FL FL - Sumter Co, 'Little Miss Panasoffkee', WhtFem 17-24, 470UFFL, Feb'71

[ChatteringBirds]

Was there any specific information about the carpet?

Mary Margaret Cook is a potential match with quite A LOT of circumstances that add up with this particular Doe.

(From NAMUS) "their oldest son recalls arguing and his father's stern orders "not to look outside." The son believes that Margaret's body may have been wrapped in a red blanket which Earl retrieved from the house."

I don't see what age the son was when he witnessed this, and maybe he mistook a carpet for a blanket?



The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

From a cursory look, I agree with this as a good possible match. State of Florida, timing, both women are petite, they even both have mention of something about their right ankles.
How traumatic that must have been for MMC's son.

 

[Feme98]

Regarding the new information of the body being found wrapped in a carpet. From the video released by LE, her hand was sticking from the lake when the two hitchhikers found her.

 

[lonewanderer]

From a cursory look, I agree with this as a good possible match. State of Florida, timing, both women are petite, they even both have mention of something about their right ankles.
How traumatic that must have been for MMC's son.

Cook was also working on making a green dress, and the doe was in a green dress.

Much greater detail has been gone into in sandwiched posts in this thread mentioned both for and against in being Cook.

 

[coffeeandacig]

Revision/update to my earlier drawing of this young lady.

 

[Friday Fan]

There is no mention of any labels on her clothing. Back then you could tell alot about a person from where they shopped. We didn't have discount outlets like Ross Dress for Less etc. Her clothes were trendy for that time. These were clothes that were worn to work or on a date.

Clothes were purchased from either trendy department stores, boutiques or budget stores like Penney's, Sear's etc. Where you shopped said alot about your budget and social circles.

I don't know why this wasn't determined at the time.

I'm also confused about the lead isotopes. We had leaded gas in the US until 1975.

And yeah, I agree with the priest, I can't picture pilgrims from Greece traveling to the US to attend an Epiphany celebration!

Clues emerge in cold case murder that may be tied to Tarpon Springs



If Greek communities are like Armenian communities, if someone is missing everyone talks. Seriously...

 

[Kacren011]

This is my first post here. I am curious if anyone has contacted orthopedic experts for information on how common the Watson-Jones procedure was during 67-70, and what surgeons were performing the procedure during this time. I also recall seeing that the dental work she received reflected techniques common in the New York City area. Or has anyone looked at immigration records from the Lavros, Greece area.....

 

[Kacren011]

Not to my knowledge. The last I remember was that she was recognized by someone and mentioned on a Greek talk show and it was said she possibly had a brother.

Yes, here is the talk show link below. I would think that the school which was sponsored by the UN would have records somewhere.

 

[lonewanderer]

There is no mention of any labels on her clothing. Back then you could tell alot about a person from where they shopped. We didn't have discount outlets like Ross Dress for Less etc. Her clothes were trendy for that time. These were clothes that were worn to work or on a date.

Clothes were purchased from either trendy department stores, boutiques or budget stores like Penney's, Sear's etc. Where you shopped said alot about your budget and social circles.

I don't know why this wasn't determined at the time.

I'm also confused about the lead isotopes. We had leaded gas in the US until 1975.

And yeah, I agree with the priest, I can't picture pilgrims from Greece traveling to the US to attend an Epiphany celebration!

Clues emerge in cold case murder that may be tied to Tarpon Springs



If Greek communities are like Armenian communities, if someone is missing everyone talks. Seriously...

I am stuck on a certain missing person as a likely candidate for this UID: Mary Margaret Cook

Cook was working on making her own green dress at the time of her disappearance.

In addition to that, Cook was potentially wrapped in a carpet or blanket according to her young son (who may have witnessed his father packing her into a car after murdering her). Cook went missing around the same time the UID was found. She was from Florida, has similar height, weight, hair and facial features, in addition to a strange scar on her ankle.

I am also very weary of isotope testing, just look at Beth Doe as an example. She was thought to be European of some kind, but turned out to be a Hispanic girl from New York. There is another case where the testing was WAY off but I can't think of it at the moment.

 

[Kacren011]

This is the organization that ran the domestic schools mentioned in the Greek talk show International Organization for Migration. I am not sure if they have ever been contacted. Also I think it would be worthwhile to find a genealogist that specializes in Greek records, perhaps they can check church records in the Lavros area. I really think there might be something to the Greece theory, since there is a large Greek population in that area of Florida and this occurred during epiphany celebrations. If she is Konstantina, this might explain why no family has come forward with any matching info. There are several scenarios I can think of where she would have become estranged from her employing family. It's also possible that if she were employed by a wealthy family, they had her dental and medical needs taken care of upon her arrival.

 

[Susikatze]

I am not a fan of the Konstantins theory. LMLP wore expensive rings and fashionable clothing. She had high class dental work. She had at least one or two children.
This does not fit very well with the scenario of a young, single woman sent to the US as a domestic helper a few months before.
Yes she could have gotten married right after arrival. Still she would not have children then.
If she indeed was Greek, then she was certainly not Konstantina.

I am sceptic about the whole isotope testing, anyway, she may have been a regular American woman.

 

[PayrollNerd]

In 1971, it is possible that her birth and or baptism would have been recorded in the church records. If they have their ideas on what area she was from, perhaps whoever is working on her tree, could contact the churches for records. If it's not on a public site that is.

My late aunt was a genealogist and would write to churches in Czechoslovakia to have them confirm information. The church had a genealogist who researched and found my great great grandparents marriage, confirmed the date - it was off by 5 years - they wrote a letter back in 1997.

 

[Beekarina]

I found an interesting description of Mary Cook's teeth:

Justice for Native People: Mary Cook, Missing from Florida since 1970.

DOB: 04/26/1945
Description: Mary was 4'11 and between 145-150 pounds at the time of her disappearance.She has brown hair and blue/hazel eyes. She wore cats eye glasses and could not see without them. She had great teeth in 1970 and had had no dental care. She had a birthmark on the outside of her leg above her right ankle. She may have been pregnant when she disappeared.

This seems at odds with LMLP, as she is described as having "extensive dental work."

Edited to add: The mark on her right ankle is also noted as a birthmark, and not an injury.

 

[Beekarina]

Scrolling back, I can see this is repeat of older info, but perhaps still useful to have current.

 

[Beekarina]

I can't remember if I have suggested this before, but looking at @coffeeandacig sketch, I thought of Robin Graham......

I know we would need to explain how she ends up in Florida months after disappearing from California, but just a thought.

Robin Ann Graham

 

[lonewanderer]

I found an interesting description of Mary Cook's teeth:

Justice for Native People: Mary Cook, Missing from Florida since 1970.

DOB: 04/26/1945
Description: Mary was 4'11 and between 145-150 pounds at the time of her disappearance.She has brown hair and blue/hazel eyes. She wore cats eye glasses and could not see without them. She had great teeth in 1970 and had had no dental care. She had a birthmark on the outside of her leg above her right ankle. She may have been pregnant when she disappeared.

This seems at odds with LMLP, as she is described as having "extensive dental work."

Edited to add: The mark on her right ankle is also noted as a birthmark, and not an injury.

Oooooh is Mary Cook native too? Interesting....based on what we know about the UID's description.

I had not seen a detailed article about her teeth before you posted in.

For me, dentals can be misleading. Some people's version of "perfect teeth" means the person has a couple left in their mouth. Other people may consider "perfect teeth" to be absolutely no dental work and shiny pristine pearls.

A lot adds up for Cook, but a lot goes against her too.

 

[Beekarina]

Oooooh is Mary Cook native too? Interesting....based on what we know about the UID's description.

I had not seen a detailed article about her teeth before you posted in.

For me, dentals can be misleading. Some people's version of "perfect teeth" means the person has a couple left in their mouth. Other people may consider "perfect teeth" to be absolutely no dental work and shiny pristine pearls.

A lot adds up for Cook, but a lot goes against her too.

Mary is described as biracial/Native American.

Yes, the dental thing--if she had "no dental care", she could not also have "extensive dental work" though?

 

[Feme98]

Mary is described as biracial/Native American.

Yes, the dental thing--if she had "no dental care", she could not also have "extensive dental work" though?

I agree, it's possible that her teeth didn't show any sign of cavities, perhaps her teeth was all straight.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

could it be a possibility? this missing woman is of European descent


Barbara Jean Paciotti – The Charley Project.

 

[Feme98]

could it be a possibility? this missing woman is of European descent


Barbara Jean Paciotti – The Charley Project.

From the Charley Project report, it seems that Barbara met with foul play shortly after getting into the car.

The gap of 2 years until the UID’s body was found is a bit of a stretch.

 

[SurrealisticSlumbers]

I will just echo what others have said regarding the isotope testing not necessarily being the gospel truth. Is she of Greek or Mediterranean extraction? Based on her reconstruction photos, that would appear to be the case. I believe we are looking at either a "swarthy" white person or someone of Native heritage. Whoever she is or wherever she came from, there seems to have been a reason that no one has reported her missing. Logically it may be a similar situation to Evelyn Colon or Reet Jurvetson, where a romantic interest / relationship went south. I expect that if there's at some point a DNA hit through one of her relatives, we might soon be learning more info about who she might be. I have to say I'm glad that more and more people have their DNA "in the system" via simple ancestry reports that cost as little as fifty bucks through companies like AncestryDNA... it's really helping us in a much greater order of magnitude in getting these people identified. If you can establish a genetic relationship with a living person, as we've seen, that often turns out to solve what decades of detective work couldn't... so, really hope we can get a close relative IDed.