BBM. I can't find any info on this, but does Florida drug-test people whose "one-time lapse of judgment" results in the death of a child in their care?The FL Attorney's Office declined to bring charges in the first grandchild's death... wow!
According to The Daily Mail, police attempted to pursue charges against Nix for Ezra’s death, but the State Attorney’s Office declined to bring charges.
Trial underway for Florida grandmother after grandchild dies in her care
A Florida grandmother’s trial starts Monday after two of her grandchildren died while allegedly in her care.www.newsnationnow.com
1/14/2025
According to DM article:
Police had attempted to file charges against Nix at the time, but the Florida Attorney's Office 'stated that a one-time lapse of judgment would not establish culpable negligence of the caretaker.'
FL - Tracey Nix, two of her grandchildren died in her care in separate incidents (7mo in hot car Nov '22 & 16mo drowned Dec '21)
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I'd love to know what was on the menu at that lunch (drinks-wise).
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I believe it was Judy Terell that confirmed they were drinking water.
One of the ladies from the luncheon that testified at the trial was asked that question under oath and answered "Water." It seemed they all were drinking water according to her. You can watch the video I posted. (see above)
i simply don't understand why they don't. I heard no mention of drinking at lunch but what about all the prescription meds in Tracey if stories are accurate about that.
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I just want to say I think most people here feel great sympathy for the parents of the two children, and actually the whole family because these tragic events are just gut wrenching and were not intentional. People here are just sharing their own parental decisions they likely would've made.
With all due respect, @Lilibet, can I ask where you are getting the idea anybody put pressure on her to do more than forgive? Are you saying someone put pressure on her to trust again and leave another child there, or pressured to go to the hair salon and leave her child with her mother? Who do you think was pressuring her? I can't imagine someone pushing her to do that under the circumstances.
I've kind of wondered if Tracey was the one being pressured to babysit more often than she felt comfortable with, and didn't know how to say no. MOO, from hearing daughter speak out, it doesn't sound like she could be easily convinced or pressured. If it was the case, I'm so sorry she didn't go with her motherly instincts or warning signs she observed, and not take the chance.
With all due respect, @Lilibet, can I ask where you are getting the idea anybody put pressure on her to do more than forgive? Are you saying someone put pressure on her to trust again and leave another child there, or pressured to go to the hair salon and leave her child with her mother? Who do you think was pressuring her? I can't imagine someone pushing her to do that under the circumstances.
I've kind of wondered if Tracey was the one being pressured to babysit more often than she felt comfortable with, and didn't know how to say no. MOO, from hearing daughter speak out, it doesn't sound like she could be easily convinced or pressured. If it was the case, I'm so sorry she didn't go with her motherly instincts or warning signs she observed, and not take the chance.
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But in court Fletcher framed the tragedy as an accident, begging jurors on Wednesday to not 'make this terrible situation worse by convicting Tracey Nix of something that she's not guilty of.'
He also noted in his opening statements that Tracey was a former teacher, principal and a church member, whom he said, 'just made a mistake.'
Fletcher now plans to use expert testimony that could not be brought up at this trial that states Nix was taking double to dose of Ambien than she was prescribed when she watched Uriel that day.
'She's very well-known and well-respected, and it was the medication really,' he insisted to Fox 13.
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I'm wondering if the medication TN was using wasn't causing memory problems? Zolpidem/Ambien can have that side effect especially in older adults.JMO
He also noted in his opening statements that Tracey was a former teacher, principal and a church member, whom he said, 'just made a mistake.'
Fletcher now plans to use expert testimony that could not be brought up at this trial that states Nix was taking double to dose of Ambien than she was prescribed when she watched Uriel that day.
'She's very well-known and well-respected, and it was the medication really,' he insisted to Fox 13.
Mother's gut-wrenching reaction as 'killer' is found not guilty
Kaila Nix was left with mixed emotions after a jury ruled that her mother, Tracey Nix, 67, was not guilty of manslaughter in her infant daughter's November 2022 death.
I'm wondering if the medication TN was using wasn't causing memory problems? Zolpidem/Ambien can have that side effect especially in older adults.JMO
I think it's likely because the arrests is these cases are not instantaneous.
I don't want to speak for someone else but I took that comment as Tracey was the one maybe pressured but maybe I'm wrong.
In an earlier post I said i work with adults who expect their parent's or in-law's to do child care while they work however I didn't add that i also know adults who feel pressured by their children to babysit their grandchildren. Even a lovely woman who just retired at 70, has some mobility issues, a broken arm from a fall currently, and is babysitting a toddler more than full time... I find that very sad.
Again though we don't even know the truth here.
I really think the drugs and interactions of drugs was the cause for her behavior. Even thinking that she took it and is responsible for her behavior. I agree with verdict.But in court Fletcher framed the tragedy as an accident, begging jurors on Wednesday to not 'make this terrible situation worse by convicting Tracey Nix of something that she's not guilty of.'
He also noted in his opening statements that Tracey was a former teacher, principal and a church member, whom he said, 'just made a mistake.'
Fletcher now plans to use expert testimony that could not be brought up at this trial that states Nix was taking double to dose of Ambien than she was prescribed when she watched Uriel that day.
'She's very well-known and well-respected, and it was the medication really,' he insisted to Fox 13.
Mother's gut-wrenching reaction as 'killer' is found not guilty
Kaila Nix was left with mixed emotions after a jury ruled that her mother, Tracey Nix, 67, was not guilty of manslaughter in her infant daughter's November 2022 death.
I'm wondering if the medication TN was using wasn't causing memory problems? Zolpidem/Ambien can have that side effect especially in older adults.JMO
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It's really difficult for me to come to any kind of penalty for TN as the entire situation is just so heartbreaking and terrible. I have seen comments that she was let go from her school principal position but no explanation as to why. Was she not performing up to par? Add in the medications she was taking and it seems to me to be a disaster in the making. I had a close relative(in his 60's) that used ambien the night before only to find himself in the driver's seat of his car the next day with no recollection of how he got there, and it wasn't the first thing in morning either. He had other strange stories as well. All I have is questions. Such as did her husband or children notice anything about her that would cause concern? There might have been subtle signs. One thing does bother me though and that is after losing one child while your elderly mother is babysitting, why would you leave yet another child with her?
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Was Tracey taking any of those prescriptions before she stopped working? Was she was terminated, about 3 yrs. ago, from her teaching position possibly due to forgetfulness and possible mix-ups in her student's assignments? Is that correct and was it brought up pre-trial or at trial? Was she taking the Rx medications back then?
I didn't get to follow this case or watch the whole trial from start to finish like I normally would. From what I can tell, the details of Tracey's condition, if she has a diagnosed condition, was not brought out at trial. Or an undiagnosed mental decline was not either.
It seems just down to her taking prescribed medications that some experts like the geriatric psychiatrist thought were not the kind or amount that should be prescribed to an aging patient. In recent years, doctors are usually careful to not prescribe heavy sleeping pills to aging patients.
I didn't get to follow this case or watch the whole trial from start to finish like I normally would. From what I can tell, the details of Tracey's condition, if she has a diagnosed condition, was not brought out at trial. Or an undiagnosed mental decline was not either.
It seems just down to her taking prescribed medications that some experts like the geriatric psychiatrist thought were not the kind or amount that should be prescribed to an aging patient. In recent years, doctors are usually careful to not prescribe heavy sleeping pills to aging patients.
Okay, you heard those things, too, about her being terminated from her teaching position. I heard due to something to do having some kind of problem with mental clarity. Not sure she was still a principal at that time. I want to find a link to this info if possible. This would be important, and I'd like to confirm if it's on record.
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Just so you know, even though I'm still asking questions--
I accept the Jury's verdict and that Tracey must serve time for "culpable negligence". Just hard to grasp.
The first tragic event happened Dec. 2021 and then the second happened Nov. 2022. Tracey must've been taking those sleeping pills back in 2021 then? Was she sleeping when her husband told her he was leaving to run an errand? Was she half asleep maybe on medication when he left? MOO, it seems her Rx medication would've been brought to the whole family's attention back then as a concern. Her dr. should've been highly concerned about the Rx's and adjusted them. JMO here, but I wouldn't want her driving my children after learning she's on some Rx's that causes drowsiness. It's a wonder she didn't have a car accident with one of the grandkids in the car.
What I don't understand is why she has been blamed for both, but not charged for one. I need some real facts and the complete story. Why wasn't more brought out rather than media being allowed to claim "tragedy struck not once, but twice. Both of her grandchildren died while under her care."
I accept the Jury's verdict and that Tracey must serve time for "culpable negligence". Just hard to grasp.
The first tragic event happened Dec. 2021 and then the second happened Nov. 2022. Tracey must've been taking those sleeping pills back in 2021 then? Was she sleeping when her husband told her he was leaving to run an errand? Was she half asleep maybe on medication when he left? MOO, it seems her Rx medication would've been brought to the whole family's attention back then as a concern. Her dr. should've been highly concerned about the Rx's and adjusted them. JMO here, but I wouldn't want her driving my children after learning she's on some Rx's that causes drowsiness. It's a wonder she didn't have a car accident with one of the grandkids in the car.
What I don't understand is why she has been blamed for both, but not charged for one. I need some real facts and the complete story. Why wasn't more brought out rather than media being allowed to claim "tragedy struck not once, but twice. Both of her grandchildren died while under her care."
Published March 31, 2023
Wauchula woman arrested in granddaughter’s death after 2021 death of grandson
She was a teacher, principal and a grandmother, but for Tracey Nix, tragedy struck not once, but twice. Both of her grandchildren died while under her care.
His grandfather had gone to Walmart, and at the time, his grandmother Tracey Nix had fallen asleep.
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Host says many people feel unsatisfied with the verdict, and the understanding how it happened. Detective Alice Fletcher does seem to think it was mainly forgetfulness.
Detective Fletcher was asked questions about the first event and why Tracey carries the burden of being blamed. That event may be investigated again and more closely in the future.
Detective Fletcher was asked questions about the first event and why Tracey carries the burden of being blamed. That event may be investigated again and more closely in the future.
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Emotional Reactions to Tracey Nix’s Verdict
Julie Grant’s top story examines the emotional backlash caused by the tragedy of Baby Uriel and the outcome of Tracey Nix's trial.
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Tracey Nix & Separation from School Employment? Did Family Know Why?
Sorry if this has all been discussed on thread, but IDK if TN was term'ed from public school district where TN had taught & served as principal for ~ 25 or 30 yrs. TN may have resigned voluntarily (or under pressure re her performance, IDK) & at that age & yrs of service, a vol. resignation would not be unexpected.
But seems imo THIS WIT. at bond hearing was not referring to school district. At p. 30, witness refers to "my little school" (sounds like a very small private school) & said TN worked there for about one year.
Finally, my point --- is it possible that when TN was term'ed from the little school, that she did not tell her husband or anyone at all about the TERMINATION? Maybe TN told husband, fam, friends that she resigned?
Seems poss to me, if a person tells spouse (and/or others), I was fired, here's why, or see this letter, that spouse & close relatives might assign more SIGNIFICANCE to that persons memory issues --- whether caused by certain Rx(es) or from dementia or other. And would have so alarmed as to prompt, encourage, or pressure that person to seek further diagnosis or different treatment. And even IF they did so, that person may simply refuse.
NOT victim blaming. IDK whether those tragic deaths would have been prevented w (further) medical treatment and have doubts about anyone can definitively say so. Just saying, there may be reasons why TN's spouse & others may have felt comfortable w TN's baby-tending, including even after the first death.
If I am confused on time line, pls feel free to correct or comment. Have not read/watched all the coverage.
Made a few edits to clarify.
@arielilane TYVM for transcript (about 5 pages of it) from bond hearing, in which a witness described the termination letter ---(about 3 yr before hearing)---she wrote to TN & convo's she had w TN about the same time--- about lack of clarity, forgetfulness, failure to follow thru, etc. Said TN said, yes, she-TN "had noticed some things." Witness said she asked TN about whether she was on MEDICATION, etc.
Sorry if this has all been discussed on thread, but IDK if TN was term'ed from public school district where TN had taught & served as principal for ~ 25 or 30 yrs. TN may have resigned voluntarily (or under pressure re her performance, IDK) & at that age & yrs of service, a vol. resignation would not be unexpected.
But seems imo THIS WIT. at bond hearing was not referring to school district. At p. 30, witness refers to "my little school" (sounds like a very small private school) & said TN worked there for about one year.
Finally, my point --- is it possible that when TN was term'ed from the little school, that she did not tell her husband or anyone at all about the TERMINATION? Maybe TN told husband, fam, friends that she resigned?
Seems poss to me, if a person tells spouse (and/or others), I was fired, here's why, or see this letter, that spouse & close relatives might assign more SIGNIFICANCE to that persons memory issues --- whether caused by certain Rx(es) or from dementia or other. And would have so alarmed as to prompt, encourage, or pressure that person to seek further diagnosis or different treatment. And even IF they did so, that person may simply refuse.
NOT victim blaming. IDK whether those tragic deaths would have been prevented w (further) medical treatment and have doubts about anyone can definitively say so. Just saying, there may be reasons why TN's spouse & others may have felt comfortable w TN's baby-tending, including even after the first death.
If I am confused on time line, pls feel free to correct or comment. Have not read/watched all the coverage.
Made a few edits to clarify.
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Thank You, @al66pine. Talk about forgetfulness,
I forgot where I had read this info. Thanks to @arielilane for posting these. I attempted to make them bigger, so my old eyes could read it better.
From @arielilane's quoted post above:
I forgot where I had read this info. Thanks to @arielilane for posting these. I attempted to make them bigger, so my old eyes could read it better.
From @arielilane's quoted post above:
As I said in the post you partially quoted, @Curious Me, it was simply a theory based on a website I’m familiar with where people describe the intense pressure family and friends put on them in certain circumstances, inappropriately. I wasn’t suggesting that anyone in particular was pressuring Kaila and her husband to allow her mother to babysit, just that it could have happened because it does. I know nothing more than you do about the babysitting.
Kaila and her husband are victims in this case. I prefer to consider a variety of reasons why Kaila and her husband allowed Tracey to babysit. If they ignored their motherly and fatherly instincts for any reason, I’m sure that will leave them with deep regrets and guilt for the rest of their lives.
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Yes. Yes. Yes.
Isn't @arielilane the BEST at capturing & linking items we need days later?
And TYVM @Curious Me
for enlarging the pages that @arielilane linked.
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Since Kaila’s reasoning for allowing her mother to watch Uriel is being questioned, I went back to the beginning of the thread where two articles discuss this. She doesn’t mention pressure from others, which I brought up earlier as a possible theory. I think the reason she states in the second article is very human and understandable, even if we might not feel the same way. She is a victim on Websleuths whether we agree with her reasoning or not.
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She knew her mother had lunch plans with friends and said she trusted them, as she rarely allowed her daughter to be unsupervised with Nix.
'Uri was at a restaurant with other people that I knew and trusted, they were in the friend group and were keeping her safe, and I had supervised many, many, many interactions at this point at my house,' she told WSVN.
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Kaila and Drew said that after Ezra's death, they "didn't trust (Tracey) at all." And would never let their 4-year-old firstborn child go to their grandparent's home.
"We were anxious, but I loved my mother and I am a daughter that wanted her mom in her life in some capacity, and in that moment, I thought that I could believe in second chances," Kaila said. "When I was told that Ezra’s death was an accident, some sliver child part of me, thought, ‘Ok good, I get to keep this mom. This grandmother. This person.'"
Kaila and Drew were protective.
"The very minor amount of time that she saw my daughter was almost always supervised," Kaila said of her mom.
On Uriel's last day, Kaila said she knew her mom's plans.
"Uri was at a restaurant with other people that I knew and trusted, they were in the friend group and were keeping her safe, and I had supervised many, many, many interactions that this point at my house," Kaila said.
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Daughter says mom should go to jail after her two toddlers died
Kaila Schock has tearfully requested her own mother go to prison over the death of her children Ezra, 16 months, and Uriel, seven months, who both died in her care.
She knew her mother had lunch plans with friends and said she trusted them, as she rarely allowed her daughter to be unsupervised with Nix.
'Uri was at a restaurant with other people that I knew and trusted, they were in the friend group and were keeping her safe, and I had supervised many, many, many interactions at this point at my house,' she told WSVN.
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Toddler drowns, infant left in hot car less than a year apart at grandma’s house
One family. Two kids. Their deaths — both while in their grandmother Tracey's care. Hardee County grandmother charged after forgetting infant in a hot car.
www.abcactionnews.com
Kaila and Drew said that after Ezra's death, they "didn't trust (Tracey) at all." And would never let their 4-year-old firstborn child go to their grandparent's home.
"We were anxious, but I loved my mother and I am a daughter that wanted her mom in her life in some capacity, and in that moment, I thought that I could believe in second chances," Kaila said. "When I was told that Ezra’s death was an accident, some sliver child part of me, thought, ‘Ok good, I get to keep this mom. This grandmother. This person.'"
Kaila and Drew were protective.
"The very minor amount of time that she saw my daughter was almost always supervised," Kaila said of her mom.
On Uriel's last day, Kaila said she knew her mom's plans.
"Uri was at a restaurant with other people that I knew and trusted, they were in the friend group and were keeping her safe, and I had supervised many, many, many interactions that this point at my house," Kaila said.
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According to the Grandfather's court testimony he stated TN watched her granddaughter 2 to 5 times a week. He went on to explain that he would often pick up the child from her parents work location and take her to his house for TN to babysit.
No, I was not implying that anyone pressured Tracey. I was referring to families who pressure a family member to do something they don’t want to do, like forgive a family member who has wronged them. This was hypothetical, not saying this happened to Kaila regarding letting Tracey babysit.
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