I don't have any idea what you mean when you say 'what would it mean to you if the true claims exceeded the number of false claims?' What in the heck are you talking about? There are links like this for almost every subject known which are also linked quite often on WS. When posters links data to crimes I do not believe they are trying to keep in score but are just clarifying whatever subject matter is at hand. Those would be the facts. Why would I have a problem with those additional facts? If those had been listed on there too I would have listed the ones who had valid claims so I still have no clue what you mean.
Now that you mentioned it do you know if they keep up with crimes done against Muslims by others which were found to be hate crimes/assaults/murders? If so, I would be very interested in reading those facts too, and having them linked here.
Are you saying Muslims are somehow off limits and their false claims shouldn't ever be mentioned and only the legitimate claims should be?
They certainly are discussed when anyone else makes up lies and it makes the news so I fail to see why a certain faith or group of people should be excluded.
I am still quite confused by your post. I will certainly admit that.
No, not saying that I think discussing Islam should be off limits. Not at all.
I don't put much stock in wiki-lists at face value, regardless of whatever is being listed.
Just as I did not take the example of the Crawfords as an example of a Muslim false claim of discrimination at face value.
I became aware of them back when they first demonstrated their theatrics.
When they popped back up in the news, I exerted the time and energy to take a closer look at them as they had previously struck me as being "off."
What I found is what I think (IMO, JMO, MOO) is two people who are not motivated to do what they do (including their theatrical false claim of discrimination) because they claim the faith of Islam.
You responded to my post about the Crawfords with a wiki-list and here we are.
Meanwhile in another part of the cyber-universe, folks with an opposing point of view are compiling lists (wiki or otherwise) of their own.
Tit for tat and all that.
As far as lists of crimes committed against Muslims on this country, I don't know of any lists off-hand, but I do know that the ADL tracks crimes committed against persons because of their faith, including Islam.
Of course, entries on any lists they compile should be vetted for veracity with the same amount of energy one might expend on vetting wiki-lists.
Off-hand, I can offer two examples of violent crime committed against persons because of their Islamic faith, or a wrong perception thereof.
1. Waqar Hasan, Vasudev Patel, Rais Bhuiyan
The police and the Dallas County District Attorneys Office found Bhuiyan and took a number of statements. He remembers the prosecutor telling him not to have any contact at all with the defendant, Mark Stroman. Soon Stroman went to trial. It wasnt for the attack on Bhuiyan. Nor was it for the shooting of Waqar Hasan, a 46-year-old Pakistani immigrant, the crime Bhuiyan had read about in the newspaper a few days before his own encounter. Stroman was tried for the murder of 49-year-old Vasudev Patel, another gas station attendant shot with a .44 caliber pistol, whose killing was caught on tape. In his hunt, Stroman shot exactly zero Arabs. Patel was an Indian Buddhist.
Stromans was the first case brought under the states new hate crime legislationa reaction, in part, to the horrific dragging-death murder of James Byrd in Jasper. In court, Stroman was unrepentant, making obscene gestures at the victims families, claiming his rampage was revenge for a sister killed in the World Trade Centerthough there is no evidence said sister ever existed. Stromans trial was over quickly. The prosecutor asked Bhuiyan to testify at the sentencing, to tell the harrowing tale of the attack he survived. That, too, was over quickly. After a short deliberation, the jury sentenced Mark Stroman to death.
http://www.dmagazine.com/publicatio...ave-the-man-who-shot-him-in-the-face?single=1
2. The "domestic terrorist-type" attack on a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Six people were killed in that mass shooting; four were injured, including a police officer.
The FBI will investigate Sunday's rampage at a Sikh temple in a Milwaukee suburb as a "domestic terrorist-type incident" that left at least six people and the gunman dead, the town's police chief said.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/05/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/
J. M. Berger, an author and analyst on counterterrorism who runs the Intelwire Web site, said Mr. Page clearly had a history with the white supremacist movement. A song called Welcome to the South by Definite Hate, another band that Mr. Page played in and that Mr. Berger found online, refers to our race war and asks, What has happened to America/That was once so white and free? Mr. Berger said the lyrics and album art of Definite Hate echo the views and vocabulary of the Hammerskins, or Hammerskin Nation, a white supremacist group founded in Dallas in 1988.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/08/0...ntified-as-suspect-in-wisconsin-shooting.html
I suppose the Oak Creek "domestic terrorist-type" event could be categorized by some as a hate crime due to skin color of the victims rather than their faith that coincidentally occurred at a temple of their faith.
If so, strike them from whatever lists one is keeping and recalculate the score.
