FL - Terrorist Discussion/49 Killed in Orlando at Nightclub Pulse

[human]

Evangelicals rejecting anti Muslim hate

http://www.redletterchristians.org/evangelicals-reject-anti-muslim-hatred/

 

[tveyeonyou]

Hi Everyone,

Please do not post links/videos to sites that are not considered mainstream media. If we allow ********* and videos by Milo then we have to Allow Rosie and Rosanne.

That's why we have the rule. Mainstream media only unless pre-approved by management.

Thank you,
Tricia

Hi Tricia, I'm sorry I was unaware of that particular rule, I'm usually lurking at the Travis Alexander forum and meant no disrespect nor did I mean to intentionally break any rules.
Having lost people during the WTC 9/11 terrorist attack, terrorism is something that has directly touched my life. Aside from the links, everything else I said was JMO and MOO, not meant to cause trouble or break rules.
This is obviously an extremely volatile subject with strong opinions on all sides. I respect everyone else's right to express their opinions whether I agree with them or not and aside from the links I posted I was doing just that, stating my own opinion based on my own experience and loss. I apologize for breaking the rules and will be sure to go over them again before posting anything else.
Respectfully,
JP
:sorry:

 

[tangelo]

Respectfully, what do false claims have to do with anything? Violence against Muslims exists. Discrimination, hate, all of it. Muslims in America experience it through no fault of their own other than practicing a religion the majority of American citizens don't practice or understand. Do the false claims somehow justify the actual assaults, attacks, and incidents of harassment?

Do you think if a Muslim makes a false claim it justifies anything? Should all reports not be investigated?

Here are some real examples for you. I don't think 21 attention-seekers add anything meaningful to the discussion. JMO

American Muslims Under Attack





Mosques vandalized, set on fire, shot at, hate crimes, shootings, attacks, assaults. All very real.

no evidence any of those were motivated by anti muslim sentiment.

beyond assertions made by the perpetrators, which we can (should) ignore and then are able (required) to substitute our own pet conspiracy/advocacy/persecution theory for

 

[tangelo]

People hate people who are different than they are. I am sure plenty of nuts will keep hating people who are different. We seem to not deal well yet with bullying. Maybe someday all schools will be teaching kids to problem solve and to help them feel better about themselves inspite of what has happened to them at home or elsewhere.

they can hate us all day long who cares it's ingrained, nothing can be done about it, it's when they express their hatred by shooting dozens of us at a time, blowing up our people and buildings, beheading us, flying planes into skyscrapers, that their hatred requires severe action on our part.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Since we are discussing the terrorist attack by the radical Muslim, Omar Mateen, it got me interested in whether the FBI list terror attacks on their webpage and I found out they do. These are the ones where Americans were targeted.

However; it only goes up to 2013 and there have been more attacks since then. But here is the list the FBI classifies as terrorists or terrorist groups. Many I had forgotten about and some I haven't read about before. It does say recent information can be found in the National Counterterrorism Center’s calendar. It seems these were terrorists who have been either killed or convicted.

2013
◾Bin Laden Associate Abu Ghayth Charged | Conviction
◾Sentencing in Plot to Bomb New York Federal Reserve
◾Portland Christmas Plot Conviction | Sentencing
2012
◾Plot to Attack Seattle Military Processing Center: Abdul-Latif Sentencing | Mujahidh sentencing
◾Cleveland Bridge Plot Sentencing | 2013 Guilty Plea
◾El-Khalifi Sentencing for Capitol Bomb Plot
◾Daniel Patrick Boyd Sentencing
2011
◾Bin Laden Killed
2010
◾New York Terror Plot Convictions
◾Faisal Shahzad: Guilty Plea | Sentencing
◾Smadi: Guilty Plea | Sentencing
◾Najibullah Zazi:
◾Khalid Ouazzani: Guilty Plea
2009
◾ Liberty Six Convictions
◾Kassir Material Support Conviction
◾Ali Al-Marri: Guilty plea
2008
◾Holy Land Foundation
◾Hassan Abu-Jihaad
◾Jose Padilla
◾Torrance Plot: Story | Sentencing
2007
◾Derrick Shareef
◾Fort Dix Plot
◾Hamid Hayat
◾New York Airport Fuel Tanks Plot
2006
◾Operation Backfire
◾International Drug-for-Weapons Program
◾Sami al-Arian
◾Operation ‘White Terror’
◾Ahmed Omar Abu Ali
◾Ali Asad Chandia and Mohammed Ajmal Khan
◾Gale Nettles,
◾Uzair Paracha
2004
◾Abdurahman Alamoudi: Story | Press release
◾Matthew Hale
◾Operation Pop Concert
2003
◾Earnest James Ujaama
◾Iyman Faris
◾Hamant Lakhani: Story | Press release
◾Maher Hawash
◾Portland Seven
2002
◾Beltway Snipers: Part 1 | Part 2
2000-2001
◾9/11 Investigation
◾Anthrax/Amerithrax
◾Richard Reid -shoe bomber
◾USS Cole bombing
1990s
◾1993 World Trade Center Bombing
◾East African Embassy Bombings
◾Eric Rudolph: Part 1 | Part 2
◾Millennium Plot/Ahmed Ressam
◾Oklahoma City Bombing
◾The Unabomber
1980s
◾Fawaz Younis: The Yachted Terrorist
◾Judge Vance Mail Bomb Murder
◾Pan Am 103
◾ TWA Flight 847
1970s
◾Symbionese Liberation Army
◾Weather Underground

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism_cases

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Here is the other link.

https://www.nctc.gov/calendar.html

 

[human]

Since we are discussing the terrorist attack by the radical Muslim, Omar Mateen, it got me interested in whether the FBI list terror attacks on their webpage and I found out they do. These are the ones where Americans were targeted.

However; it only goes up to 2013 and there have been more attacks since then. But here is the list the FBI classifies as terrorists or terrorist groups. Many I had forgotten about and some I haven't read about before. It does say recent information can be found in the National Counterterrorism Center’s calendar. It seems these were terrorists who have been either killed or convicted.

2013
◾Bin Laden Associate Abu Ghayth Charged | Conviction
◾Sentencing in Plot to Bomb New York Federal Reserve
◾Portland Christmas Plot Conviction | Sentencing
2012
◾Plot to Attack Seattle Military Processing Center: Abdul-Latif Sentencing | Mujahidh sentencing
◾Cleveland Bridge Plot Sentencing | 2013 Guilty Plea
◾El-Khalifi Sentencing for Capitol Bomb Plot
◾Daniel Patrick Boyd Sentencing
2011
◾Bin Laden Killed
2010
◾New York Terror Plot Convictions
◾Faisal Shahzad: Guilty Plea | Sentencing
◾Smadi: Guilty Plea | Sentencing
◾Najibullah Zazi:
◾Khalid Ouazzani: Guilty Plea
2009
◾ Liberty Six Convictions
◾Kassir Material Support Conviction
◾Ali Al-Marri: Guilty plea
2008
◾Holy Land Foundation
◾Hassan Abu-Jihaad
◾Jose Padilla
◾Torrance Plot: Story | Sentencing
2007
◾Derrick Shareef
◾Fort Dix Plot
◾Hamid Hayat
◾New York Airport Fuel Tanks Plot
2006
◾Operation Backfire
◾International Drug-for-Weapons Program
◾Sami al-Arian
◾Operation ‘White Terror’
◾Ahmed Omar Abu Ali
◾Ali Asad Chandia and Mohammed Ajmal Khan
◾Gale Nettles,
◾Uzair Paracha
2004
◾Abdurahman Alamoudi: Story | Press release
◾Matthew Hale
◾Operation Pop Concert
2003
◾Earnest James Ujaama
◾Iyman Faris
◾Hamant Lakhani: Story | Press release
◾Maher Hawash
◾Portland Seven
2002
◾Beltway Snipers: Part 1 | Part 2
2000-2001
◾9/11 Investigation
◾Anthrax/Amerithrax
◾Richard Reid -shoe bomber
◾USS Cole bombing
1990s
◾1993 World Trade Center Bombing
◾East African Embassy Bombings
◾Eric Rudolph: Part 1 | Part 2
◾Millennium Plot/Ahmed Ressam
◾Oklahoma City Bombing
◾The Unabomber
1980s
◾Fawaz Younis: The Yachted Terrorist
◾Judge Vance Mail Bomb Murder
◾Pan Am 103
◾ TWA Flight 847
1970s
◾Symbionese Liberation Army
◾Weather Underground

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism_cases

Seems like since Obama, they have done a good job, Got bin Laden and stopped and convicted others.

The lone wolf is a tough one. Maybe browsing of ISIL and other sites will be a good flag. There sure are a lot of terrorist groups

 

[sonjay]

Seems like since Obama, they have done a good job, Got bin Laden and stopped and convicted others.

The lone wolf is a tough one. Maybe browsing of ISIL and other sites will be a good flag. There sure are a lot of terrorist groups

Or maybe they just stopped reporting them as terrorist attacks. Call them workplace violence.

 

[Everyday Grace]

The shooting rampage at a nightclub in Orlando, Fla., has focused new attention on the vast but murky terror watch lists that the government has used with mixed results to identify potential security threats.

Under guidelines for the biggest of the terror lists, known as TIDE, or Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, those placed on the list are “known or appropriately suspected” of being involved in terrorist activity. Of the 1.5 million names on the TIDE list, residents of the United States account for only about 15,000.

In one of the most recent internal reviews of the watch list system, the Justice Department inspector general found in a 2014 report that improvements in the F.B.I.’s watch list system had made it “more complete, accurate and current” after problems in getting people on and off the list.

Earlier reviews found that as many as 15 percent of suspects in active terrorism investigations were not on the F.B.I. watch list, and that other people were improperly kept on it even after investigations into their suspected terrorism ties were closed. Both these problems appeared to have been significantly reduced or eliminated by the time of the 2014 review.

Counterterrorism officials have described the watch lists as a cornerstone of their efforts to detect possible terrorists before they can strike. But the watch lists’ effectiveness has been spotty.

Always more at the link:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/2...ch-lists.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

DOJ IG reports can be found here:
https://oig.justice.gov/reports/

 

[human]

Or maybe they just stopped reporting them as terrorist attacks. Call them workplace violence.

And some are not workplace violence? Like which ones?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Or maybe they just stopped reporting them as terrorist attacks. Call them workplace violence.

There are still so many Muslim terrorists out there right this very moment either murdering or plotting out plans to murder so many in so many countries. It is the ones unknown that scares me the most and its logical they are here just like Mateen was here.

I was reading the information on the National Counterterrorism Calendar webpage and the lists go on for what seems like forever. Many still wanted with high reward amounts for their capture.

It is absolutely unbelievable that these Islamic terrorist groups all have one thing in common and that is they are the worst terrorists this world has seen in recent memory. It doesn't matter which Islamic terrorist group they belong to for they are all the same. Their savagery is diabolical in how they seem to love barbaric torture even to small children. They have to be psychopaths without one ounce of compassion for anyone who doesn't believe exactly the way they believe. It is hard to imagine even one group feeding off of such sadist actions but to know there are many Muslim radical groups out there who do the same and think the same is so terrifying.

I read list after list how they have done such unbelievable damage and devastation to so many. I couldn't even count how many people have died from being murdered in so many countries, including ours.. by Muslim extremists when I was reading on that site. I wonder how many they have murdered across the world in total in the 21st century alone? They are fanatical killing machines.

Its astounding to me how there are different groups of these Muslim extremists yet they are all alike in many ways and do the same horrific things based on their religious faith.

If we do not step up the pace and fight with everything we have to completely eradicate these POSs then the ones murdering else where in the world every single day will come here one day again for another 911 or they will talk another homegrown Muslim radical like Omar Mateen and others into do their dirty work for them. For all we know there could be sleeper cells right now in our country.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

And some are not workplace violence? Like which ones?

One that is not listed as Islamic terrorism which certainly should be and that is Major Hasan at Ft Hood who was a radicalized Muslim who had even communicated with a Muslim terrorist cleric who called for deaths of the American infidels..

 

[oceanblueeyes]

And some are not workplace violence? Like which ones?

Most of the ones listed on the FBI page were not workplace violence but were done by Muslim terrorists.

 

[human]

One that is not listed as Islamic terrorism which certainly should be and that is Major Hasan at Ft Hood who was a radicalized Muslim who had even communicated with a Muslim terrorist cleric who called for deaths of the American infidels..

Don't remember the year. Maybe it was after your first list.

 

[CARIIS]

QUOTE=oceanblueeyes;12655427]One that is not listed as Islamic terrorism which certainly should be and that is Major Hasan at Ft Hood who was a radicalized Muslim who had even communicated with a Muslim terrorist cleric who called for deaths of the American infidels..[/QUOTE]

He also, is not an ISIS terrorist he was so mentally ill....

Just reporting the facts:

Starting in the spring of 2008, key officials from Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences held a series of meetings and conversations,.... about Maj. Nidal Hasan, One of the questions they pondered: Was Hasan psychotic?
...................serious concerns that officials raised about Hasan during his time at both institutions.
other mental health professionals who train and work at the institutions.
military psychiatrists and officials who worked closely with Hasan, Hood shootings.



Deeply Troubling, Schizoid Behavior
items on their agenda was: What should we do about Hasan?
Both fellow students and faculty were deeply troubled by Hasan's behavior — which they variously called disconnected, aloof, paranoid, belligerent, and schizoid.

Here are the folks that had serious concerns about his sanity:
John Bradley, chief of psychiatry at Walter Reed;
Robert Ursano, chairman of the Psychiatry Department at USUHS;
Charles Engel, assistant chair of the Psychiatry Department and director of Hasan's psychiatry fellowship;
Dr. David Benedek, another assistant chairman of psychiatry at USUHS;

psychiatrist Carroll J. Diebold; and Scott Moran, director of the psychiatric residency program at Walter Reed,
Hasan was mentally unstable and unfit to be an Army psychiatrist?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120313570

 

[CARIIS]

they can hate us all day long who cares it's ingrained, nothing can be done about it, it's when they express their hatred by shooting dozens of us at a time, blowing up our people and buildings, beheading us, flying planes into skyscrapers, that their hatred requires severe action on our part.

IMO we should focus on the problem that is far more serious..[h=1]According to Newsweek[/h]

[FONT=&quot]RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS ARE A BIGGER THREAT TO AMERICA THAN ISIS

[/FONT]​

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/...ger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html

 

[bluesneakers]

IMO we should focus on the problem that is far more serious..[h=1]According to Newsweek[/h]

[FONT=&quot]RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS ARE A BIGGER THREAT TO AMERICA THAN ISIS

[/FONT]​

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/...ger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html

Oh wow - I'd forgotten about Jade Helm.

Meanwhile, the right-wing extremists continue their plotting against America.

Yet most of them would insist they are trying to save America.

 

[human]

Oh wow - I'd forgotten about Jade Helm.



Yet most of them would insist they are trying to save America.

Yup. For their own entitled selves.

 

[katydid23]

And some are not workplace violence? Like which ones?

Fort Hood, for one big example.

 

[katydid23]

QUOTE=oceanblueeyes;12655427]One that is not listed as Islamic terrorism which certainly should be and that is Major Hasan at Ft Hood who was a radicalized Muslim who had even communicated with a Muslim terrorist cleric who called for deaths of the American infidels..

He also, is not an ISIS terrorist he was so mentally ill....

I don't understand how one can say that he was 'not a terrorist' because he was mentally ill. Are they mutually exclusive? Could he be mentally ill AND be a radical Islamic extremist?