else called. Sometimes when ST called, DT would let him talk, or if the kids themselves answered. He stated to me that he thought these were the times when PC was not home. IDK. St didnt speak to them at all for a couple of months before somers death. Then finally PC telling LH and DT (st mom) not to call back, to call the attorney. This was after somers death. IDK if child support was the factor in not letting them communicate. He claims to me she got support, but IDK how much or when. IMO child support and communication are apples and oranges.. legally they are too as far as I know. You dont pay child support to see your children. (unless your jailed for nonpayment)

 

[sadnpod]

Okay, thanks. I was just thinking, if it had been on DT's side in the background, that maybe the s___ had hit the fan and that maybe, maybe the reaction could be the impetus needed to get someone to finally talk -- KWIM?

It was my fault for not being clear. Sorry..

 

[ChickenPants]

CNN RAW VIDEO THOMPSON HOUSE INTERVIEW WITH VINSON.
http://imagesource.cnn.com/imagesou....action.search.BrowseActionBean&damId=6375420

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW in some of these videos the camera remains stationery and nothing happens until later. On this one, the interview with Vinson starts at about 10:01. So if you watch and get discourage, just fast forward until there is something going on.

I take it these are just archives of footage shot and later clipped and edited for broadcast. That's why I downloaded them. I was hoping to catch something that was snipped out of the news footage broadcasts we have all watched. XO Cpants swan

 

[ChickenPants]

GA MISSING GIRL SCENE: Note comments, "please cut shots of landfill...?"
http://imagesource.cnn.com/imagesou....action.search.BrowseActionBean&damId=6371551

wOW i put this one in quickly and didn't watch it. What the heck was she doing anyway? All she did was look around her and lift up the same piece of cardboard a zillion times. LOL I had to laugh when I think about how much I have to accomplish at my job in a 36 hour day! Can anyone shed light on exactly what was happening here except helicopters buzzing overhead? Maybe the cameraman was having a chuckle?

 

[ChickenPants]

wOW i put this one in quickly and didn't watch it. What the heck was she doing anyway? All she did was look around her and lift up the same piece of cardboard a zillion times. LOL I had to laugh when I think about how much I have to accomplish at my job in a 36 hour day! Can anyone shed light on exactly what was happening here except helicopters buzzing overhead? Maybe the cameraman was having a chuckle?

AAAARRRGH. WRONG VIDEO AGAIN! My comments refer to the one about the search of the Thompson home.
Will you ALL excuse my video and cut and paste disabilities?

 

[ChickenPants]

THOMPSON HOME SEARCH, UNEDITED.

http://imagesource.cnn.com/imagesou....action.search.BrowseActionBean&damId=6372805

This is the one where the woman in the white suit is doing nothing through the whole boring stationery video shoot.

 

[ChickenPants]

That was the most amazing, wonderful thing - listening for hours, and then hearing they are in pursuit, he took off, they had him, and that she was in the truck. I still have chills.

Thank you, God, so much. Please help little Sarah's family tonight, and Somer, I know you're here - please tell LE what happened. And take Sarah's hand.

My Knee jerk reaction: IF ONLY SOMEONE HAD CALLED 9-1-1 RIGHT AWAY instead of texting back and forth and waiting to flag down LE after an hour of searching....maybe an Amber Alert would have gone out sooner? Flame away, everybody.

 

[LogicalMinds]

This was not an "amber alert" case...really people should learn what an amber alert is, that is when they have a suspect to BOLO

To me all this talk on here is just that...talk...the "sleuthing" has not done much

LE apparently is keeping this close...not giving out any info

not even "cause of death"....we don't even know IF this is a case of sexual assault or not

This is a totally sad case but I would be more interested at this point to figure out WHY LE is not releasing any info:?? What other "cases" have we seen this in? why would it be done?? Is this something particular to THIS LE agency/s? Or is it simply particular to the case of Somer Thompson??

and what does it mean?? any one wish to give some input and insights as to what LE is doing here, and why they are doing it and what it might mean? thanks

 

[ChickenPants]

Hounds... thanks that put a smile on my face.. The pastor approached us at the burial after the foot stomping and the mr tight jeans removal and asked st if he planned on attending the reception. He said yes, this is for his daughter, and the pastor said, he thought it would be better, under the circumstances if we didnt attend, that he would be glad to pay for our lunch at sonnys. ST said that DT had just gotten saved and would he please help her in her journey with Christ. He said of course he would and offered again to give us money for lunch. I told him we were capable of feeding ourselves, that we didnt need his money. He said he was sorry for the problems.. by now I wasnt really paying attention to him. Everyone else was gone but us.. and st was having a hard time leaving the gravesite. LE then came and talked to st and told him that they were going to find who did this and that they were not on dts side or his side in this, that they work for somer. The lead detective promised to call st as soon as they solved this. Then they asked him to leave so the workers could finish the burial and we did. We went to zaxbys and I started calling attorneys.

OH DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN. HOW SICK. I can think of a dozen scenarios that would have been kind. LE asking ST to leave? Considering he was not allowed to attend the reception which is a normal course of events, would it have killed LE to have a det. stay with him at the gravesite a little longer? I am enraged and thinking out loud...DT has been saved....she needs to get with Billy Graham and have him talk with her about being a holy woman...ST was right to ask for a follow-up from a pastor, this is a NORMAL THING to do when someone has "been saved" as a result of a huge uh-oh and a normal scramble to get to God...it's afterward when that fades away again...well this Pastor did NOT DO HIS JOB.

Sorry if I sound like know it all arrogant judgmental again...I am a singer. I have sung at many memorial services. I know the back office stuff. There were some where the Pastor/Priest had NO idea about the dead person, they do a little facts sheet with the family and wing it in their sermons. I sang at one where the deceased was a resident in my NH whose family had written her off long ago. Nobody knew or cared anything about her. She was basically a pretty mean woman...and the priest was beside himself because he had to do a mass for the only 2 people that showed up besides me. So I just got up there and talked about how I would go to her room to bring her to activities and that she was bright, intelligent, had a tough time breathing, always put on her make up, etc., I was desparate to give SOMETHING positive. The people were bawling. The priest told me, you know, people think we have it easy. How the heck was I supposed to know what to say?

I get the impression pastor had interview with mom and pulled those stories out of her and made a decision to be politically correct in front of that huge crowd, because, you know, you can't TALK ABOUT SIN anymore, or HELL, or EVIL, it makes people UNCOMFORTABLE. Especially if it's going on National TV. Hey, he has a great opportunity here to increase the church attendance and revenue 100% if some of those people who were so freaked out think: Maybe I should get up Sunday and go to church.

Talk about Hypocrisy! Celebrate the little girl's fun personality, do nothing to heal the ridiculous and mean-spirited treatment of the father, leave him out of obit, lunch, whatever...The pastor should have met with both parents before the service and spoken about Somer and how she would want peace today. And we see on that uncut video a report that the Pastor kept eye contact and BONDED with DT through the whole service. Oh SAD I am so glad today that you have been there for ST. No thank you, we can buy our own lunch....God Bless YOU.

....if they removed ANYBODY, it should have been CPC OR THAT UNCLE!!!!!

 

[ChickenPants]

Hounds... thanks that put a smile on my face.. The pastor approached us at the burial after the foot stomping and the mr tight jeans removal and asked st if he planned on attending the reception. He said yes, this is for his daughter, and the pastor said, he thought it would be better, under the circumstances if we didnt attend, that he would be glad to pay for our lunch at sonnys. ST said that DT had just gotten saved and would he please help her in her journey with Christ. He said of course he would and offered again to give us money for lunch. I told him we were capable of feeding ourselves, that we didnt need his money. He said he was sorry for the problems.. by now I wasnt really paying attention to him. Everyone else was gone but us.. and st was having a hard time leaving the gravesite. LE then came and talked to st and told him that they were going to find who did this and that they were not on dts side or his side in this, that they work for somer. The lead detective promised to call st as soon as they solved this. Then they asked him to leave so the workers could finish the burial and we did. We went to zaxbys and I started calling attorneys.[/QUOTE

AARGH OWW i just read this again. Pastor approaches you and warns you off reception. Indicates during the pre-funeral conferences Dt (with Superman by her side) has already given the litany of damning incriminations against dad and Pastor is taking her side rather than doing the right thing. Pastor keeps his eyes on DT through the service, bonding with her. The only incident is the uncle foot stomping, maybe he didn't see that. No skirmishes outside of the funeral home. ST didn't start anything.

If people could get through a funeral without a fight, they could sit at separate tables in a restaurant, what's the problem. Maybe DT had this conversation with Pastor before she got saved.

Somer was witness, certainly, to a lot of fighting in her life. Too bad she couldn't enjoy the sight of her parents making peace at her funeral.

 

[ChickenPants]

Yes, I know it was on purpose, because st thought at first it was an accident and asked him to pls get off his foot, that he was hurting him and the man snarled that he would like to do more than that and called him a deadbeat dad in front of the kids and everyone. Dont think that I am not angry. I am so angry at all the adults in this that I want to (and do) scream occasionally. Remember I am sad and p'od. It was probably me, but if you know of anyone else who spoke on this, I would like to see it.

Was this right before the service, or afterward? I ask only because I am curious as to why nobody would take the foot stomper and remove HIM from the church like they did tight jeans...where was LE when this happened? It was a sort of assault and a threat. I don't know how you were able to keep it together, I know I would not have. My admiration to you.

 

[ChickenPants]

I was talking about the Lisa from Australia mentioned in the Christmas without Somer article. She says"...Don't forget to give your other kids lots of hugs and kisses, they don't want to lose their Mum and their sister." It's a quote in the "First Christmas Without Somer" article, taken from rememberingsomer website I believe, used in Catherine Varnum's article.

Speaking of which, I don't know how you could wonder if she was asking for donations. It's on every news article, it's been mentioned every interview, this was done by her, and with her permission. When she is on say the Today Show or GMA, she would have had to have told them about the website name in order for them to mention it. And of course when you do, It had a giant strobing DONATE sign at the very top. SHE sent her son out with a collection jar on street corners before S was even found. By law, she has to approve of every fundraiser done on her behalf. All those things were in her power to refuse at any time for the dignity of S. and herself and her family. She does not come from one that is desperately poor. So it has never made any sense to me what the purpose is. Except she could quit her job with the donations. But, why do that? By her own actions she has shown early on that she was able to work. She was not so emotionally wroght that she could not get out of bed in the mornings. She attended carnivals, rock concerts, rode motorcycles, went on dozens of interviews and
appearances. To the point where two months later, the only comment for the article itself, about Christmas without Somer is a footnote about the fundraising. Most likely in reference to the car show judging last Sat.

I get you, hounds. By now you have maybe read some of my more recent rants. I was trying to play devil's advocate with myself. I don't know why I bother except for the other shoe that drops is always posters who come on here and either accuse some of us of DT bashing or point out that our comments NEVER have anything to do with solving the crime. "How does this help find the person that did this?" Finally, I always look inside myself to see what I would be capable of under what circumstances and how one can start with a little thing and slide down that slippery slope. Somer is out of that now. Thank the Good God.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I find the questioning of DT's faith or if the pastor "did his job" offensive. JMO

IMO a person's faith if personal. That is between DT and God.

I have to ask...what does her faith have to do with our conversation here and why is it being questioned?

ETA: This was posed in an earlier post...
DT has been saved....she needs to get with Billy Graham and have him talk with her about being a holy woman
IMO that is offensive

 

[liz b.]

Sadnpod,
Thanks so much for the photos of the park. Very useful. You seem firm in your belief that Somer went alone into that park. But, what strikes me about her was that she was such a little "social butterfly" People in the neighborhood commented on the fact that she was always looking for someone to play with, was happy when she could find a friend around. I just don't get that she was much of a loner, or very introspective. In fact, she seemed to spend hardly any of her time alone. That trait, of being very extroverted, might have annoyed some people, especially other kids. All of this is *speculation*, but if a couple of 5th graders,say, had asked her to go to the park with them, I bet she would have.

 

[ChickenPants]

Its the day after Christmas and the killer has still not been charged. Some of my random thoughts after the last couple pages in this thread.

I will go back and read/watch the videos that chickp has posted. Chickadee stated that the brothers were swabbed... yahoo... does that mean they have dna then to compare?

ST has not had much fun for sure. He got to speak to dt, at and st yesterday and said it was nice conversations all around. (There were some who voiced that they were not happy about his discussion with dt) Im not calling anyone out here, but I firmly believe that if the "significant others" would step back (id rather they all ran away) that these two PARENTS could get along and st and at would have a much better chance of healing and so would somers PARENTS. Jealousy and envy are not pretty colors KWIM?

If you've ever read or heard about abused women, you learn that the abuser generally controlled the household, called the shots, restricted the woman's activities and often gradually isolated the woman from others. I agree that CPC has no business "protecting" DT and the children from ST. But it serves HIS purposes. A person with these motivations usually is capable of manipulation and violence. And it would make sense that the person woujld be very careful of whom he would allow into his world.

DT being so public is not the same thing. The public at large is very sympathetic to her and her "family"...one big wave of support which envelopes CPC in it's loving grasp. He benefits all around. It's when those doors close at night that I am concerned about. It's what he has been and is capable of. LE says that nobody has been cleared. Not RSO's, not aunts or uncles, not the grocer down the street and not CPC.

 

[ChickenPants]

I was talking about the Lisa from Australia mentioned in the Christmas without Somer article. She says"...Don't forget to give your other kids lots of hugs and kisses, they don't want to lose their Mum and their sister." It's a quote in the "First Christmas Without Somer" article, taken from rememberingsomer website I believe, used in Catherine Varnum's article.

Speaking of which, I don't know how you could wonder if she was asking for donations. It's on every news article, it's been mentioned every interview, this was done by her, and with her permission. When she is on say the Today Show or GMA, she would have had to have told them about the website name in order for them to mention it. And of course when you do, It had a giant strobing DONATE sign at the very top. SHE sent her son out with a collection jar on street corners before S was even found. By law, she has to approve of every fundraiser done on her behalf. All those things were in her power to refuse at any time for the dignity of S. and herself and her family. She does not come from one that is desperately poor. So it has never made any sense to me what the purpose is. Except she could quit her job with the donations. But, why do that? By her own actions she has shown early on that she was able to work. She was not so emotionally wroght that she could not get out of bed in the mornings. She attended carnivals, rock concerts, rode motorcycles, went on dozens of interviews and
appearances. To the point where two months later, the only comment for the article itself, about Christmas without Somer is a footnote about the fundraising. Most likely in reference to the car show judging last Sat.

WOW...SOMEBODY IN AUSTRALIA following the case. I thought her comments were very very revealing. At least she cares, more than the general media does.