FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #35

[human]

It only means she was picked up by her killer that day. I think her killer had a car and she willingly went in. Now who would have a car that she would willingly go into. Has to be an authority figure or someone who has given her rides in the past. Not a stranger. Could be PC, very likely in my book.

A dog can follow a scent even if someone gets into a car.

The missing scent is a mystery.

It's a busy street. Don't you think someone would have noticed a car stopping and picking her up? There's no place to park. I'm just wondering. Others have said she might have crossed to the park or gone on a side street without so much traffic.

I wonder how much traffic is on any other street.

Does anyone know what was going on in that park that day? They have many activities there. I wonder how many people were there and if she could have gone over there and not been noticed.

I looked on the OPAA website, but apparently no one keeps it up as nothing was posted for the month of October, although it appears that many activities go on there.

 

[petra]

:waitasec:Maybe just maybe the rest of Somers family doesn't want to be in the media limelight and are still grieving in their on private way.

This is why I really admire DT for going public to keep the memory of Somer alive. Doing any presser has to be so difficult. I think she is a very strong, brave woman and mom to go in front of the media to let the public know that Somer's murderer has not been caught yet.
If no one speaks out, the case just fades away.
Keeping up media interest may just help to bring that one tip in that LE needs.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I had transcribed the snipped bit with the dog handler. I'm sure the link doesn't work because the videos all are going poof ...

So ... I don't know if you want to call this FACT or RUMOR.

Transcription by me. May not be exact.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer

Melanie Russel – The dog handler whose dog Kaluha lost Somer’s scent at DeBarry and Gano.



REPORTER: We are 4 to 5 blocks from Somer's school on Gano. Kahlua, the dog, is tracking the scent of a little girl.

MELANIE: I used her bed sheets.

REPORTER: Office Melanie Russell of St. John's County Sheriff's Department.

MELANIE: I just pass it under her nose; she knows that's what she ... the scent she needs to look for, and we're off.

REPORTER: But the conditions could be better.

MELANIE: If it was all grass or in the woods, it would be per -- ideal conditions. But unfortunately urban conditions like this, the scent is going to bake off the pavement, esp. of all the contamination of the cars going by, people walking by it blows the scent around. Scent's like smoke. So all that activity is blowing the smoke everywhere. So she might be walking on the opposite side of the street. All the activity is blowing the smoke

REPORTER: At least though it's not 85-90 degrees, when scents bake off she said. Kahlua lost the scent at this intersection of DeBarry and Gano.

Scents last a week, so is this where Somer possibly disappeared, or did Kahlua just pick up the scent of Somer's normal path home?

Thank you.What is all around this area?

 

[Ms Suzanne]

https://www.myfloridalicense.com/LicenseDetail.asp?SID=&id=7D607AB6D28C3A2694C912C91DD2FAE6

He has no business partner listed. His sister is the one who referred to the business partner. I figured it was Kyle and tried to look up related licenses for Kyle with various last names of other key players, but came up empty handed.

From http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/special/somer/news-article.aspx?storyid=147122&catid=338

The Vinsons' sister Alissa Barrs, who lives at the same address in Mandarin as George Vinson, said her brothers have been questioned by police. She said on Friday afternoon that George Vinson, 33, worked at the Gano home about two months ago, but then found other work.


James Vinson and his business partner were interrogated for hours by detectives on Thursday, she said, and George Vinson was being questioned Friday.

Thank you.I thought I remember an article say there was a 3 man crew.Who were they?I don't think GV was there any more.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I hoped they had unknown forensics (DNA) that had been found on Somer and hoped that when they tested known DNA (from RSOs, family, friends, coworkers, etc.) they would come up with a match.

If there was no stranger DNA on Somer, then would it not mean that she was killed by one of the people whose DNA was found on her?

That's what made me think there was stranger DNA on her ...

Since the keeping quiet hasn't worked very well for the Sheriff ... maybe he'd like to open up a bit.

I was thinking that too.The DNA came back and did not match anyone or it was contaminated or inconclusive.I agree maybe the sheriff should open up a little bit.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

:waitasec:Maybe just maybe the rest of Somers family doesn't want to be in the media limelight and are still grieving in their on private way.

Or maybe you could say those who were not there for Somer in life are not there keeping her story alive now that she's gone.

DT was there for her in life and thank God she's there to keep her story alive now that she's gone.

Not all of America are WSers and are continuing to follow this case. Most people only have heard what has been on the national news.

I commend DT for not wanting the world to forget about Somer.

 

[New1]

Oh well.I guess that doesn't narrow it down.Sigh.Ok,Thank you.May I ask where you heard this.I got what I had from the AMW site.

BBM

Straight from the Sheriff's mouth.

 

[zannah]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=133945&provider=top

Anyone wanna see if we can find any connections to somer?

I haven't located any direct connections. But in looking at him again, I pulled up an older address for him and when I mapped it, noticed a gray car in the driveway.

It brought to mind the other story of the guy in his 20's with black spiky hair following a girl near Cherry Elementary.
http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/11/another-possible-abduction-att.html

I am hopeless at identifying cars, but it did appear to be an older 4-door. This guy's probation was violated on 1-13 and it looks like he's being held without bond pre-trial on the impersonating an officer charge.

 

[hoppyfrog]

It only means she was picked up by her killer that day. I think her killer had a car and she willingly went in. Now who would have a car that she would willingly go into. Has to be an authority figure or someone who has given her rides in the past. Not a stranger. Could be PC, very likely in my book.

Why couldn't it be a stranger who forced her into a car?

Hoppy

 

[New1]

If the dogs lost her scent at Gano and Debarry, wouldn't she have already been PAST the burned house on Gano? If the scent could have been from days ago on her regular walk home, would it have just suddenly stopped before it went on to her home? If she was picked up by a car at the point they lost her scent, isn't there a crossing guard there at that intersection who would have seen it?

According to one WS member's son, who talked to the crossing guard at Grove Park and Gano, Somer never made it that far - just one house over from the 1080 Gano house. If she never made it that far, she never made it to Gano and Debarry where the dogs lost her scent. Unless she was somewhere else till the crossing guard at Gano and Grove Park and the one at Gano and Debarry had already gone for the day then made it to Gano and Debarry AFTER the crossing guards were gone. Does anyone know what time the crossing guards for those two intersections leave for the day?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

It only means she was picked up by her killer that day. I think her killer had a car and she willingly went in. Now who would have a car that she would willingly go into. Has to be an authority figure or someone who has given her rides in the past. Not a stranger. Could be PC, very likely in my book.

but wasn't CP at work when DT called him to come home to help look for Somer?
I'm sure LE would have verified that.

 

[human]

but wasn't CP at work when DT called him to come home to help look for Somer?
I'm sure LE would have verified that.

That's what DT says she did. If he had a cell, where was he?

I am sure that LE knows exactly where PC was. LE has so much technology available to them that it really is scary.

But if a family member did it, it's very problematic because their DNA would show up on Somer totally naturally. Easily explained away. Hard to prove without other evidence.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

But if CP was at work or not should be very easy to prove. That was my point.

I don't think a family member did this and I don't think LE thinks so either.

JMO

 

[human]

But if CP was at work or not should be very easy to prove. That was my point.

I don't think a family member did this and I don't think LE thinks so either.

JMO

Being at work is a very interesting concept.

People can be at work and be at all kinds of unverifiable places. I am out and about on the job all day. There are segments that I could verify and then there are time periods that no one would have a clue where I am. They would have to take my word for it.

Or, LE could get info from computers in my car as to where I have been. Or I could park and walk to where I am going.

How many people pay attention to anyone walking or what they are doing, period, unless they stick out for some reason.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I'm sure LE has looked into it.

 

[dar107]

But if CP was at work or not should be very easy to prove. That was my point.

I don't think a family member did this and I don't think LE thinks so either.

JMO

Neither do I. I think that if there were lies made initially on of police report, LE would have been all over them immediately and there would have been either an arrest or at the least some definitive signs from LE that family members/friends were suspected. i also was asking if lie detector tests would be standard procedure, I thought it would be in most cases like this just so they can clear family members ASAP, and move on to other suspects. I have not heard anything about that on these threads. It makes me wonder if the reason LE has not come out to say the family is cleared, is because they want to give the perp or there possible suspects a false sense of security.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Noway posted something yesterday that said the forensic evidence is not back yet.
I hope they get answers from that.

I just think this was a stranger or one of the construction workers that Somer was familier with.

I don't understand the mindset of trashing DT and everybody DT knows without evidence to back it up. DT has been sleuthed for a while now with nothing coming of it that would point to her doing this or covering.

Do you think DT would cover for a boyfriend that killed her child? I don't.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Neither do I. I think that if there were lies made initially on of police report, LE would have been all over them immediately and there would have been either an arrest or at the least some definitive signs from LE that family members/friends were suspected. i also was asking if lie detector tests would be standard procedure, I thought it would be in most cases like this just so they can clear family members ASAP, and move on to other suspects. I have not heard anything about that on these threads. It makes me wonder if the reason LE has not come out to say the family is cleared, is because they want to give the perp or there possible suspects a false sense of security.

I agree. They have made no public statements of anyone being cleared that I'm aware of.

 

[dar107]

http://jacksonville.com/community/c...e_can_pay_for_overtime_in_somer_thompson_case

FYI

Good to hear that LE is getting the funding needed!

 

[human]

Neither do I. I think that if there were lies made initially on of police report, LE would have been all over them immediately and there would have been either an arrest or at the least some definitive signs from LE that family members/friends were suspected. i also was asking if lie detector tests would be standard procedure, I thought it would be in most cases like this just so they can clear family members ASAP, and move on to other suspects. I have not heard anything about that on these threads. It makes me wonder if the reason LE has not come out to say the family is cleared, is because they want to give the perp or there possible suspects a false sense of security.

That is the exact problem. There have been the inconsistencies on the police report.

And they have POINTEDLY not cleared the family, even thought DT has gotten death threats. Does that make sense to you? Does that sound responsible at all to put DT and her family at risk by LE for no reason except to play a game?

If that's the point, they could play a different game to befuddle the perp.