FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #34

[Ms Suzanne]

I have not heard anything about him except he talked to a reporter and said he saw Somer. I don't think I've seen any info as far as last name.

Again, I do not want to sleuth a minor...but, I'd like to know if we KNOW he is a minor, how we know.

If he's not a minor, he needs to be looked at. IMO

I agree.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

The woman says that she worked with DT at the office, and it was walking distance from DT's home. She appears to be very protective of DT. Why would she go public and say that if it isn't true? What would be the point of that?

I'm not saying what she said is not true...but from following multiple cases here at Websleuths, it has always been my understanding that comments under news stories are rumor. There is no way to know if it is fact or not, so the information should be stated as rumor.

Now, IDK, but that's my understanding and that's why I pointed it out.

It does not matter to me if she is protective of DT or not.

It's either fact or rumor. Can't say fact, must be rumor. IMO

 

[Ms Suzanne]

That would seem possible, but LE has said that they have no POI's.

Didn't Somers mother say in a interview they were looking into specific people?

 

[Sunshine77]

I'm just very interested and confused how apparantly no one heard anything.Screams,fighting ????

The streets were quite crowded at that time, 30-70 children depending on which news story you believe, along with adults, cars, busses, etc. Maybe nobody noticed if she did scream. Or someone covered her mouth. Or she was taken from the park, a side street, or taken into a house and nobody could hear her.

 

[Sunshine77]

DT, from what we know from posters on news sites, worked at the OP office that day....this office is between Debarry and the Jr. High, on Kingsley Ave....just a hop skip and jump from Somer's school, and home......Somer left school with her siblings and was last seen at the Gano home around 2:45. The other children arrived home at 3:05 without Somer....SP sent them out to look for her, AT returns in 15 min, he sent her out again to look, before he called DT....she looks for an hour this time....then texts were made back and forth between DT and SP....DT leaves work unannounced....to go look for Somer.....AC gets out of school at 3:45 approx, by the time he gets home, say 30 min, has a drink, snack, complains of having to go find Somer again, I am guessing the time is about4:30.....DT should have already been home by this time since work is like 5 min driving time from the office......Why would AC be already looking at the ball park when DT got off of work....this makes no sense to me......DT states that she got off work, went to the park, and AC had already been searching there....not possible, unless he left school early that day....MO

I don't think it has ever been established AC went home. He may have gone straight to the OPAA where DT picked him up from. I know we have also discussed before the possibility AC had a cell phone, possibly DT or SP called or texted him to let him know to look for Somer.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

The streets were quite crowded at that time, 30-70 children depending on which news story you believe, along with adults, cars, busses, etc. Maybe nobody noticed if she did scream. Or someone covered her mouth. Or she was taken from the park, a side street, or taken into a house and nobody could hear her.

Ok.Thank you.I didn't know that many people were around,

 

[Ms Suzanne]

So these 30 to 70 children were walking home alone or with some one too?

 

[Sunshine77]

So these 30 to 70 children were walking home alone or with some one too?

The way it has been reported, some walked with siblings or other children, and some walked with parents. I've seen widely varying numbers of how many people would have been around. I live in Orange Park, but have never had a reason to be in the area when school let out, so I don't know for sure.

 

[ChickenPants]

I am thinking about the woods. Surely LE sleuthed the woods.

Little ST told a "story" about being taken into the woods with a man. I wonder how much he knew about the woods, what part of the woods he has ever been in...with whom? Playing with Somer, or AT, or DT, taking a walk, etc. Also, what man did he fabricate? A man they knew, a stranger, a friend? What were the chances that at any time after this (a year ago) Somer would have gone to those woods when she was running away from her group? I am thinking also that little twins talk a lot and some of them invent big make believes about running away from home, going to China, whatever...I wonder what they talked about, or if it had to to with the woods or a man. I wonder if anybody since that report ever asked little ST about it or asked him to describe the so-called imaginary man. Don't you think that you would say "whatever did you tell that story for? Making up stories is not good. You know how much I love you, and your story caused people to think that you are not loved and protected!"

Every tiny little piece of anything is significant when one knows that these kids, probably more than once, had a lot of time to go a lot of places before DT got home in the evening.

Can somebody PLEASE tell me if there was anyone at the home when they arrived after school? That person may or may not be a candidate for sleuthing. Babysitters are often #1 for LE. From 2:30 (let out of school) until 4:00 (when we heard DT left work on that day) - or did she get home later? I'm asking because one of the reasons she declined the one day care is that it did not stay open late enough ....this is a bit of time to consider...on a daily basis...TIA

 

[NSC]

I can't discuss how Kyle could be a minor, in doing so other minor kids would be mentioned and I will not discuss a minor. I never said he was not part of the crew though.....

Let's just say there is an entirely different element of that situation that has been overlooked in our earlier discussions. And again please don't ask me any more about it as it is not within tos to discuss a minor!

I will also state for the record that the kid in reference to the YouTube video is not a minor but he was confused to be as one when the word "teens" was brough up. The I to is out there if you take the time to "sleuth" it!

 

[ChickenPants]

The trouble is, in this case, we have absolutely NO evidence that points ANYWHERE. To my knowledge, LE is the only one who has any evidence, and they are not releasing it. Last I heard, there have not even been any updates from LE asking people to look for the book bag/backpack, be on the look out for anything or anyone in a long time. Could this mean they have found the book bag/backpack? Scarf and hat? They say they have a lot of evidence, but we have basically none.

Could it mean that in this point in the investigation, they are assured that the monster is not a threat to the community, because his only target was Somer? Otherwise, it would be remiss of them not to keep reminding the commnuity that a predator and a monster is on the loose.

 

[Sunshine77]

I am thinking about the woods. Surely LE sleuthed the woods.

Little ST told a "story" about being taken into the woods with a man. I wonder how much he knew about the woods, what part of the woods he has ever been in...with whom? Playing with Somer, or AT, or DT, taking a walk, etc. Also, what man did he fabricate? A man they knew, a stranger, a friend? What were the chances that at any time after this (a year ago) Somer would have gone to those woods when she was running away from her group? I am thinking also that little twins talk a lot and some of them invent big make believes about running away from home, going to China, whatever...I wonder what they talked about, or if it had to to with the woods or a man. I wonder if anybody since that report ever asked little ST about it or asked him to describe the so-called imaginary man. Don't you think that you would say "whatever did you tell that story for? Making up stories is not good. You know how much I love you, and your story caused people to think that you are not loved and protected!"

Every tiny little piece of anything is significant when one knows that these kids, probably more than once, had a lot of time to go a lot of places before DT got home in the evening.

Can somebody PLEASE tell me if there was anyone at the home when they arrived after school? That person may or may not be a candidate for sleuthing. Babysitters are often #1 for LE. From 2:30 (let out of school) until 4:00 (when we heard DT left work on that day) - or did she get home later? I'm asking because one of the reasons she declined the one day care is that it did not stay open late enough ....this is a bit of time to consider...on a daily basis...TIA

BBM. Please take everything I state as opinion and rumor, and not in any way fact.

There was the 17 yr old girl who said she babysat for a month. Rumor on message boards that she quit, I've heard locally someone say she was fired. I have no clue which one is true.

SP was there, but just the day Somer disappeared.

RUMOR only- I've heard locally that her parents helped watch the kids alot afterschool and when DT had class. Again, no clue if this is true. I've heard alot of rumors locally, and most contradict each other, just as news reports do. :banghead:

Now, for my opinion. The kids probably didn't have a regular babysitter. I think there was someone there at least part of the time, whether neighbors, friends, or family. There were probably also times they came home to no one. Though I know I'm in the minority here, I don't see a huge problem with this, and think DT was probably doing the best she could at the time and I don't judge her for this.

On this note, the article on the neglect investigation stated the school was "trying" to get DT free or reduced child care. Big difference between trying and actually making it available to her. Was it ever actually available?

 

[Sunshine77]

Could it mean that in this point in the investigation, they are assured that the monster is not a threat to the community, because his only target was Somer? Otherwise, it would be remiss of them not to keep reminding the commnuity that a predator and a monster is on the loose.

Everyone in the community knows this happened. What point would constant reminders by LE serve, except to remind the community that LE has yet to solve this and there is a child killer on the loose? If I was LE, I would not want to keep reminding people they have yet to solve it. Especially if you know you are no closer to finding the stranger who did (my opinion, of course), why would you want to create panic and fear in the community?

 

[human]

BBM. Please take everything I state as opinion and rumor, and not in any way fact.

There was the 17 yr old girl who said she babysat for a month. Rumor on message boards that she quit, I've heard locally someone say she was fired. I have no clue which one is true.

SP was there, but just the day Somer disappeared.

RUMOR only- I've heard locally that her parents helped watch the kids alot afterschool and when DT had class. Again, no clue if this is true. I've heard alot of rumors locally, and most contradict each other, just as news reports do. :banghead:

Now, for my opinion. The kids probably didn't have a regular babysitter. I think there was someone there at least part of the time, whether neighbors, friends, or family. There were probably also times they came home to no one. Though I know I'm in the minority here, I don't see a huge problem with this, and think DT was probably doing the best she could at the time and I don't judge her for this.

On this note, the article on the neglect investigation stated the school was "trying" to get DT free or reduced child care. Big difference between trying and actually making it available to her. Was it ever actually available?

Every state is different with resources, but with her stated income of $14.00 an hour, she fits low income definitions federally.

There is daycare help for low-income where I live. Don't know anything about Florida.

 

[human]

Everyone in the community knows this happened. What point would constant reminders by LE serve, except to remind the community that LE has yet to solve this and there is a child killer on the loose? If I was LE, I would not want to keep reminding people they have yet to solve it. Especially if you know you are no closer to finding the stranger who did (my opinion, of course), why would you want to create panic and fear in the community?

What do you think would happen if this happened to another child now in OP? Heads would roll! There would be investigations like you have never seen from all kinds of agencies and special Governors task force, you name it.

LE would be on the hot seat. They would be on national news. They might even make it to all kinds of National TV shows such as Dateline, etc.

 

[ChickenPants]

Somer’s mother continued to speak to the media as well as to the perpetrator of her daughter’s murder,

“This predator, this sick — I don`t know what I`m allowed to say, but this sick man, person, what — he`s not a man, he`s not a person — was waiting. He`d been waiting, and that was the perfect opportunity. There was no one else around. That`s the only thing that I could think. And probably told her, I`m going to take you to your Mommy. Watch out. We`re coming. We`re going to get you.”

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I can't discuss how Kyle could be a minor, in doing so other minor kids would be mentioned and I will not discuss a minor. I never said he was not part of the crew though.....

Let's just say there is an entirely different element of that situation that has been overlooked in our earlier discussions. And again please don't ask me any more about it as it is not within tos to discuss a minor!

I will also state for the record that the kid in reference to the YouTube video is not a minor but he was confused to be as one when the word "teens" was brough up. The I to is out there if you take the time to "sleuth" it!

I think the first thing we need to do is find out if he really is a minor because if he isn't he really does need to be looked into.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Somer’s mother continued to speak to the media as well as to the perpetrator of her daughter’s murder,

“This predator, this sick — I don`t know what I`m allowed to say, but this sick man, person, what — he`s not a man, he`s not a person — was waiting. He`d been waiting, and that was the perfect opportunity. There was no one else around. That`s the only thing that I could think. And probably told her, I`m going to take you to your Mommy. Watch out. We`re coming. We`re going to get you.”

This person could have watched her walk home a few times from school and that was the perfect opportunity.Especially if the person worked at the house on Gano.

 

[New1]

I'm not saying what she said is not true...but from following multiple cases here at Websleuths, it has always been my understanding that comments under news stories are rumor. There is no way to know if it is fact or not, so the information should be stated as rumor.

Now, IDK, but that's my understanding and that's why I pointed it out.

It does not matter to me if she is protective of DT or not.

It's either fact or rumor. Can't say fact, must be rumor. IMO

We actually can't take what is reported on TV or written in news articles or the word of LE as a "fact" in this case. I've known NG to get her facts wrong, I've seen articles in newspapers that were wrong, and LE (in this case) actually lied about the reason 4 burglary suspects were listed as being arrested at DT's house. LE said the reason was that one of the detectives who was at DT's house was called away to the scene of a burglary and he just forgot to change the address on the form. It wasn't even on the same day the MPR was done. So if we have to believe that only the above 3 sources give us th facts, then we are factless. IMO

 

[Sunshine77]

What do you think would happen if this happened to another child now in OP? Heads would roll! There would be investigations like you have never seen from all kinds of agencies and special Governors task force, you name it.

LE would be on the hot seat. They would be on national news. They might even make it to all kinds of National TV shows such as Dateline, etc.

I think LE would be in the hot seat whether or not they provide constant reminders that a child killer is out there.