FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #34

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  • #121
I bet those stats are really high - there sure are lots of kids walking home from school each day. More moms than ever are working and counting on siblings to help with the smaller ones. imo, if a child predator goes after his prey - the child could be sitting under a tree in his/her backyard or asleep in the bedroom, and the prey will be caught. moo


More moms than ever are working and counting on siblings to help with the smaller ones. imo, if a child predator goes after his prey ... especially if the child is one who likes to run off.

Hopefully not. At least not in Orange Park with the Monster on the loose. Not according to the moms and others interviewed about this tragedy.
 
  • #122
Somer never ran off before.

Mother has said this, so it must be true.

The neighbor call-down list to find her in case she ever ran off is a fabrication.

It is o-k to let a 10 year old supervise children on a mile-long walk home from school, and possibly for an undetermined amount of time in an empty house after school. Any parent who does this should not be criticized. It's their business, not school, DCFS and certainly not the public - whether not they provide supervision for their children. Lots of parents do it, so it is o-k.

Statistics about the HIGHER INCIDENCE OF and likelihood of child homicide increasing when children are left unsupervised are incorrect. Children can be killed at any time, and there are probably statistics to show that a high amount of them are killed in their beds by people unknown to them.

Somer had no problems at all, so school personnel and social worker had no cause for concern and should not have called DCFS about a fabricated incident in the woods, NOR should have alleged any concern for the safety and well-being of the child(ren). She should have called the police, instead of following the protocol which says to call DCFS and that DCFS will contact the police if warranted. The fact that the incident occurred previously to the date of the call means the police should still come out and backtrack on the whole matter. The police don't have enough to do, they don't need DCFS to investigate child neglect.

A news reporter should never write a story about a DCFS report on a child who was a victim of homicide. Somer's mother never hid the fact that DCFS was called on her, so what business is it of the news to stick their noses in it?

A news reporter who is supportive of the mother and grieves for her should have gone to his editor and refused to do the story. The news reporter in the father's town should have said this story is not significant, it's nobody's business, I won't write it. If the editor forced him to write it, he should have called the police.

The father, when interviewed, should have been incensed that anyone would write such an article because it is a private matter and although he has been baited and encouraged to say bad things about his ex-wife, has said that he is sorry for her and prays for her.

The school system should be blamed for everything and they should make arrangements for children to be accompanied to and from school. If their on-premises day-care is declined, they should follow up and see if the parent doesn't want day care and it should not be DCFS or the school's business why the parent does not obtain day care even if it is free. If the school feels the child should not walk with young siblings, they should keep the child there and drive the child home. It is the school's responsibility to provide funds for extra law enforcement, extra teachers to stay one on one with children who need accompanying home, and gas money to drive them.

Drowning is not the #1 cause of unsupervised child death. Somer never went by the water or in tree houses. That is a lie fabricated by people who wanted attention.

LE does not look at family and friends and acquaintenences first in murder investigations. Someone(s) who posted that as statistic are mistaken. LE does not have to rule out parent(s) as persons of interest. That is their business. Just because they have done it before, does not mean it matters in this case. People who want to know why DT has not been ruled out, has not been allowed autopsy results, are just mean and heartless. There must be statistics about such people.

Any parent whose child is murdered should be exempt from anyone talking about them because their loss and grief supercedes any responsibility for anything.

There must be statistics that show perpetrators who do not know a child, have never seen the child, or watched the child over a period of time - and so are not aware that this child runs off unguarded - routinely wait until the middle of the day when there are plenty of other adults around and just take their chances of grabbing the child, killing her and putting her in the garbage. Because they don't know anything about her running around to these various areas. It's a matter of luck, that's all.


Going back to the beginning, since Somer never ran off before, and adequate supervision was given her before and after school, she could not have been killed. Because the perpetrator had no access to her. So nobody is responsible here. Except the people who keep writing and saying things that have nothing to do with the murder that did not happen.
 
  • #123
I hate to say this, but there are monsters on the loose in every town, not just Orange Park.

Reason is sex offenders are slapped on the wrist and told to come in, take a picture and give their address. SICK laws need to be changed.

I was thinking about Somer this morning when I was driving my child to school. I see so many cheerful kids walking or riding their bikes to school every morning. I see them in the afternoons. Makes you think, how many sex offenders see them also because they were slapped on the wrist and allowed to be in our community.

Just because there are laws that state they are not to be within a certain number of miles of a school means nothing to me. We all know they are.

I feel Somer was taken by a sex offender. I don't know if this guy would be registered or not, depending on if he was caught before.
 
  • #124
I was asking what evidence you have that points to someone else?

There was no response to this question, the others were answered in the above.

How was she killed? I wasn't there I wouldn't know.

You name 10 things that point to someone else and I will post mine. Deal?

May I please give 10 things I think point to someone else?




1.America's Most Wanted said a sexual?preditor that has done this before.

2.LE was checking the house on Gano they were renovating when Somer came up missing.They went back later to get more evidence I believe from the house on Gano.

3.Witnesses last saw Somer near the house on Gano.

4.A witness saw Somer near the propane tanks near the Gano house.

5.A person G.V.that had worked?on the house on Gano or for the company working on the house was a sexual offender.LE got his car or company car to check.

6.Apparantly soot was found on Somers body when she was found?The house on Gano had had a fire.

7.Across the street from the house on Gano is a park.If the house did not have running water they could have washed up in the bathroom at the park.LE did apparantly take things evidence?from this bathroom in the park.

8.The crossing guard near the Gano house does not remember seeing her somer there.She never got to that crossing?

9.Kyle said Somer came up to him and his crew members(who are they?)and said they are doing a great job renovating the house.I believe he said Somer walked around to the back of the house?

10.If the reporter was correct and it's true Kyle places himself and his crew right with Somer at the house they were renovating.(The crime scene?)Was Kyle and the crew the last persons to see Somer?


WHO IS KYLE AND WHO WAS WITH HIM?
 
  • #125
I forgot to mention the tremendous effort of Noway who has diligently collected facts along the way. Now she can put her abundance of facts in the right thread for our use. I can't say enough good words about what Noway has done for us here on the Somer thread. mho

Yes,Noway has done a great job.Thank you Noway.
 
  • #126
Her parents owned the home in which they live. I would think that allowances would be made on any rent paid (if any) that would alleviate a lot of financial burden if the free services were refused. It does not seem insurmountable to me. On that front anyway.

As a person who has named about 10 different things on various threads that stand out to me that point to her as MY number one suspect, still, I was curious as to what evidence you know of that points to someone else?
TIA

LE said the suspect is a male. There must have been male DNA under Somer's nails. Diena is not a male. A male definitely did this crime. He may have had help but it was still a male that killed Somer. IMO
 
  • #127
LE said the suspect is a male. There must have been male DNA under Somer's nails. Diena is not a male. A male definitely did this crime. He may have had help but it was still a male that killed Somer. IMO


When did they say that?? Can you tell just by under-fingernail DNA if a suspect is male or female? Unless you know who it is already, of course. Or unless the type of DNA is male or female specific (i.e. semen).
 
  • #128
wow where has everyone disappeared to? Has the new forum for Somer opened up yet?
 
  • #129
a male perp has been alluded to many times via news reports. if Somer was sexually assualted, they would know if it was a male for sure. If DNA was taken from her fingernails, or trace evidence, eg. say hairs from a mustahce/beard they would know. I imagine they know for sure with all the evidence and lab tests that have been done.
 
  • #130
Right. IF she was sexually assaulted. There has been no specific information released since DNA and fiber evidence results would have come in. There has been no remarks to say that the evidence excluded females. According to Sheriff, no one has been cleared except him. Still.
 
  • #131
Right. IF she was sexually assaulted. There has been no specific information released since DNA and fiber evidence results would have come in. There has been no remarks to say that the evidence excluded females. According to Sheriff, no one has been cleared except him. Still.

But, in several interviews, they say he.
IMO they may not be telling us much right now, but by saying he all the time, that's a good hint that they know it was a man.
IMO
 
  • #132
But, in several interviews, they say he.
IMO they may not be telling us much right now, but by saying he all the time, that's a good hint that they know it was a man.
IMO

In the latest update from LE in December I noticed they were careful to remain ambiguous. It was "person or persons who did this" or were involved.
Because I WANTED to know if they would give such hints since DNA results have come in.
 
  • #133
May I please give 10 things I think point to someone else?




1.America's Most Wanted said a sexual?preditor that has done this before.

2.LE was checking the house on Gano they were renovating when Somer came up missing.They went back later to get more evidence I believe from the house on Gano.

3.Witnesses last saw Somer near the house on Gano.

4.A witness saw Somer near the propane tanks near the Gano house.

5.A person G.V.that had worked?on the house on Gano or for the company working on the house was a sexual offender.LE got his car or company car to check.

6.Apparantly soot was found on Somers body when she was found?The house on Gano had had a fire.

7.Across the street from the house on Gano is a park.If the house did not have running water they could have washed up in the bathroom at the park.LE did apparantly take things evidence?from this bathroom in the park.

8.The crossing guard near the Gano house does not remember seeing her somer there.She never got to that crossing?

9.Kyle said Somer came up to him and his crew members(who are they?)and said they are doing a great job renovating the house.I believe he said Somer walked around to the back of the house?

10.If the reporter was correct and it's true Kyle places himself and his crew right with Somer at the house they were renovating.(The crime scene?)Was Kyle and the crew the last persons to see Somer?


WHO IS KYLE AND WHO WAS WITH HIM?

Why don't you send an e-mail to the reporter to ask for the full name?

There has been no indication from LE that they are dealing with a serial sexual killer. We know that by the sheriff advising people to not live in fear and no real outward indications of incidents BEFORE S. or SINCE.

Though dogs and searches may have looked at this house on Gano, there was no indication it was a potential crime scene in this case until Thurs/Fri.
Unless you think them quite incompetant in recognizing a crime scene, it SHOULD have been detected even before her body was found, not after.

Witnesses have placed S. at several conflicting locations.

The vehicles were not kept and the owners arrested so I would think there was no evidence to connect them to this crime. Such as clothing fibers and/or blood/body fluids.

The bathroom at the park never had crime scene tape as would be expected if blood evidence were there. Dogs would have alerted to that well before the filmed incident of a short visit for evidence collection on Thus/Fri.

It would be interesting when questioning the crossing guards to have named several children at random. Do you remember seeing little Johnny Doe? Do you remember seeing Janie Doe? And asked how and why they remembered them as well as asking if they saw S. at their post that afternoon. Then you could know whether their recollections were valuable. They see many children everyday. Why would a recollection or not of S. have been significant to them at the time?
 
  • #134
Why don't you send an e-mail to the reporter to ask for the full name?

There has been no indication from LE that they are dealing with a serial sexual killer. We know that by the sheriff advising people to not live in fear and no real outward indications of incidents BEFORE S. or SINCE.

Though dogs and searches may have looked at this house on Gano, there was no indication it was a potential crime scene in this case until Thurs/Fri.
Unless you think them quite incompetant in recognizing a crime scene, it SHOULD have been detected even before her body was found, not after.

Witnesses have placed S. at several conflicting locations.

The vehicles were not kept and the owners arrested so I would think there was no evidence to connect them to this crime. Such as clothing fibers and/or blood/body fluids.

The bathroom at the park never had crime scene tape as would be expected if blood evidence were there. Dogs would have alerted to that well before the filmed incident of a short visit for evidence collection on Thus/Fri.

It would be interesting when questioning the crossing guards to have named several children at random. Do you remember seeing little Johnny Doe? Do you remember seeing Janie Doe? And asked how and why they remembered them as well as asking if they saw S. at their post that afternoon. Then you could know whether their recollections were valuable. They see many children everyday. Why would a recollection or not of S. have been significant to them at the time?

We wouldn't be able to use his name if I got it any way.But I am real curious.I think they are waiting on more DNA evidence to come back.I do think it was from Somers body and the house on Gano.I do feel they are looking into these people.I hope we hear some information on the DNA evidence very soon.
 
  • #135
We wouldn't be able to use his name if I got it any way.But I am real curious.I think they are waiting on more DNA evidence to come back.I do think it was from Somers body and the house on Gano.I do feel they are looking into these people.I hope we hear some information on the DNA evidence very soon.

Dogs were out as early as Monday night. Why would the house not have been discovered as the" crime scene" until Thurs.?

I wasn't speaking of putting his name on the board, but, to satisfy your own curiosity.
 
  • #136
Dogs were out as early as Monday night. Why would the house not have been discovered as the" crime scene" until Thurs.?

I wasn't speaking of putting his name on the board, but, to satisfy your own curiosity.

Ok,I am curious LOL.I don't know why maybe a tip or cadaver dogs maybe brought out?Maybe something was found to lead them there.I don't know.I do know they have spent alot of time there apparantly.I do think something was found there.
 
  • #137
if Somer was sexually assualted, they would know if it was a male for sure.


snipped by me.

don't forget about Sandra Cantu.
 
  • #138
Graham man whose daughter was killed in Florida concerned about report
January 14, 2010 4:52 PM
<snipped>
Ever since authorities found the lifeless body of his daughter in a Georgia landfill 2 1/2 months ago, Sam Thompson&#8217;s main concern has been to catch the killer and make sure the rest of his children are safe.

Instead of thinking or wondering about what horrible things his 7-year-old daughter, Somer, may have gone through after she was abducted on her way home from school in Jacksonville, Fla., that October afternoon, Thompson said he prefers to fill his mind with warm memories of when his baby was still around.

&#8220;The time the Lord gave us with her was precious,&#8221; he said. &#8220;I am thankful about that.&#8221;

But after reading an article in a Florida newspaper Thursday about a social worker&#8217;s concerns about Somer and her siblings walking home from school, Thompson could not help but wonder whether something could have been done to protect his little girl.

He said that perhaps if the allegation had been better-handled, &#8220;Somer would be here with us right now.&#8221; If in fact, he said, the children walking home from school was not a risk, as the investigation suggested, &#8220;Why is my daughter not here with us?&#8221;

Thompson is currently trying to get custody of his children. He said that process has been going on for quite some time. He said this is not about him or his ex-wife but about Somer.

&#8220;She is the one who didn&#8217;t get to go to prom, have a first kiss,&#8221; he said. &#8220;She is the one who has been let down.&#8221;

He said right now he only wants to make sure the person who killed Somer is caught. He also wants to make sure the rest of his children, who live with their mother in Florida, continue getting the help they need to not let this affect them for the rest of their lives.

He said he is thankful for the people who offered prayers and support for him and his ex-wife during this difficult time. He said he continues praying for healing for both his ex-wife and his children.

*Much more at link!

Article:
http://www.thetimesnews.com/news/daughter-30965-landfill-ever.html

"Justice For Somer!"
:angel:
 
  • #139
Ok,I am curious LOL.I don't know why maybe a tip or cadaver dogs maybe brought out?Maybe something was found to lead them there.I don't know.I do know they have spent alot of time there apparantly.I do think something was found there.

I can say within a 99% certitude that if S was assaulted and killed in the house on Gano that fact would have been established before dawn broke on Tuesday morning. There would have been no chances taken that others would have entered that house afterward by crime scene tape being applied by Tuesday, not later sometime on Thursday. Dogs are very efficient that is why they are used and would have zeroed in on that location very quickly.
The house was on the main path followed by investigators from the school toward her home.

Any time spent there later on was not because it was a main crime scene, but, in order to establish areas and suspects to be looked at and excluded.
All possiblilities must be ruled in or out from that point on.
 
  • #140
I can say within a 99% certitude that if S was assaulted and killed in the house on Gano that fact would have been established before dawn broke on Tuesday morning. There would have been no chances taken that others would have entered that house afterward by crime scene tape being applied by Tuesday, not later sometime on Thursday. Dogs are very efficient that is why they are used and would have zeroed in on that location very quickly.
The house was on the main path followed by investigators from the school toward her home.

Any time spent there later on was not because it was a main crime scene, but, in order to establish areas and suspects to be looked at and excluded.
All possiblilities must be ruled in or out from that point on.

Ok,I still think they got evidence from the house on Gano and from Somers body and it's being tested now and they are waiting on it coming back.It's just something I feel.I just pray they got evidence from somewhere and it really does lead to Somers killer and helps to convict her killer.
 
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