GUILTY FL - Taylor Rose Williams, 5, found deceased, Jacksonville, 6 Nov 2019 *Arrest* #4

[MimosaMornings]

Hi All,

When I try to like a comment I keep getting the following error message

The following error occurred:
You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action.

Does anyone know why this is happening? Or how I get it fixed? TIA

I got that last night when trying to view a picture a new member had posted. A few minutes later when I returned to that particular post to try again - the post had been deleted.

 

[okayloki]

I found this article to be quite interesting. BBM.

“In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes.

But how good are dogs at detecting a skeleton from which all the flesh has fallen away? In one study involving four dogs and their handlers, Jacobi says the dogs were able to detect remains at all stages of decomposition.”

The CSI death dogs: Sniffing out the truth behind the crime-scene canines


JMO but it seems like whether the person had been dead within 3 hours or a lot longer, the dogs were able to pick the scent up. They still had a decent amount of accuracy even when the carpet was exposed for only 2 minutes.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

If you were banned, or put in WS jail for awhile, you couldn’t post at all, or see any of the discussions if you were logged in. It would say you are not authorized. I’m trying to remember what else it said when you are relegated to WS jail because it’s been a long time ago for me.

There’s a WS jail? What is that? And why and/or how does someone end up there?

 

[0101ABA]

There’s a WS jail? What is that? And why and/or how does someone end up there?

By jail, they meant being put on a time out. It can either be thread specific or Websleuths wide, depending on the infraction. Generally it’s because of multiple blatant violations of WS’s terms of service. Nothing to worry about for most posters!

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

It seems like something more than just a single mother who became overwhelmed.
An act of long-term evil and revenge against someone.

And BW cannot blame her acts on a 'bad childhood'.
Some have had terrible times while growing up and have never hurt a child or anyone else for that matter.

FFR!

 

[twall]

Former neighbor of Brianna Williams describes surprising infrequency of seeing her daughter
A former neighbor of Brianna Williams says she recalls hardly seeing her daughter in the two years she lived in the same neighborhood.

Former neighbor of Brianna Williams describes surprising infrequency of seeing her daughter

I wish they would have specified summer of 2018 or 2019?!

 

[Lillymac]

If you were banned, or put in WS jail for awhile, you couldn’t post at all, or see any of the discussions if you were logged in. It would say you are not authorized. I’m trying to remember what else it said when you are relegated to WS jail because it’s been a long time ago for me.

If you're in time out you can still see and read the posts, but you can't post a comment. You can like it though. I've gotten that message before and it was because the post was being deleted or was deleted.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

First Coast News has learned that the work of making a DNA match to the remains is underway. That process, which began Friday, was expected to take about a week.

Prior to the DNA analysis, some delay was created by an Alabama law requiring a coroner make an initial determination of the cause of death. Even in cases where a body is significantly decomposed, as multiple sources tell First Coast News was the case with the Alabama remains, it is up to the coroner to determine the manner and cause of death. If foul play is expected, the coroner then directs the body for an autopsy.

An autopsy was conducted Friday by the Alabama Department of Forensic Sciences, which is where the DNA sample was obtained. That DNA will be matched to DNA found on some of the girl’s belongings. The body will eventually be sent to the Duval County Medical Examiner’s Office.

While the final DNA determination is pending, local officials think the remains likely belong to the missing girl. At a press conference Tuesday, Nov. 12, Sheriff Mike Williams said, “While indications are that this may be Taylor Williams, the exact identification of the victim will be made pending some detailed forensic analysis of those remains.”
Here's why it's taking so long to figure out if the body is Taylor Williams

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“I’ve worked with these detectives,” said Smith, who is now a forensics lecturer at the University of Florida. “They’re the best in the business. I know them all. I know they’re highly skilled. I know that they know what they’re doing.”

Smith said the medical examiner is likely using dental records, DNA, clothing samples and a forensic anthropologist to figure out the identity, cause and manner of death -- all very important for an impending criminal case. The longer the remains had been there, the harder it is to confirm the identity.

“We’re dealing with a window from two weeks to six months,” the former evidence tech noted. “That’s a huge window here and the medical examiner will be able to determine within a reasonable amount of time how long those remains (have been) there. As time goes on, you lose evidence, that that’s just a given, especially when the person is out in the elements.”
2 weeks later, few answers in Taylor Williams’ disappearance

 

[Podengo]

We had a local case here (Pazuzu Algarad) where I believe two cadaver dogs totally missed two bodies a few months old buried less than two feet in a backyard. Sadly it took another three or four years for cops to go back because they trusted the dogs. Pazuzu killed animals for sacrifice and there was dead stuff everywhere there. I’m not sure if that’s what threw off the handlers and dogs or what. A scent dog is only as good as the handler who reads him, tho.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[Seajay]

By jail, they meant being put on a time out. It can either be thread specific or Websleuths wide, depending on the infraction. Generally it’s because of multiple blatant violations of WS’s terms of service. Nothing to worry about for most posters!

Thanks for answering that for me KayElJay. I didn’t want to break TOS by talking about it. Lol

 

[mickey2942]

The Facebook group for Taylor Rose is very interesting. Looking forward to see if BW goes quietly and takes a plea, or tries to go to court and plead "Not Guilty".

Does anyone think that the death penalty is possible here?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Direct video:
https://media.firstcoastnews.com/embeds/video/77-c689aa18-c014-40c3-acc4-b8fe8b11f37b/iframe
Former neighbor of Brianna Williams describes surprising infrequency of seeing her daughter

Family: Brianna Williams on life-support after suicide attempt following discovery of a child's remain in Alabama

Did missing 5-year-old Taylor Rose Williams' 'village' fail her?

Family | Brianna Williams out of coma, talking

Here's why Brianna Williams' name doesn't appear in the hospital directory

Arrest warrant details child neglect, Brianna Williams' alleged lies prior to 5-year-old Taylor Williams' disappearance

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“She’s not the same person she was in high school,” the classmate told Action News Jax. ” Like, really, to know Brianna is to love Brianna.”

Brianna and Taylor Williams [Family Handout]
“At first, I was like, there’s no way in the world that all of this, like, she … could do this stuff,” the classmate told Action News Jax. “But then as the story went to progressing, certain stuff didn’t make sense, half of the story didn’t make sense.”

Read the full affidavit below.

Taylor Williams: Brianna Wi… by Leigh Egan on Scribd

‘There’s no way in the world’: Friend speaks out after missing tot girl Taylor Williams’ mother gets charged, tries to kill herself

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The Facebook group for Taylor Rose is very interesting. Looking forward to see if BW goes quietly and takes a plea, or tries to go to court and plead "Not Guilty".

Does anyone think that the death penalty is possible here?

I’m new to this one mickey so I’m trying to absorb all this. But at first glance - this is not looking so good for mom. I’ve been trying to stay away from child cases lately. I fail every time I try. Every. Single. Time.

 

[oviedo]

I found this article to be quite interesting. BBM.

“In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes.

But how good are dogs at detecting a skeleton from which all the flesh has fallen away? In one study involving four dogs and their handlers, Jacobi says the dogs were able to detect remains at all stages of decomposition.”

The CSI death dogs: Sniffing out the truth behind the crime-scene canines


JMO but it seems like whether the person had been dead within 3 hours or a lot longer, the dogs were able to pick the scent up. They still had a decent amount of accuracy even when the carpet was exposed for only 2 minutes.

Thanks for posting this. Welcome to WS!

 

[oviedo]

The Facebook group for Taylor Rose is very interesting. Looking forward to see if BW goes quietly and takes a plea, or tries to go to court and plead "Not Guilty".

Does anyone think that the death penalty is possible here?

Not if they can't determine cause of death IMO. Too risky.

 

[Edinlass]

This is a control freak. Controlled her daughter, controlled who could see her and controlled when to report her missing. All on her watch. She’s a poor excuse for a human.

 

[tlcya]

So disheartening that we are still waiting on ID. Ireally fear the state of remains will prevent determination of COD and it breaks my heart to watch this thread fall down onto page two with such limited activity. But what is there to say until we have more to go on? We have hit the wall.