FL - Terrorist Discussion/49 Killed in Orlando at Nightclub Pulse

[sonjay]

Steelman, since you have been told that 'God' was replaced for the word "Allah" do you think their intentions at the time was to muddy the waters to make people think that Mateen was possibly a Christian, and not a Muslim radical extremist? TIA Whoever changed any of these transcripts should be immediately fired.

I just cant think of any other reason to change it and find it very creepy that it was changed at all to begin with even though I instantly thought words had been added and others removed.

I'm not Steelman, but I believe that Lynch thought this sounded way too Islamic-terroristy:

"Praise be to Allah, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of Allah,

I pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi may Allah protect him on behalf of the Islamic State

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm not Steelman, but I believe that Lynch thought this sounded way too Islamic-terroristy:

Yeah, she wouldn't ever want it to sound just like what he really was. Ugghhh.

 

[K_Z]

Did I miss something in the released transcripts from OM’s conversations during the massacre? Because unless I missed it, he didn’t say a single thing about gay people. I don’t even think he specifically said he hated gay people, did he?

He didn’t sound very delusional, either. Nor like he was having hallucinations. He didn’t say the guns whispered to him and demanded to be taken out to the nightclub. In fact, his words sound quite coherent, focused, calm, and organized.

He did, however, have a whole lot to say about islam, allah, and pledging loyalty to Abu Bakr Albagdadi, and ISIS. Which our government officials, at the highest levels of leadership, are desperately trying to deny and suppress. Because he was an American citizen, and also a radical muslim terrorist carrying out a radical islamic terrorist attack.

 

[K_Z]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...-spot-future-terrorists/ar-AAhpyzM?li=BBnb7Kz

Across Europe and the United States, law enforcement officials are struggling to reckon with attackers like Mr. Abballa and Omar Mateen, whose shooting rampage this month at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Fla., left 49 dead. They are men who clearly seemed to be building toward violent acts, and whose names had surfaced in terrorism investigations, but who avoided crossing legal lines that could tip off the authorities until it was too late.

With thousands of terrorism surveillance cases running at any given time, the European authorities say they are swamped and are in the difficult position of trying to head off attacks of which the only forewarning is often in the form of what someone thinks or what they are overheard saying.

“A man is in a shop and thinks about stealing an object,” said Georges Sauveur, a Paris lawyer who has defended several terrorism suspects, including one of the men who accompanied Mr. Abballa to the forest in 2011 to slaughter the rabbits. “What do you do? You put him in jail?”

After Mr. Abballa killed the couple in Magnanville, France, last week, a deputy in Parliament, Éric Ciotti, introduced a bill creating the status of “administrative detention” for those representing a security threat.

In effect, he was calling for rapid prioritization of the S List, and he said the bill would be aimed at immediately detaining hundreds of those deemed to pose the highest risk, placing them under house arrest or in a detention center.

He called the measure necessary because the penal code is based on proving that an individual is not just talking or thinking about committing an act of terrorism, but has taken steps toward carrying out the act.

“These people are known to us,” he said. “I want to be able to take preventive action.”

Prime Minister Manuel Valls said last week that he would consider the proposal, but that there would be “no Guantánamo” in France, the French newspaper Libération reported.

 

[cady]

Steelman, since you have been told that 'God' was replaced for the word "Allah" do you think their intentions at the time was to muddy the waters to make people think that Mateen was possibly a Christian, and not a Muslim radical extremist? TIA Whoever changed any of these transcripts should be immediately fired.

I just cant think of any other reason to change it and find it very creepy that it was changed at all to begin with even though I instantly thought words had been added and others removed.

WOW a lot of paranoia over nothing. The statement was made in Arabic. When it was translated, the English word for Allah (which is Arabic) was written as God, which is the English equivalent . If they had published what he said, verbatim, in Arabic, it is likely that the only people who could comprehend it would be readers and speakers of Arabic. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

WOW a lot of paranoia over nothing. The statement was made in Arabic. When it was translated, the English word for Allah (which is Arabic) was written as God, which is the English equivalent . If they had published what he said, verbatim, in Arabic, it is likely that the only people who could comprehend it would be readers and speakers of Arabic. JMO

I haven't heard English speaking Muslims say God when referring to Allah. From what I have seen they say Allah instead.

It isn't paranoia. Everyone in this country knows what Allah is and which religious faith calls their God... Allah.

So Allah most certainly should have been put in the transcript.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I haven't heard English speaking Muslims say God when referring to Allah. From what I have seen they say Allah instead.

It isn't paranoia. Everyone in this country knows what Allah is and which religious faith calls their God... Allah.

So Allah most certainly should have been put in the transcript.

It's obvious to me why the government decided to use "God" instead of "Allah". They were trying to steer the public's view of the killer away from being an Islamic terrorist. JMO

 

[0101ABA]

A Sacramento, Calif., church whose pastor celebrated the Orlando massacre will not have its lease renewed next year, its landlord said Tuesday.

(...)

Hundreds of protesters gathered for a demonstration outside the church on Sunday. Executives from the independent church’s landlord, Harsch Investment Properties, told KXTV on Tuesday that Jimenez’s church will not have its 4,700-square-foot lease renewed at the end of March 2017, and Jimenez can move the church out before the current lease expires at no penalty.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...orlando-shooting-lose-lease-article-1.2682475

(I posted this in the Orlando shooting thread also and WS member Cady asked for it to be posted here as well)

 

[steelman]

I haven't heard English speaking Muslims say God when referring to Allah. From what I have seen they say Allah instead.

It isn't paranoia. Everyone in this country knows what Allah is and which religious faith calls their God... Allah.

So Allah most certainly should have been put in the transcript.

That is a big part of the reason why the actual audio of the 9/11 calls haven't been released. Has anybody out there heard them ? No, you haven't.

They can omit and change words in typed form, and put parentheses around other words noted as (arabic). He didn't call 9/11 and speak in arabic, he spoke in english. The 9/11 operator understood him just fine all 3 times he called. Even the victims heard him proclaim that he was doing this in the name of Allah (not God).

Any words the DOJ found to be problematic were edited. If and when they ever release the actual audio, it will be very obvious how edited and redacted the type-written version was. Don't expect that to happen anytime soon...........at least not until after the next election.

 

[steelman]

Steelman, since you have been told that 'God' was replaced for the word "Allah" do you think their intentions at the time was to muddy the waters to make people think that Mateen was possibly a Christian, and not a Muslim radical extremist? TIA Whoever changed any of these transcripts should be immediately fired.

I just cant think of any other reason to change it and find it very creepy that it was changed at all to begin with even though I instantly thought words had been added and others removed.

That's exactly why they did it. The current administration will fall all over itself to make sure that nothing negative about Islam is published or talked about in press conferences. Why would rigging the 9/11 calls to reflect that policy be a surprise to anyone ? The answer is: because we all expect our government to be open and honest with us. Not this bunch.

 

[human]

What life is like for some Muslim fanilies because of the hatred they receive. Sad. Death threats.

http://m.startribune.com/fear-stalks-minnesota-muslims-as-anti-islam-feeling-builds/383809081/

 

[bluesneakers]

WOW a lot of paranoia over nothing. The statement was made in Arabic. When it was translated, the English word for Allah (which is Arabic) was written as God, which is the English equivalent . If they had published what he said, verbatim, in Arabic, it is likely that the only people who could comprehend it would be readers and speakers of Arabic. JMO

Translate it however - Allah is the same God. Just a different name.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That's exactly why they did it. The current administration will fall all over itself to make sure that nothing negative about Islam is published or talked about in press conferences. Why would rigging the 9/11 calls to reflect that policy be a surprise to anyone ? The answer is: because we all expect our government to be open and honest with us. Not this bunch.

Thank you. I was thinking this morning when Cady's post mentioned being 'paranoid' that really describes this present administration to a T. It seems they will do everything they possibly can in their power to cover up for Muslims even the ones who they know have become radicalized wanting to murder us and have already done so. If our own federal government wants to whitewash what they have done to minimalize it and who they really are then we will never find a way to out these fanatics before they do more mass killings.

I think FBI Director would do these investigations much differently and for much longer if he wasn't under the DOJs thumb. He really seems like a very honest and credible man who cares deeply about the citizens in this country.

Talking about expecting our federal government to be open and honest the biggest joke ever pulled on all of the American people is when Obama ran a campaign to get elected by saying he was going to be the most transparent President ever. What a joke. A sad twisted joke though on the citizens of this country.

This President and his administration have been the least transparent I can ever remember and I am pretty darned old with an astute memory. So much concerning this administration is always cloaked in darkness and secrecy. His transparency has been thick as mud.

Did they ever unseal all the documents in the Fast and Furious fiasco? I don't even know how they could have been sealed that evidence from the citizens anyway. The federal government works for the people and I suppose they forgot that or just don't care. It seems far more important to be secretive to cover up for someone rather than come out with the truth.

The only time we get a glimpse of just how bad it has been is when one of his appointed officials in different departments are no longer connected to him or his administration. Then they write a tell all book and most all of them put him in a very negative light. I think once he is no longer in power there will be more revealing books written about just what all went on during his eight years in office. No matter who has written books about their time at the WH pretty much of it is consistent and he is known as very narcissistic and he cant stand being told he is wrong. Some even implied he expected to be treat like royalty and he is never to be questioned so matter how stupid his thought processes may be.

We know he has had loads of very seasoned military officers advise him over and over again on how to fight Isis only for him to do it his way and his way isn't containing Isis nor is it destroying them no matter how many lies he tells. The CIA Director just the other day told congress that Isis grows stronger and is invading more and more countries. What else is also consistent with this President is he will come out and say something and it wont be but a few days before someone proves he was all wrong and just blatantly lied to the American people. He has done that many times about Isis and other terrorists who have struck here. He chastises the American people for being fearful of terrorist attacks yet they happen over and over again. He lies about the refugees being mostly women and children yet the news shows the mass of refugees and most of them aren't women and children at all but are healthy young male adults. He truly must think everyone in America is stupid except him.

He is not one who brings all people together. He is the worst divider we have ever had as President, imo.

I have read that he has many Muslims on his staff. Does anyone know what positions they hold? Would they be privy to confidential information concerning Muslim terrorists that the FBI or the CIA gathers information on? It just strikes me odd that the last two radical Muslim terror attacks all three were known to the FBI but the investigation was dropped. Have there been other Muslim terrorists who have murdered our people here who also had been on the radar of the FBI and was already known to them before the shootings? TIA

 

[bluesneakers]

Thank you. I was thinking this morning when Cady's post mentioned being 'paranoid' that really describes this present administration to a T. It seems they will do everything they possibly can in their power to cover up for Muslims even the ones who they know have become radicalized wanting to murder us and have already done so. If our own federal government wants to whitewash what they have done to minimalize it and who they really are then we will never find a way to out these fanatics before they do more mass killings.

I think FBI Director would do these investigations much differently and for much longer if he wasn't under the DOJs thumb. He really seems like a very honest and credible man who cares deeply about the citizens in this country.

Talking about expecting our federal government to be open and honest the biggest joke ever pulled on all of the American people is when Obama ran a campaign to get elected by saying he was going to be the most transparent President ever. What a joke. A sad twisted joke though on the citizens of this country.

This President and his administration have been the least transparent I can ever remember and I am pretty darned old with an astute memory. So much concerning this administration is always cloaked in darkness and secrecy. His transparency has been thick as mud.

Did they ever unseal all the documents in the Fast and Furious fiasco? I don't even know how they could have been sealed that evidence from the citizens anyway. The federal government works for the people and I suppose they forgot that or just don't care. It seems far more important to be secretive to cover up for someone rather than come out with the truth.

The only time we get a glimpse of just how bad it has been is when one of his appointed officials in different departments are no longer connected to him or his administration. Then they write a tell all book and most all of them put him in a very negative light. I think once he is no longer in power there will be more revealing books written about just what all went on during his eight years in office. No matter who has written books about their time at the WH pretty much of it is consistent and he is known as very narcissistic and he cant stand being told he is wrong. Some even implied he expected to be treat like royalty and he is never to be questioned so matter how stupid his thought processes may be.

We know he has had loads of very seasoned military officers advise him over and over again on how to fight Isis only for him to do it his way and his way isn't containing Isis nor is it destroying them no matter how many lies he tells. The CIA Director just the other day told congress that Isis grows stronger and is invading more and more countries. What else is also consistent with this President is he will come out and say something and it wont be but a few days before someone proves he was all wrong and just blatantly lied to the American people. He has done that many times about Isis and other terrorists who have struck here. He chastises the American people for being fearful of terrorist attacks yet they happen over and over again. He lies about the refugees being mostly women and children yet the news shows the mass of refugees and most of them aren't women and children at all but are healthy young male adults. He truly must think everyone in America is stupid except him.

He is not one who brings all people together. He is the worst divider we have ever had as President, imo.

I have read that he has many Muslims on his staff. Does anyone know what positions they hold? Would they be privy to confidential information concerning Muslim terrorists that the FBI or the CIA gathers information on? It just strikes me odd that the last two radical Muslim terror attacks all three were known to the FBI but the investigation was dropped. Have there been other Muslim terrorists who have murdered our people here who also had been on the radar of the FBI and was already known to them before the shootings? TIA

If you have a link/source for this maybe it will tell you what positions they hold and what their duties are.

Frankly I don't see why it would be a big deal to have Muslims on any staff at any level of government.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

What life is like for some Muslim fanilies because of the hatred they receive. Sad. Death threats.

http://m.startribune.com/fear-stalks-minnesota-muslims-as-anti-islam-feeling-builds/383809081/

June 22, 2016

And then some aren't afraid at all but are emboldened and they are the ones who threatens.

Muslim couple in Arkansas arrested for alleged series of violent threats, months after claiming discrimination

The Crawfords claimed they were kicked out of a shopping center simply for being Muslims dressed in a thobe and hijab. But police said shoppers became suspicious after the couple threatened customers and appeared to be walking around filming the area.

On the way out, Daphne Crawford allegedly told the waitress: “People like you are the reason we kill.”

After that confrontation, the Crawfords made several social media posts threatening violence and showing weapons, according to the affidavit.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...sted-alleged-series-threats-article-1.2679518

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If you have a link/source for this maybe it will tell you what positions they hold and what their duties are.

Frankly I don't see why it would be a big deal to have Muslims on any staff at any level of government.

If Steelman doesn't know the answer to what position they hold I will try to find a link. I have read for several years that he has Muslims in his administration but I am not sure I have ever read what specific positions they hold. If Steelman doesn't answer another poster here may already know the answer and will post it..

Either way, I will give Steelman time to answer my post.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Here is another time a claim was made by a Muslim which was totally a lie.

Muslim UTA student's claim of aggravated assault with a weapon was fabricated

Sharif claimed the truck followed her for six miles until she parked, and then blocked her in by parking behind her.
She then stated a man got out of the truck, approached her vehicle and screamed “watch the ****** out, we’re killing all of you.”
She also said the man pointed a gun straight at her.
“I have felt no closer to death before,” Sharif stated in her post. “I also closed my eyes and said Laa ilaha ill Allah, Mohammudur Rasool Ullah.
“He could have very easily put a bullet straight in my face. He could have very easily killed me.”

But a statement released by UT Arlington Friday afternoon says the entire incident was false and that it never happened, nor was Sharif even on campus that day.

“In follow-up interviews today, the student said the confrontation did not occur,” according to the statement.

http://www.arlingtonvoice.com/crime...-students-claim-aggravated-assault-weapon-was

 

[bluesneakers]

If Steelman doesn't know the answer to what position they hold I will try to find a link. I have read for several years that he has Muslims in his administration but I am not sure I have ever read what specific positions they hold. If Steelman doesn't answer another poster here may already know the answer and will post it..

Either way, I will give Steelman time to answer my post.

Here are a few links to get you started:


Muslim Government in the U.S.
Rumor: Many Muslims hold high-level positions in the Obama administration and pose a threat to the safety of the U.S.

Central Islamist Agency
Unsubstantiated rumor claims CIA director John Brennan is a Muslim who converted to Islam while stationed in Saudi Arabia.
UNPROVEN

Origins: On 8 March 2013, John Brennan was sworn in as CIA Director. He was nominated by President Barack Obama on 7 January 2013, and in February of that year a rumor began to circulate about Brennan's purported conversion to Islam while he was stationed in Saudi Arabia in the 1990s.

Statement by Secretary Napolitano on President Obama's Intent to Nominate David Heyman as Assistant Secretary for Policy and her Appointment of Arif Alikhan as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development

Before serving as Deputy Mayor, Alikhan was a career prosecutor with the U.S. Department of Justice from 1997-2006. During that time, he served as Chief of the Cyber and Intellectual Crimes Section for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles and as a Senior Advisor to the U.S. Attorney General in Washington, D.C., where he oversaw the national Computer Hacking and Intellectual Property Program for the Department of Justice. Alikhan holds a J.D. from Loyola Law School and a B.A. from the University of California, Irvine.

But again... Muslims aren't our enemy. Freedom of religion is guaranteed in our Constitution. Why shouldn't they be eligible for jobs and positions all Americans are eligible for?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Here are a few links to get you started:


Muslim Government in the U.S.
Rumor: Many Muslims hold high-level positions in the Obama administration and pose a threat to the safety of the U.S.

Central Islamist Agency
Unsubstantiated rumor claims CIA director John Brennan is a Muslim who converted to Islam while stationed in Saudi Arabia.
UNPROVEN


Statement by Secretary Napolitano on President Obama's Intent to Nominate David Heyman as Assistant Secretary for Policy and her Appointment of Arif Alikhan as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development


But again... Muslims aren't our enemy. Freedom of religion is guaranteed in our Constitution. Why shouldn't they be eligible for jobs and positions all Americans are eligible for?

Thank you so much for taking your own time to do this, Blue. I really appreciate it. After you asked I had planned to find the links myself after I prepared my dinner for tonight.

I am not saying any of the Muslims in the WH have done anything wrong. However; I do think it gives more of an opportunity to someone there to have a chance of being a mole who could give inside information to radical Muslims who may be under investigation.

As we know there has been so many scandals attached to this administration already in just about every department from total dismal failures/ineptness to criminal wrongdoing that isn't punished. People accepting drugs, guns and sex parties from drug dealers and it goes on and on and on. Someone should have gone to trial and to prison when they cooked the books in the VA and bald face lied. The woman in the IRS also should have been dismissed and charges brought. So honestly it doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy about others who may be up there who most likely aren't ethical either or who may be doing criminal acts that haven't been exposed yet.

I actually do think Lynch intentionally altered the partial transcript and changed the words purposefully to diminish Mateen's extreme radical Muslim views and I am not alone in that held opinion. All across the internet on other social sites thousands are accusing her of the same thing. FGS she is our AG. She of all people shouldn't stand up there and lie to save her own neck. When asked point blank about did she do it purposefully she evaded the question and said she wasn't going to talk about it. How convenient. Why not say? 'Absolutely not!!' but she didn't. She didn't want her words recorded denying it in case the evidence comes forward it was done purposefully. I do think there may be even hearings in congress on why it was changed to God instead of Allah.

It is things like this that leads to a lot of distrust the American people are having with this President and anyone in his administration. Personally, I get the feeling every time I hear him or Lynch speak I am being lied to, and sure enough, it wouldn't be long before their lies are outed.

IMO

 

[human]

I ask. If indeed there is some Muslim conspiracy re people in the govt., why would they ever feel safe? Someday they will not be in power. Why would anyone put themselves at risk?